Also this.
There will be a good number of people who will never own an Xbox, but buy into Xbox's ecosystem via Game Pass, Xcloud, or Steam.
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Xbox has a bolder ecosystem. PS4 has more popular exclusives. What if next gen launches at the same time AND price point for the first time ever?
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Also this.
There will be a good number of people who will never own an Xbox, but buy into Xbox's ecosystem via Game Pass, Xcloud, or Steam.
You're actually in the minority. Most people, especially the mainstream, does not care and will stick to Playstation. Sony will have to incredibly mess up for Xbox to even have a shot to overtake them.
In the console space you have the Yakuza franchise, Persona 5, Nier Automata for a year, Dragon Quest for awhile, and that's just from the top of my head.
There's plenty still not releasing on Xbox and I'm sure it'll continue next generation as well.
Pricing seemed like it was the main factor in the Xbox 360's success, compared to anything else. That, and having the better version of games.
If price is similar, and PS5 has backwards compatibility, I don't anticipate many people switching.
I don't think the performance gap is likely to be large enough to matter, even if the Xbox is a faster system.
If price is similar, and PS5 has backwards compatibility, I don't anticipate many people switching.
I don't think the performance gap is likely to be large enough to matter, even if the Xbox is a faster system.
I think Xbox is going to have a much stronger start than people expect. Not only from stuff like Gamepass xCloud, but also from already showing their hand and getting people interested in their next console, and Microsoft finally taking PC gaming seriously means there will be more people on Xbox Live then ever.
I think that at the same price and power, PS wins this handily, simply because the brand is far stronger internationally.
I think being able to purchase and stream games on any device you own would give the nod to Xbox if we're thinking over the next ten years - but (big if!) if they can do it properly.
GTA VI, available on Game Pass and xCloud for £xx amount per month, without needing to even buy the console? That would be ridiculous.
Strictly speaking just consoles, Sony will easily sell more, but Xbox as a brand will be the more profitable. Who 'wins' in that scenario? You decide.
GTA VI, available on Game Pass and xCloud for £xx amount per month, without needing to even buy the console? That would be ridiculous.
Strictly speaking just consoles, Sony will easily sell more, but Xbox as a brand will be the more profitable. Who 'wins' in that scenario? You decide.
Well this debate gets complicated when you add in many PS4 games have PC ports but not Xbox versions, not true exclusives, but i would agree Phil Spencer needs to do better with getting games like Nier, DQ etc on Xbox day one with PS & PC.
With the machines likely to be very close in price and performance, and Sony having both BC (even if restricted to PS4) and subscription service choices, but also a nice VR catalogue as well as a slew of high level quality exclusives, plus really good worldwide support...
I think Sony will just carry its success over tbh.
MS will probably do better than XB1 (though with their games available also on Steam for good reason, the Xbox -devices- might suffer a bit), but it would be hard to do worse in their position imo.
I think Sony will just carry its success over tbh.
MS will probably do better than XB1 (though with their games available also on Steam for good reason, the Xbox -devices- might suffer a bit), but it would be hard to do worse in their position imo.
Same here having access to 100s of games I will never play for $10 a month in a Netflix like service IS a great deal at face value but Games are not shows I can finish in 30 minutes and having access to all of those games with Game Pass isn't appealing to me. I only got so much time in the day to play a video game after all and heck I touched maybe about 5% - 10% of all of the free games I got through PlayStation Plus over the years so I will stick to my traditional console and pick up any noteworthy titles from Microsoft on PC (Mostly referring to Obsidian's games thou).
i always wonder how much of xbox360 total sold were due to RROD - for example i had 3 360's altogether so was the gen not as close as it appears from pure sold through.
Are there any accurate usage figures for global games - fifa? - that may show a more accurate figure of the gen?
Are there any accurate usage figures for global games - fifa? - that may show a more accurate figure of the gen?
I don't think they can launch at the same price. One of them will lower it at the last second. The only generation that had the same price was PS2/Xbox, and they had a year difference in launch date.
I would buy PS5 over the Xbox console at launch just because of the exclusives alone. They have too many good exclusive games. Also knowing that a lot of the Gamepass games are going to PC as well, it's easier to get access to the games without having the console.
I would buy PS5 over the Xbox console at launch just because of the exclusives alone. They have too many good exclusive games. Also knowing that a lot of the Gamepass games are going to PC as well, it's easier to get access to the games without having the console.
I would imagine Sony would win, I mean I would go Playstation over Xbox. Outside of Gamepass nothing else on Xbox is better in my eyes and I still haven't even played a game off my Gamepass yet so it clearly doesn't mean that much to me.
Playstation is obviously at an advantage, but I do believe that Microsoft could gain a ton of ground if all of their studio acquisitions pay off and they start releasing some must-own exclusives. The first couple years of next-gen will be some very interesting times.
Almost the opposite for me.
I like Game Pass somewhat but i hope Sony and Nintendo will never do such a thing. Maybe with older (5+ years) games but never with brand new games.
- Xbox One X is a fine console but for me there's more to a a console than 5fps more or some games running native 4k.
- The OS of the Xbox i just can't stand , it's a chore to use for me.
- The Controller is good but i prefer the DS4 by far.
- Trophies are worth more to me than Achievments
The X is woth less for me personally because i would want that power to make big exclusives better. I bought a PRo just so that i can play PS4 exclusives a bit better. MS Exclusives don't play that big of a role for me so far this gen so i don't need a X to make the one or two games i would play on it better.
Services and other stuff are exiting but i buy my consoles to play games i can't have anywhere else. That's what i use my switch and my PS4 for. Xbox exclusives are often lacking and i can play them even better on a pc.
I'll buy a Xbox Scarlet day 1 for the exclusives but outside of that i don't really know what should make me switch over. Maybe if the bc is way better on Scarlet.
Please provide me to a link to where I can sign up for a subscription to get new PS4 first party releases such as The Last of Us 2 on release day for only $10 a month. I'd love to sign up.
That's interesting. I wonder if there's a bit of the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality at play for us.
It's tough to say early on so I'm hoping to wait a few years. We should have a clearer picture by whenever they release the xbox and ps5 pro or whatever.
Despite MS buying a bunch of studios, they still don't have much to show for it in terms of exclusives, but that can change by then.
Despite MS buying a bunch of studios, they still don't have much to show for it in terms of exclusives, but that can change by then.
Both will win tbh. MS basically cant lose with how theyve positioned themselves and I doubt Sony will pull a PS3 again. Plus maybe Xbox will compete with Sony exclusives again with all the studios theyve gobbled up.
I only averaged one or two games per year on PS4. Most of my gaming is on Xbox and Nintendo. I will probably get the next Xbox and wait a few years for the PS5 library to build up before getting one. Or if Sony improves PS Now then I will simply stream the 1 tom2 games per year from there.
I'll probably do Xbox at launch due to the ecosystem of "PC at desk, console at the tv, XCloud on the go" and then pick up a PS5 when the first exclusive I have to have comes out.
Nope, not even close. As of December 2018:
Playstation Network MAU: over 90 million.
Xbox Live MAU: 64 million
It's a weird sentiment that propped up around 3 years ago that people cling on to.
Probably due to Wii U crashing out the gate and PS4 doing really well before any strong exclusives showed up.
But PS4 and its software's continued performance along with Switch show that sentiment was inaccurate
I dont really care for Sony exclusives. I mainly play multi-plats and Nintendo exclusives, so next gen like every other gen, I'll go with the more powerful console and also own a Nintendo handheld. So whatever Sony or MS do, Nintendo will win.
Best exclusives will win, and Sony has amazing exclusives. And with BC, will be able to transfer a lot of users smoothly to the new console. I'm confident MS will have a great console. But let's not forget that selling consoles isn't their main priority. So Sony will sell most consoles, but that doesn't mean MS won't be very successful with its combination of services, exclusives available on PCs, their own consoles etc.
Damn, way bigger than I though. So Xbox doesn't even have a bolder ecosystem. Just a Games Pass.
I intend to get both, but Xbox is higher priority for me since I have Game Pass Ultimate until 2022 and I like how it's backwards compatable for several generations.
By when exactly? These studio purchases are great for Microsoft but you got to remember that some of these studios are still working on their own games and AAA games typically take more than 2 years to get made so out of the usual franchise entries for Microsoft I highly doubt we will see any of these new Studios bear fruit for Microsoft on the first year of Scarlet and maybe even on the 2nd year but only time will tell.
There isn't a "winner". I'm sure MS will continue growing their services and subs revenue and building upon their gamepass model whilst selling a reasonable number of consoles whilst Sony will sell more hardware and traditional games.
But there isn't a winner or a loser. Just two companies in gaming doing different things.
But there isn't a winner or a loser. Just two companies in gaming doing different things.
The console war as we've known it for so long is dead.
If you're someone that really cares about this, then you need to just know that in terms of flat out number of consoles sold, the PlayStation 5 will 'win' that particular battle. That isn't what matters so much any more, however. Microsoft will be very content in shifting less consoles as long as they sell more subscriptions. It's the way the market is going and I think Microsoft will eventually be the market leader once they have more good exclusives.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but despite them being no.1 in gaming in most people's eyes at the moment (including mine), I think Sony would be the first to go out of business between themselves, Microsoft, and Nintendo if it ever came to it. It sounds odd, but I think it'd be the most likely thing to happen even though I think any of them going out of business in a gaming sense is out of the question for an incredibly long time.
I think Nintendo and Sony still do well because so many people are still accustomed to owning a cartridge or disc, or at least a digital copy of a game. I'm 30-years-old now and this will always be my preferred way to purchase media in terms of video games, but I have very much adapted to streaming any other form of media. Maybe I will just accept it one day for games too? I am convinced that the next generation of gamers will be ones who care much less about collecting physical games and that will be the niche market, much like vinyl for example. At the moment, I'd say most gamers in their late teens, and all of us in our 20's, 30's, 40's that still game are mostly set in our ways and want it to stay that way. But, it won't be the case for that much longer when we're outnumbered by more and more who just want to get the game quick, download, stream it etc. This is when I believe Sony and NIntendo will unfortunately struggle more as I can't see them always being able to one-up Microsoft and soon to be Google purely because of their exclusives, as the latter will have far better services and I'd almost guarantee they could afford to charge less.
Sad times ahead.
If you're someone that really cares about this, then you need to just know that in terms of flat out number of consoles sold, the PlayStation 5 will 'win' that particular battle. That isn't what matters so much any more, however. Microsoft will be very content in shifting less consoles as long as they sell more subscriptions. It's the way the market is going and I think Microsoft will eventually be the market leader once they have more good exclusives.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but despite them being no.1 in gaming in most people's eyes at the moment (including mine), I think Sony would be the first to go out of business between themselves, Microsoft, and Nintendo if it ever came to it. It sounds odd, but I think it'd be the most likely thing to happen even though I think any of them going out of business in a gaming sense is out of the question for an incredibly long time.
I think Nintendo and Sony still do well because so many people are still accustomed to owning a cartridge or disc, or at least a digital copy of a game. I'm 30-years-old now and this will always be my preferred way to purchase media in terms of video games, but I have very much adapted to streaming any other form of media. Maybe I will just accept it one day for games too? I am convinced that the next generation of gamers will be ones who care much less about collecting physical games and that will be the niche market, much like vinyl for example. At the moment, I'd say most gamers in their late teens, and all of us in our 20's, 30's, 40's that still game are mostly set in our ways and want it to stay that way. But, it won't be the case for that much longer when we're outnumbered by more and more who just want to get the game quick, download, stream it etc. This is when I believe Sony and NIntendo will unfortunately struggle more as I can't see them always being able to one-up Microsoft and soon to be Google purely because of their exclusives, as the latter will have far better services and I'd almost guarantee they could afford to charge less.
Sad times ahead.
I don't see much changing next-gen. Sony will dominate again. Games are everything, and all XBOX has at the moment is the promise that they'll maybe have some first party franchises that can compete at some point...but that could still be a loooong time away. I really can't imagine The Initiative coming out with a grand slam on their first try for example. Studios usually need to get their feet wet first.
Seriously though, wouldn't PS4 owners need to switch to XBOX en-masse to really shift the tides? Why would that happen? PlayStation has just had a phenomenal generation, and I imagine most of the userbase is anticipating at least one of the sequels to God of War, Spider-Man and Horizon. A better ecosystem doesn't seem like enough, especially given PS5 will likely have backwards compatibility, making switching even less attractive.
Seriously though, wouldn't PS4 owners need to switch to XBOX en-masse to really shift the tides? Why would that happen? PlayStation has just had a phenomenal generation, and I imagine most of the userbase is anticipating at least one of the sequels to God of War, Spider-Man and Horizon. A better ecosystem doesn't seem like enough, especially given PS5 will likely have backwards compatibility, making switching even less attractive.
I mentioned hoping to wait for whenever the mid cycle refresh launches which is usually around 3 years in. It's when PS4 hit its prime and when Xbox One was worth owning.
By then presumably most of these acquisitions will have something to show so i can make my mind up about which console is heading in the right direction
I think people are underestimating the effect that the Nintendo Switch's continued success and longer lifetime could have. Normally Nintendo is fading or has a half measure around the launch. This time they have a platform that especially if they use revisions will still be strong when these launch and we've started to reach a graphics threshold. Every gen there's been a speed bump of what does this new stuff really bring and we're reaching a point where the changes are getting smaller and smaller. Time will tell but Nintendo having a fully running and heavy library system while these two still have the traditional slow first two years of game release could make things quite interesting
Both will be successful, but Xbox still shows no signs of breaking big into Europe or Asia, whilest Sony are growing the PS brand in emerging markets like South East Asia and the Middle East. And already has a massive selling point exclusive to those on PS4, BC. So going with PS5 still comfortably outselling it WW.
That's a good mid point actually and it would be the ripe time for these new studios to show their work on the "upgraded" Scarlet in the future.
I've only ever owned an Xbox since 2006 and there's no scenario where I can see Microsoft selling more consoles than Sony next gen unless they make the fuck up of all fuck ups. They're just a bigger brand worldwide when it comes to gaming.
There's one platform that will provide Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War, and Spiderman. I'll be sticking with that barring any MS level BS like X1.
I don't need to own an Xbox to enjoy Gamepass, to play with the Xbox userbase for free, or to enjoy all of Xbox Game Studios publishing output - all of these are available on PC and will be for perpetuity.
I have a gaming/development rig that I keep fairly updated. By the time Scarlett comes to market, my PC will likely be stronger than it. I have absolutely zero reason to get Xbox hardware ever again.
Sony will get my cash, both for hardware and from my PS+ sub.
I have a gaming/development rig that I keep fairly updated. By the time Scarlett comes to market, my PC will likely be stronger than it. I have absolutely zero reason to get Xbox hardware ever again.
Sony will get my cash, both for hardware and from my PS+ sub.
I plan on buying both so I wish them both well. Never really understood people only attaching themselves to one platform unless costs are a concern.
I would've said that Xbox may have the advantage if it came out earlier(similar to 360), but looks like it going to come out around the same time frame as the PS5 so that's kinda irrelevant now. I think exclusives will matter the most here. Also power as well. But looks like from a power standpoint both are going to be pretty similar for any differences to be noticable. As long as Sony doesn't pull another PS3, I think Sony will reign(as much as I personally do want Xbox to come on top) but who knows?