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XBox Series S & Xbox Series X Official Specs Comparison
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The speed of the slower pool is similar to what you'd find in system memory for a modern PC. That'll obviously be all OS.
What I would expect from this console is 1440p in cross gen games and less demanding games going forward. Later in the gen, I would expect 1080p from this machine. Another thing is that they can tweak the graphic settings between XSX and XSS versions, just like different specced PCs. Resolution is not the only scaling slider.
What I would expect from this console is 1440p in cross gen games and less demanding games going forward. Later in the gen, I would expect 1080p from this machine. Another thing is that they can tweak the graphic settings between XSX and XSS versions, just like different specced PCs. Resolution is not the only scaling slider.
I am watching the video, and they are doubling down on native 4k games running at 1440p on the xsx. 1440p vs native 4k is roughly a 2x difference in pixels. 4 vs 12 tflops is 3x, they are going to struggle to run any next gen game running at native 4k on the xsx at 1440p on the xsx.
8.1 million pixels/3 = 2.7 million pixels. That's 1 million fewer pixels than 1440p, and far closer to the 2.1 million pixels of 1080p.
I guess they are doing what they did with the xbox one. market it as a 1080p console when most of the games were 900p or lower.
I suspect we will see cross gen games running at 1440p and thats about it.
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Not saying much for you then.
A bit lower than I expected in terms of memory bandwith. I imagine this will mostly be a 1080p machine. Which isn't bad by any means. Anything below 1080p really suffers in my opinion, but 1080p is decent.
Not really...Try Gears, Horizon, or RDR2 on a 2060 super and you won't be getting 60 fps with ultra...
Not really...Try Gears, Horizon, or RDR2 on a 2060 super and you won't be getting 60 fps with ultra...
Smart delivery is almost certainly going to be a thing. Keep in mind the S is going to be using lower quality textures compared to the X in many case, so memory speeds being slower aren't going to be as big a factor as it might seem on paper. If I'm moving 1 gig of texture data vs 2 gigs of texture data into ram, in a system where everything else is perfect, that's still going to take around the same length of time. Same with performing pixel shader effects on a 4K framebuffer vs a 1440p one. 1440p is approximately 45% the number of pixels as 4K.
The ram differences are about what I'd expect given the performance targets.
Edit: though people are on the nose to question the GPU TF difference when viewed through the same lens.
I mean the PS4 and Xbox One still exist.
If the XSS becomes the low end soon and I think that's ok.
Uh no that's false. GDDR5 and GDDR6 are equivalent in performance at the same bandwidth.
Look native has not been mentioned at all, it's a 1440p marketed console how developers get there is up to them. Many tricks are available now more than ever, people need to forget about native resolutions.
I mean, it should be obvious no? The cheaper version, if it plays games adequately, is all that some people may look for. Hell I might pick the S up later down the road just to play the exclusives (as long as the performance is adequate).
I think the console will have an audience. How big, time will tell.
I guess for games this won't matter as the pool will be used for the OS. But I thinks it's low aswell.
seems kinda low for the 2 GB
The CPU and SSD are very important for the next gen experiences and those are a leap above Pro and One X.
Good one.
Remedy Technical Producer on Series S specs :
- 10 vs 12GB
- Lower bandwidth by a margin than One X
- More efficiently due to SFS and SSD. On current gen consoles a lot of RAM is wasted to preload data for the next >30 seconds. Not necessary on Series S|X or PS5.
- series S can use SSD as virtual RAM, while One X can't.
I'm just saying, referencing the 1440p performance of a 175W desktop GPU that is 60% faster adds nothing to the discussion.
That's a good point.You are not the first person mentionning Gears 5, no doubt that first parties will have the ressources to optimize their games properly on the XSS.
For what it is worth, here is a comparison at 1440p between the RX580 (6.2TF, XB1X equivalent) and the RX5500XT (equivalent RDNA1 GPU but 30% more TF than the XSS, same bandwith). Keep in mind that the RX5500XT doesn't have an interleaved slow/fast RAM pool and doesn't have to share the bandwidth with the CPU. Also, we don't know yet what kind of IPC improvement RDNA2 is bringing to the table.
It's got to be that way given the RAM size difference. While the XSS is more powerful overall, and will be able to do things at 1440p and 1080p that the X1X can't (for example, Crysis Remastered using ray tracing is limited to 1080p on X1X, at that res, a hypothetical Crysis Remastered on XSS would have numerous advantages over the X1X version), at 4K it's going to be ram starved.
Edit: Oh, and, on performance targets, frankly I expect first party stuff to hit them, even if second and third party likely won't. As a rule of thumb, Xbox One games from first party teams were 1080p/30 on base consoles.
That makes sense, they need to plan a different memory mapping, different optimizations, and basically do the whole game testing twice. It's going to be more work on that side of the development. It's like having to do the mid-gen dance right at the start of the generation, while they already have their hands full with the cross-gen problems.
Performance targets, mainly. On PC if one specific GPU can't quite hit the performance target, oh well, you just tweak your recommended spec. On console, that means you've got to pour loads of work into optimizing for that one set of hardware to get there.
Just looking at the benchmarks and extrapolating for next-gen gains increasing demands, it's going to be a great 1080p machine.
There's no need for us (as a community) to go to war over the 1440p target listed. The math just doesn't add up.
Of course less intensive/indie games can reach higher, but that's not really what we are discussing here.
I'm impressed with what I've seen of the Series S specs so far.
What I'm really curious about though, is how backwards compatibility is going to be handled. I really want to know if the Series S will get the Xbox one X enhancements, but dialed back for 1440p?
What I'm really curious about though, is how backwards compatibility is going to be handled. I really want to know if the Series S will get the Xbox one X enhancements, but dialed back for 1440p?
Do they even sell 1440p TV's? (Not pc monitors).
What's the penetration of 4k so far?
The ram won't be low, it will be scaled in proportion to resolution. Just think back to the different engine analysis that ms did for the x, people were saying that the machine would not get to 4k, but as we know that wasn't the case for quite a few games.
Ugh, I was hoping for an affordable substitute for my one X, but with that ram speed and quantity seems it won't have a enhancements... i'm a bit upset on this model... :/
I'd consider myself an enthusiast, given It's my primary hobby. However I'd still consider getting an s as a second machine given the crazy price.
you were hoping a low end replacement for the high nd of the the last gen? also the s can do so many things the xb1x cant do.
Tbh, if you're happy with the One X, you should keep that. The Series X is the true upgrade and the Series S is a starter for the nextgen. If people actually care about 4k, Series X is the logical step but maybe once the price drops.
I view this as filling the role a slim or similar type console did in previous gens. A good entry point for price sensitive consumers, and also good as the 2nd console in a house or a console you'd buy for your kids.
Agreed. The Series S will be a solid opener. Fast CPU, RAM and SSD. Also GPU is no slouch if it can push 1080p/1440p at 60. The price and GPU is also a major factor for those thinking about jumping in. Especially with EA on board too.
Many newer TVs support 1440p/120Hz output through HDMI 2.1, yes.
I don't see any reason the XSX can't run enhanced X1X games, even at 4K.
I have a 1080p tv and no plans for upgrading for the next few years. I'm also fine with no disc drive. Is there any reason I should still get the Series X over the Series S? Would there be better performance with the Series X at 1080?
Maybe if there was a next gen showcase title that had to run at 1440p 30 FPS on the Series X, meaning it would run sub-1080p on Series S, but such a game won't be around for at least 2-3 years at a minimum I'd imagine.
More likely to be 1080 with better textures/performance etc. If you have a TV that supports it. It will probably down sample from 4k and that will still look super nice but it's built for 4k really.
So are you saying if I buy Cyberpunk in November I will get no benefit playing it on a Series S Vs. One X
We don't know enough to answer your questions tbh. Will XSS guarantee 1080p/60 in every game? We know the XSX will.
Are you the type to buy one console, then buy the more powerful one when you upgrade the TV? Are you concerned about a mid-gen refresh Super Series X in 3-4 years? There are a lot of factors to consider.
If you tend to buy just one console, I'd buy the Series X. That way you are ready when the new TV comes into play.
If things play out how they should, you'll also get supersampling and far better graphics settings in the Series X versions of games.