This is really great, I have a huge amount of appreciation for all the wonderful BC features Microsoft has invested in. It's one of the main reasons I bought a Series X (after Game Pass, obvs). Can't wait to see what other games this expands to.
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Xbox: Making Backward Compatible Games Even Better with FPS Boost - DigitalFoundry tests including Watch Dogs 2, Far Cry 4 etc
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This is literally never happening, so please don't hope for it lol.
These will always be curated lists of select titles because of the way it works. They'll still need to test all these games individually if everything works properly and above all need permission from original developers and publishers to maintain the artistic integrity.
This is fantastic. Going to try out Sniper Elite and Far Cry 4. Can't wait to see what other games the boost comes to in the future.
Kinda feels like Ubisoft should update Watch Dogs 2 to at least the same resolution as PS4 Pro, given that MS have effectively made the game run better for them for free.
Kinda feels like Ubisoft should update Watch Dogs 2 to at least the same resolution as PS4 Pro, given that MS have effectively made the game run better for them for free.
Will that work on the Watch Dogs 2 demo?
They need a good GWG or GCU title to show off dat boost goodness.
They need a good GWG or GCU title to show off dat boost goodness.
But only for Series X profile right? I just want unlocked framerate for base One version too :(
Yes please. Dark Souls 3 in particular because it also released before the one X so it runs at 900p I believe. I replayed it recently and while I loved it 900p 30FPS was not really a good experience. bumping that to 60 would really transform that.
I thought it was mostly for the séries S in general more than Series X. Since the X can get some enhanced from the previous One X profiles. But i hope it extends to OG and 360 titles.
Since we got 2 Ubisoft games on this batch, give me some faith for Origins/Odissey and FC5 at 60!
Developers of the RPCS3 emulator have a mode that enables double frame rate on some PS3 games. Can Sony do the same for PS4 games? No idea, but they can do a lot more than what they are doing, which is maybe a patch a month for a random popular first party title and only if it was a PS4 game.
Yes. Gears 3 already looks incredible in 4K with auto hdr. 60 would be perfect.
It's been 10 years since red dead 1 released, they're not gonna remaster it any time soon, and RDR1 already got x1x enhancement.
Rockstar already allowed the native 4K enhancement on the vanilla 360 version, so it's not like it's out of the question.
I'm sure their going for the Nintendo route of re releasing it for $60 when it's $30 already
If you said "patch-begging" that would make more sense. The games already plays on the PS5.
The point is that xbox is really investing into older games running better on new hardware, and its amazing.
The excuse for Sony doesn't hold much water when they just released new hardware. If there are changes that need to happen on the hardware or API level, this would have been the time to solve that.
Can't say I'm interested in the initial titles the fps boost supports, but looking forward to seeing more bc games use it in the future. Hoping to see RE2 if only because I'm used to the 120fps knife on the pc. :p
This feature is something that can probably be easily increased with each new console, which is a pretty cool thought. What is boosted now to 60 could be 120 fps in a couple of years.
This feature is something that can probably be easily increased with each new console, which is a pretty cool thought. What is boosted now to 60 could be 120 fps in a couple of years.
The BioShock titles on 360, oddly enough, allow you to unlock the framerate. Who knows why they thought that was a good idea on Xbox 360 hardware but it works out pretty nicely on Series X|S.
I just need it to go on sale. It is $49.99 on the Xbox Store right now...no way am I paying that much for it. Hopefully they will have a sale on it soon.
Is there a more in-depth explanation of how they're actually doing this than the brief snippet in the DF video?
It sounds like the method would be applicable to even older than One games, which would be excellent news, but regardless it's awesome to see them do this and one of the reasons I've been purchasing games in their ecosystem since the BC program opened.
It sounds like the method would be applicable to even older than One games, which would be excellent news, but regardless it's awesome to see them do this and one of the reasons I've been purchasing games in their ecosystem since the BC program opened.
Oh yeah, it's not no work. It's (essentially) no work on the original devs side. MS have clearly done a ton of work.
Incredible stuff. The BC team continues to amaze me.
It's an interesting choice of games. New Super Lucky's Tale is the only one I have on Xbox, though I don't own a 120fps display to take advantage of the boost.
I'm a little surprised there are no Microsoft published titles in the first lot.
It's an interesting choice of games. New Super Lucky's Tale is the only one I have on Xbox, though I don't own a 120fps display to take advantage of the boost.
I'm a little surprised there are no Microsoft published titles in the first lot.
They started 'somewhere', but they also leveraged the fact that how the Xbox OS works (which is is still Windows-based and with games running basically running in a VM) which is different from what Sony has been doing. Because of Xbox's more 'decoupled' design it has been possible to basically put a lot of effort into writing a software emulator being able to play older games. Sony's current solution is much more akin to hardware emulation, with the system itself acting like its a PS4/PRo.
* small note: it has been a while since I read about how Xbox BC-stuff works so I might be off on a few things
Oh I agree on that. I do kinda hope that they will bring some form of emulation for the older consoles down the line.
I know haha, i looked instantly. i've seen it go on sale multiple times, just never had a reason to buy it over the PS4 version. but i'll gladly drop $10 to play it 60fps
"Patch-begging", oh boy, what a mouthful. Haha yeah that's what I meant. :D
I played and finished God of War yesterday. Couldn't finish the first chapter on PS4, and destroyed the game on PS5 with its silky smoothness. Do wish Sony was all in on it, there are so many games that I want to play but haven't because of lack of 60fps. I will clear my backlog if they all supported 60fps.
But yeah, Microsoft is KILLING IT!! They deserve all the praise with their daily communications, and QoL updates.
Sony is hibernating and waiting for their future games to speak for itself; they will probably hibernate till the Summer.
Catalyst was 60fps but it came out before the One X so it doesn't have a 4K mode. I think it's like 900P. The first game on 360 can be played in 4K but it's stuck at 30 fps. It would really benefit from a 60 fps bump.
Unfortunately the games didn't sell that well so I imagine they're lower priority for getting any type of graphics bump.
Yeah, it's honestly pretty surprising how little Sony cares about backwards compatibility and long term eco-system support, but at least PS4 on PS5 works incredibly well (and a lot of games run better than XSX for now thanks to the performance differential between PS4 Pro and PS5) and they did offer some enhancement tools to the game devs to allow doubled frame rates as well, even though they lack the wizardry powers of the Xbox BC team.
It sucks too because we know that they have emulators for PS1, PS2 and PSP that run on PS4 hardware, and I have no doubts they could build a PS3 and PS Vita emulator as well, but they just outright refuse to further invest in there...
I just hope that they keep it up and that the PS6 can play PS4 and PS5 games, but based on how PS4 compatibility on PS5 works I am not so sure that will be possible.
In the Digital Foundry vid John Linneman says that Jason Ronald says that the technology is applicable to Xbox 360 and OG Xbox titles, so they definitely can and likely will do it.
Hoping for 60fps Splinter Cell series now, damn it
Yeah, New Super Lucky's Tale is 120fps on both Series X and S, at 4k and 1080p respectively.
Wait really? I'm about to get my old KOTOR disk and start playing that now, had no idea it was 60fps on Xbox One/X, same with Morrowind. Thank you for letting me know because holy shit
Digital Foundry call out Sonic Generations in their video at the end. Hopefully Microsoft is watching (they definitely are).
As I say in every one of these threads, games that released on PC at the same time as consoles are good candidates for this upgrade. Games that were built with 30fps consoles as their only target might have issues if they weren't originally tested at 60fps.
The games showcased here tick that PC box.
I'm very excited to see a Skyrim/Fallout 4 comparison with the direct 3d technique Microsoft is using to change framerates versus the mods that enables 60fps. I wonder if it'll be identical performance or if there will be a difference. The same i imagine.
Also hoping for Yakuza Kiwami 2 to get the upgrade. Hopefully Yakuza 6 supports the Series S/X natively.
Now we just need to hear about resolution bumping and whether they can take a game like Gears of War Ultimate which is 1080p30 and bump it up to 4k60.
None of these first games are One X enhanced, right? I'm curious if they could apply that to already enhanced games running at higher resolution, on Series X of course. For example, Darksiders 3 (or Genesis) at 4k and 60 fps on a console, it would look awesome.
Looking forward to many more games having this applied.
Looking forward to many more games having this applied.
Not really. You need to enable devs or tell them at the beginning of gen You wish to emulate further. What MS achieved was thw result of setting things up for X One generation. I imagine Sony doing that for this gen going forward which You will see when PS6 launches.
But quite frankly all You need is do what devs do with PC for 30 years now.
