Definitely not going to use it. They're basically guessing (with AI) at the missing colors, brightness in the spectrum and applying them. I'll just take SDR on games that never had HDR.
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Xbox Series S|X "Auto HDR" Can Be Enabled on All Titles Except in Cases Where Microsoft Feels the Effect Doesn't Create a Pleasing Result
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On a guttural level I'm like, "Oh gods is this the new motion interpolation?" Though unlike the former, this sounds like technology that could be useful as it is further developed? I think some TVs already do a form of this, if you turn it on/off but it is horrible idea for film.
yeah, basic stuff might be if there are white HUDs or menus (or whole levels) which will look ghastly if converted to HDR
Yeah Tvs can do similar things, but often with a big latency hit, so not ideal for games really.
I think my 4K TV has it but it's definitely not something that should be used for film. Just like motion interpolation. :|
This is one of the features I'm looking forward the most. Isn't this also using an algorithm derived from Gears 5?
I am kind of torn on this. If the implementation is good I'm all for it, but it does feel a bit like frame interpolation. I'll likely leave it off.
Also, can MS just make 343i stop working on Craig for a few days and put it into Halo 5? I don't want to replay the game because it is garbage, but I want to look at it in HDR.
Also, can MS just make 343i stop working on Craig for a few days and put it into Halo 5? I don't want to replay the game because it is garbage, but I want to look at it in HDR.
A variation of it was deployed in software for G5, it is done in the Xbox hardware now.
Cool that this exists but I don't think I'd ever actually want to use it. Maybe I'd change my tune when I see it at home for myself.
Oh yeah, good call.
Although thinking about it (sorry condemed), games that are very dark might not be good candidates, otherwise, you get the black crush situation you often see in many poor implementations of HDR titles.
So many things to consider< i can see why they might turn it of.
I wanna See Geometry Wars and Rez
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Not backwards compatible unfortunately, Child of Eden is though.
you might be right but watching the digitalfoundry video this morning as he was discussing Auto HDR I heard him to say the AI determines it but I could be mistaken
the AI he mentioned produces the HDR implementation
It's like DLSS but for HDR
Yes I understand, I just thought I heard him also saying that while it's producing it it's checking certain levels to see if they're high quality reproduction of HDR but I understand what you're saying I just can't imagine people going through every single game to decide whether as HDR feasible or not
not saying you are wrong and I will go back and read listen when I get a chance and of course I'm not familiar with the capabilities of the algorithm so I could be wrong
I'm really curious to see this and even more curious to see it continue to evolve. My XSX won't be permanently hooked up to a 4k HDR TV (space limitations, mostly) but I am curious to see it in action and play around with it when I get one
I mean, I hear 30fps is more cinematic.. so... "Art" checks out, I think. /s obviously
I'm kinda surprised Nvidia managed to get DLSS working from 1/9th resolution, but nothing for AI HDR on PC yet D:
No, it's a dumb gimmick and I'll be turning it off straight away.
Don't think so, but someone might want to use a PC with a TV with HDR too. Maybe they'll do something when HDR monitors are more of a thing.
hoping it's more than a gimmick as I love HDR but also have turned off other "solutions" in the past
here is a brief explanation of what they're doing. I know there is a more detailed analysis somewhere but can not find atm. (someone here linked to it a couple weeks ago}
Techradar MS DHR
it's been built with an AI, but the results are not using any ML on the machine.
But the flashlight is bright and when you shine on characters/objects up close, it already gets really blown out
HDR is the colors of the pixels, nothing to do with resolution. i've played Hitman on Xb1S and it was 900p in HDR and it was spectacular.
That's perfect! Can't wait to see how it looks. My hope is that the system makes it clear when it's enabled (since TVs will just see it as an HDR signal and that's it), with an easy way to toggle it to off on a per-game basis, but honestly if they're checking it out themselves and deeming what looks better and worse while making the process automatic on my end, that's beautiful.
Interesting, so it should be available to next gen titles as well, that don't natively support HDR?
The console has access to the frame buffer before it is dropped to 8bit, so they can get a much higher bit depth out of the content. This alone will give a better image quality.
Then the AI has actually been trained on game content AND SDR and HDR image pairs.
ah ok so same basic thing, just more refined and made specifically for video games? Sounds awesome!
Like I said when the TV got it right it looked awesome so this is a great feature!
Now that destiny is on gamepass I really feel like bungie/microsoft need to come together and fix whatever the hell is going on with that game.
That is clearly a game that has a horribly borked implementation, I almost wonder what would happen if bungie just let this rough algorithm try it instead.
Assuming it takes resources away from the GPU for machine learning task so probably not for native series X game. BC however is different, they can reserved part of the resource to do those task since running BC games don't require full power.
To performance machine learning task? I thought the xbox hot chip talks about how they tweak the hw to do DirectML on the gpu.
Man I was just going to post this HDR in Destiny 2 is been fucked since day one.
Yes, Geometry Wars should have been a HDR tech demo, the visual style is made for it.
Properly implemented HDR really isn't "changing" the art, as it's effectively taking the visual information and detail that was already there and broadening it to fit within a wider color range than was originally possible. In many cases you would literally be bringing it closer to artistic intent. Halo 3 for example internally operates with a much broader dynamic range than is able to be output on an SDR display, but then "flattens" it for the final render. The X1X enhancements that enabled HDR just block the flattening step. Now, that's different than what's happening here under the hood, but it's still a relevant example. And has been said, if you don't like it, you can disable it.
I'm really curious how well this is going to work. Gears 5 possibly has the best looking HDR I've seen. If they are using the same or an improved AI algorithm to apply HDR automatically, even if the results are half as good, that could still be amazing.
This could be an awesome reason to boot up old titles again.
This could be an awesome reason to boot up old titles again.