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Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
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So we're only allowed to consume sad news during this time? No fun distractions allowed? Are you currently posting in this forum to ensure we all keep the proper perspective? Good work keeping up the negative tone. Exactly what we needed.
To everyone saying this is going to be $600-700, keep in mind the APU in this is actually slightly smaller than the APU in X1X and thus about the same cost to produce as that was at launch. 7nm is pretty mature with good yields by now. Also they're only using 10 GDDR chips now vs 12 in the X1X. So probably a bit higher for GDDR6 but then a bit lower with two less chips. So I'm guessing same cost there as well. As for the NVMe, I'm betting it's only PCIe 3.0 like AMD's 4000 series laptop chips in order to save power. The 2.8GB/s speed would indicate PCIe 3.0 as well. That makes the controller for the NVMe cheaper. Plus they can expect to make more money from people buying expansion cards and thus can take a little more of a hit on the console itself.
I'm saying it's going to be $499. $599 at most.
I'm saying it's going to be $499. $599 at most.
I am not talking prices, but system specs. There were people that were throwing numbers like 12TF way before Microsoft ever went to TGA. For someone to come in and state that the specs were just above 12TF for me does nothing.
I said it before on the speculation thread; if you have information that you are not comfortable sharing, just keep quiet. Do not go into vague stuff.
TF's numbers were accurate to two decimal places. No one else made claims that specific and was right.
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Card RTX-OPS
RTX 2060 37T
RTX 2060 Super 41T
RTX 2070 45T
RTX 2070 Super 52T
RTX 2080 60T
RTX 2080 Super 63T
RTX 2080 Ti 78T
Titan RTX 84TSounds like that's it settled then!
The reality is that comparing FP32 performance across AMD and NVIDIA cards, or even across different generation of cards from the same manufacturer, does not translate directly to game performance.
What this comparison does suggest to me though, is that AMD's RT hardware may be quite a bit weaker than NVIDIA's. But I believe NVIDIA also include the tensor cores in their "RTX-OPS" calculation which AMD lacks an equivalent to.
In short: we don't know until the hardware is actually out and comparisons are done. Anything else is blind speculation.
1 vs 7.
That's how Zen works. The CPUs are built from CCXes which are clusters of four cores.
The configuration of those can differ depending on how many cores a CPU has, and failed CCXes can be repurposed; e.g. two CCXes where 3/4 cores work can be used to build a 6-core CPU. It's how costs of high core count CPUs can be significantly lower than comparable products from Intel.
Again: how can they have "usage data" for gyro aiming when none of their devices have it.
That "data" would be that nobody uses it on Xbox, because it was never an option to begin with.
No. They're holding back progress for another generation. Gyro aiming is like mouse aiming. It's a significant improvement over dual-analog.
Only if you're using it, and not by much.
People often bring up battery life or cost concerns, but the Steam Controller was the most advanced controller this generation, cost the least, and had the best battery life while running off a pair of AA batteries. It's not an issue.
On the contrary, look at new concurrent users online in all gaming services. The reality is everyone is home, online, and has nothing better to do. Releasing news at this time actually gives them more coverage considering the amount of people trying to kill time while staying home.
Also, GDC online conferences, better release all your info now so you can openly talk about the platform afterwards, and it also means that by MS' E3 online showcase, they'll be able to only focus on games.
Microsoft is much better when it comes to regional pricing than Sony will ever be. Also, keep in mind that Nordisk Film seem to have some crazy agreement with Sony over PlayStation. I have no idea why Sony still works with them. I would assume that a $599 price tag would be 6495:- or so. While the same price tag for a PS5 would end up being 7195:-.
Why would he be insecure?
Perhaps during the online stream they are planning to do around E3 time.
lol why? i think its something to keep people entertained while they wait out the virus in thier homes.
I was always on the fence of the "perceived value" of the rumored Lockhart. TF listed on a page can damage that kind of value when comparing a One X to the Lockhart. All these new features, and just the way the cogs turn on the insides of the system actually, really hype me up to the Lockhart reveal. I'm very curious about what the minimum-viable-next-gen specs will look like. I now just expect it to be a very performant, yet blurry, console. The exact opposite of the One S/One X right now. We're probably months away from that reveal though. Team Xbox seems to be focusing on us enthusiasts with their messaging at the moment.
I expect next gen gameplay to come with Lockhart, to prove its capabilities
Starting to think I'll be going back to MS next gen. They are nailing it with the info drops on X box series
2080 - ~70GB/s DDR4 + 448GB/s of VRAM
2080Ti - ~70GB/s DDR4 + 616GB/s of VRAM
Xbox Series X - 363GB/s in worst case, when "fast" ram is filled by gpu stuff + 560GB/s of "VRAM"
I would say this is not bad at all. 363GB/s is still super fast compared to when you reach out to DDR4 or god forbid pagefile on PC when you are out of VRAM.
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Yes, but Sony have the best exclusives and might have the more powerful console too.
At least 24 GB of RAM.
Obviously corners would have to be cut on other ends in order to match the same price point. Personally (and based on what I heard from developers) I would have preferred to sacrifice a bit of GPU and/or CPU performance in favor of more RAM. Of course delaying next gen consoles for another year would have been an option too.
Potential acquisitions. They kicked the tires probably. I expect Asobo though.
Oh, most definitely. That would be why I said "363GBps is still a fair amount of bandwidth". ;)
So it looks like AMD's hardware RT implementation is very similar to what is being done in Turing. So people arguing that Turing RT came too early and would be obsolete with the launch of next gen consoles weren't remotely correct?
With the advent of local ray, it's been said that their innovation in real time raytracing comes with the invention of a new acceleration structure that accounts for dynamic objects. This prevents the need for the traditional BVH structure to be rebuilt every frame. I was assuming that AMD would have come up with something similar, but hardware accelerated, but it seems that RDNA2 might be competing more with Turing rather than Ampere (assuming that Nvidia will provide further innovation)?
Edit: Anyway, I have to tip my hat to Microsoft. Their system is an absolute monster! I'm so happy the bar for next gen is this high! I look forward to seeing what next-gen games look like!
With the advent of local ray, it's been said that their innovation in real time raytracing comes with the invention of a new acceleration structure that accounts for dynamic objects. This prevents the need for the traditional BVH structure to be rebuilt every frame. I was assuming that AMD would have come up with something similar, but hardware accelerated, but it seems that RDNA2 might be competing more with Turing rather than Ampere (assuming that Nvidia will provide further innovation)?
Edit: Anyway, I have to tip my hat to Microsoft. Their system is an absolute monster! I'm so happy the bar for next gen is this high! I look forward to seeing what next-gen games look like!
I don't think you can add the bandwidth like this. It's shared.
That's likely when it happens as they also announce the price and let you know you can pre order it right now.
Really encouraging seeing the team's commitment to high framerate going into next gen.
Is this our first look at actual RDNA2 hardware in operation? In particular does it give us insight on AMD's ray tracing implementation? My impression is that there still hasn't been much detail shown, but I haven't been following closely. I'm curious what their hardware solution is like compared to Nvidia's, and whether this could be a dramatic shift for GPU hardware overall.
MS is hard at work on greatly improving their exclusives offerings. Also, I don't really see Sony having the more powerful system. But we'll have to wait and see.
Which version are you playing?
360
PS3
XBOX One
PS4
Switch
Refrigerator OS
TI-82
Apple Watch
Dreamcast
PC
Ouya
Tesla Cybertruck
Turbo Grfx 16
32x
iPad
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Why? The only way this happens is if your demand for fast ram exceeds 10GB. It's only at this point that you can't continue to split your data across all 10 chips.
How about this: RT performance alone is 13 TFLOPs on Xbox Series X (25-12TFLOPS)
Turing's RT core can deliver 10 TFLOPS per gigaray, a RTX 2080 has 8 gigays per second, so 8*10TFLOPs = 80 TFLOPs of RT performance.
Hm, could be bullshit, because that would make for a much weaker RT solution. But yeah I agree that the RTX-Ops can't be compared to AMD's way of measuring RT performance.
Well, when Sony comes out with games I want on PS5 I will get that as well. But, as I did last gen I'll get the Xbox to start as it will have the games I know I want already (and I effectively already "own" them via Game Pass).
What a fucking beast. And there still is more to share!? Hot damn those dedicated blocks to specific tasks is great to hear!
This is the high end machine. The main competitor for ps5 is still unknown, though. Wonder when we will see Lockhart revealed.
also I assume devs can assign where data goes, meaning the "slow ram" is mostly used for smaller datasets.
Are you a developer? I'm curious about your 1 second claim. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it seemed authoritative.
But I think Nvidia's figure is for fully bounced rays. Ms is quoting the number of intersections the hardware can perform.
So they wouldn't be the exact same measurement.
Still sounds like the gpu has some serious raytracing performance given it was able to run minecraftRT in 4k60 without any specific optimization.
People even believe the other console is even more powerful, for$399. Everything is possible.
Controller is super disappointing.
They should be standardizing a gyro (optional in games!) and back buttons/paddles.
They should be standardizing a gyro (optional in games!) and back buttons/paddles.
