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I just thought it was odd that every other studio listed in the image is 1st party and then Forgotten Empires is there but not World's Edge or Age of Empires studio listed.
I just thought it was odd that every other studio listed in the image is 1st party and then Forgotten Empires is there but not World's Edge or Age of Empires studio listed.
Focusing on AAA games when they have to be readily available day one on Game Pass would lead to insurmountable losses for their first party.
And its not just about the casual gamers, its about gaining the attention of markets where Xbox is barely alive and releases that peak the interest of PC gamers too.
They're not trying to relive the Xbox 360 golden days, they are trying to make Xbox a sustainable brand after everything they have endured.
Hours later, I'm still reeling at the lost opportunity, the flagrant disregard for history, the sheer injustice of it all - World's Edge is quite OK, of course, but clearly not the best choice.
RIP Studio Wololo - we never knew ye.
there is nothing Wrong Focusing on Both but 1P studio need to Focus on AAA games Xbox can deal with 2/3P for Small Games....
i want AAA experience too
Game Pass needs AA titles though. It needs smaller content to keep players on board between mega games. Now of course it needs AAA tentpoles too, that is just as vital. I imagine that will be Halo, Obsidian RPGs, Gears, Forza, Fable, Initiative game etc. Maybe add Everwild to that depending on what it actually is.
Sure Game Pass can get small third party games on board (like say Void Bastards or Outer Wilds or Ashen) but unless they commission those games they can't rely on them. If they have their own smaller games being developed by XGS teams (and I mean Grounded for example is 13 people) then they know they have content in the pipeline. They aren't reliant on external sources for that.
No, first party does not NEED to focus on AAA only. You are obviously going to get both AAA (343, Coalition, Rare, Playground, Initiative, Compulsion, Obsidian...) and smaller titles (Double Fine, Ninja Theory...) Not to mention most of these studios have multiple teams and also the publishing department as well.
TLDR; Both AAA and AA games are coming. As well as new IP
but they have make deals with 2P (owing tge Ips) or they will to heavily expand the studios to make both
we don't need a rush games or incomplate ones like SOT and now Grounded or technical problems like Sod2 and Gears 5
i want games i want new ips with Halo , forza and Gears budgets but some people want Smaller games coz big Games is only Playsation can do!!
but we will see in e3 2020
you won't see it
They are, most the games they get on Game Pass are indies and AA games. But Xbox Game Studios is its own thing and they need to have projects that are profitable. Having them make mostly AAA games that take 3-4 years and release day one on a subscription service just isn't possible.
I'm just telling you ahead of time, they will be announcing a lot of games and most of them are not going to be AAA. It could change deeper into next gen if they get an immense amount of subscribers, but just enjoy Xbox for what it has become.
what a wast buy RPG studios and make them made indie games!!
but if that happen then i'll leave the Xbox economy...since i don't play indie (not my type of games)
which is really sad coz i really like Xbox and their big Games
What is with the weird narrative spinning going on, MS have plenty of AAA studios/teams alongside a host of other smaller teams. That's a strength, I don't know how that can be spun into a weakness/issue. You got three new IP announced today, a new big project (EverWild), a medium sized project (Tell Me Why) and a small scale project (Grounded.) All completely different, alongside previously announced big (AOE4, MFS), medium (W3) and small (BE, MD) XGS games. You have 10 (11 really) teams that focus on AAA development, 9 medium to small teams, XGS Global Publishing Group and a couple of studios with their own publishing groups (343, Coalition, Rare etc.) Sure more teams would be great, who would say no to that. But pretending like there is some imbalance or a lacking in a certain scale of development compared to their competitors is nonsense.
I'm not even going to get into Sea of Thieves being a game designed to grow over time, or that Grounded was literally only announced today and you've decided it's going to be released incomplete.
They are already expanding their first party studios. Many of them have multiple teams. They can make massive AAA third person cinematic adventure games AND make off-brand, budget, adaptions of every one of Rick Moranis' movies.
Again, Grounded is being made with 13 people. Sure, that will increase before release, but in a studio of 200, that just released a big game, that's not many. There are plenty or people left to make Pillars of Skyrim.
You expect MS to throw the majority of its eggs in one basket? All I'm reading is "its not AAA enough" and "it doesn't look photo realistic."
No, but it would be nice to have 1-2 excellent games in that basket each year. It's a hugely popular type of game - not to mention the favorite of many here. I don't expect them to reach Sony calibre, but closer is what many hope for.
I mean XGS studios just released Gears and Outer Worlds?
Save this mess for the other threads. Any reasonable person knows that Microsoft is not forcing these guys to make these games. They were games already in development and are the games that these companies want to make.
Gears 5 had a good campaign but I did find it disappointing. The Outer Worlds looks amazing and I can't wait to play but it's multiplatform (PS4 & Switch too). I do think Microsoft is on the path toward improvement, but look at how bad 2017 & 2018 were in that regard. Then I look to 2020 and only see Halo Infinite. Hopefully more than that coming next year. Today's show certainly did nothing to generate excitement for AAA single player games in 2020.
Sony release 1-2 (3 maybe) of those a year and thats with them throwing the majority of their studios at them, how do you expect MS to achieve the same without copying that strategy. You are asking for them to reduce the amount of variety, to entertain one groups taste. How do you not see how detached from reality that is? You are already looking at 5-6 teams that will give you that sort of experience next gen.
I would personally love for them to cut back on some of those niche 'variety games' to deliver Sony-calibre AAA single player games that are considered some of the generation's defining experiences and also sell 10 million (+) copies.
I do think we'll see some major strides next gen. Fable RPG, Obsidian RPG, the new studio they opened to make a AAA blockbuster, etc. But it's just a damn long and unfortunate wait.
Well at least you're honest about it I guess, but "Niche variety" 🤦 Xcom games, Forza, shared world, Minecraft/Diablo, zombies, AOE, MSF, survival are not "niche." At least we can agree the type of games you prefer will be more of a regular fixture next gen, than this gen.
Guys, this was an incredible thing to witness in London. Tons of fantastic announcements, lots of cool Xbox swag, chance to meet a lot of cool people in the industry and effectively be part of the Inside Xbox show. Game Pass is becoming a behemoth, and the fact that nearly half of the shown and upcoming games for it are from Japan is showing a lot of commitment in that area too. Age Of Empires 4, Rare's and Obsidian's new games, Dontnod developing an exclusive game D1 on the pass, Yakuza... there's so damn much to unravel. Today I plan to be there all day if anyone wants to meet up. Yesterday I enjoyed the show and didn't try many games, today I will dive into them real hard.
Imagine judging exclusives by units sold when PS4 has double the install base of Xbox One.
Love this new Microsoft. Gamepass and Xcloud news were awesome and finally people get those Japanese games on Xbox.
Game announcements were super lame for me. They all had that cartoony art style and just didn't hit at all. Crossfire X and Minecraft Dungeons were best things.
Game announcements were super lame for me. They all had that cartoony art style and just didn't hit at all. Crossfire X and Minecraft Dungeons were best things.
Judging by their 2019 releases, even Sony has trouble consistently reaching the caliber you're describing.
Give it time. The games we're currently seeing announced are small projects that have shorter dev cycles and therefore are the first to be shown from the new crop of studios.
really impressed with today's show, and kind of shocked at how polarizing it seems to be here. i'm sure some are honest, i've got a few in mind i've got pegged as concern trolls, and some are just bad takes.
you will get plenty of AAA games going forward, but these things are going to take time to get moving. you have to understand that some of these games we're seeing now (like Bleeding Edge and Grounded) were in the works BEFORE joining XGS. therefore, Phil didn't show up with a check in hand and say "ok now, we want you, but ONLY if you make small-scale indie games or service based live games, THAT'S THE DEAL!" lol come on everyone, you all know this to be true. just think a little.
Phil also said in that closing interview that he doesn't see them going to another show before Scarlett and NOT have a new IP to talk about. meaning...connect the dots...think about it...
...meaning that the chance they show something for YOU increases as time marches on. and in the mean time we have variety, in both first party and third party additions to the Xbox library and the Game Pass lineup. i understand having preferences, but to just endlessly complain that Xbox isn't suiting your preferences, i'm just wondering if any of you have considered that maybe Xbox isn't for you??
you will get plenty of AAA games going forward, but these things are going to take time to get moving. you have to understand that some of these games we're seeing now (like Bleeding Edge and Grounded) were in the works BEFORE joining XGS. therefore, Phil didn't show up with a check in hand and say "ok now, we want you, but ONLY if you make small-scale indie games or service based live games, THAT'S THE DEAL!" lol come on everyone, you all know this to be true. just think a little.
Phil also said in that closing interview that he doesn't see them going to another show before Scarlett and NOT have a new IP to talk about. meaning...connect the dots...think about it...
...meaning that the chance they show something for YOU increases as time marches on. and in the mean time we have variety, in both first party and third party additions to the Xbox library and the Game Pass lineup. i understand having preferences, but to just endlessly complain that Xbox isn't suiting your preferences, i'm just wondering if any of you have considered that maybe Xbox isn't for you??
I wasn't paying close enough attention on the forums pre Xbox One launch, were there many leaks on the launch line up?
I'm really curious to see if MS partners up for a bunch of launch exclusives again, or if they will rely on their new in-house studios
I'm really curious to see if MS partners up for a bunch of launch exclusives again, or if they will rely on their new in-house studios
I honestly agree completely I think they should focus on making AAA games like God of War or Spider-man, Horizon Zero Dawn, and The Last of Us.. I really want a game like HZD. I love the caliber of Sony and the funny thing is Microsoft has so much more money than them yet hasn't had a new AAA game in ages. I miss the Microsoft that took risks with Mass Effect and Gears of War. I really want Microsoft to make the next Mass Effect. I honestly don't hate Microsoft at all been a huge supporter since the OG Xbox but it gets annoying hearing all the other platform fans say "Xbox has no games". Lastly, I just want Microsoft to go into next gen destroying the competition with AAA new IP's.
I'll never not be irritated by the short-termism of some gamers.
They see X and immediately think X is all there is ever going to be ever again.
Also, even if Gears 5 wasn't your bag, it's so clearly going for the modern SP AAA kinda deal (but with co op too, oh noes, choices). Whether you liked it or not is irrelevant to that fact.
They see X and immediately think X is all there is ever going to be ever again.
Also, even if Gears 5 wasn't your bag, it's so clearly going for the modern SP AAA kinda deal (but with co op too, oh noes, choices). Whether you liked it or not is irrelevant to that fact.
completely agree. nice to see some more push back against this wave of negative energy in here. we just had an epic x0! let's ride that hype at least a LITTLE while before it reverts back to doom and gloom lmao. we get that everywhere else enough already.
What a terrible way of looking at the games industry.
It is great if a games sells 10 million plus copies, but that is not what should be the defining factor. What should define great games is their quality. Microsoft has the best exclusive shooters on console in Gears and Halo, they have the best racing games in Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport.
In Obsidian, they have a developer that has released a critically acclaimed game that seems to be doing great according to Private Division, and they have been expanding their teams to better tackle areas that they have lacked this generation.
What I see is some balance that you do not see in the other platforms in the first party space, and Microsoft does not get the benefit of really trying their best to diversify their offering.
Look at what they didnt show.....
Compulsion
Undead Labs
Playground FH
Playground RPG
343i Infinite
The Coalition Tactics
Double Fine
The Initiative
inXile other teams
Obsidian other teams
Ninja Theory other teams
Edit, I forgot Turn10 :D
Compare the end of the 360 lifecycle compared to the XB1's. I dont think Xbox Game Studios have ever been in a stronger position, ever.
All on Game Pass playable on dedicated hardware and xCloud, its fucking insane :)
Compulsion
Undead Labs
Playground FH
Playground RPG
343i Infinite
The Coalition Tactics
Double Fine
The Initiative
inXile other teams
Obsidian other teams
Ninja Theory other teams
Edit, I forgot Turn10 :D
Compare the end of the 360 lifecycle compared to the XB1's. I dont think Xbox Game Studios have ever been in a stronger position, ever.
All on Game Pass playable on dedicated hardware and xCloud, its fucking insane :)
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Dont forget new publishing titles also. They even mentioned it there is growth there also. Wich was also needed. And we even got one with Tell me why.
Think we see quite alot of those next gen.
good lord. they are so stacked. how anyone can deny it is incredible to me. look at that list. look at that talent.
And I forgot Turn10, too many studios and too many games lol.
Yup. A game can be both AAA SP and have MP (like doesn't RDR2 or TLOU have both?).
Also, I keep repeating this - the new Studios Microsoft has are only 1-2 years old. It takes time to develop AAA games.
now *that's* a fresh take.
again, it's unrealistic to expect all this so soon after they beefed up their studios and are gearing up for next gen. we gotta develop a little more patience, and a dash of optimism.
Its insane to see how many awesome stuff is coming. Its definitely going to be the platform I play the biggest number of new games in 2020, and I wont have spend any more money to do so.
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