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Got to be honest, I'm lost on the current discussion that's happening. If people want Sony style games, why don't they buy a PlayStation? Room in the market for both consoles to offer something different (room in the market for at least 3 consoles!).
1st Party needs to offer diversity, true, and that can include 3rd person 'cinematic' games but if someone bought an Xbox then came on here saying they wanted Xbox to be more like Nintendo - think most would just question why that person bought an Xbox in the first place.
I like that the three consoles are offering something different, so don't get the push for Xbox to be like Sony. Yeah, Sony games get a lot of attention but so do Nintendo games, as they have their own identity that attracts its own audience.
During much of the Xbox One generation, Xbox lost its identity but with games like: Sea of Thieves, Forza Horizon, and Halo Infinite - not to mention Game Pass, they are building it back up - and it is turning heads and getting more attention on Xbox again. Once the big RPGs that Xbox has lined up start releasing, they will have a lot of eyes on them.
Also, let studios play to their strengths. Sony are well placed to create the types of games they do, as they have the studios and the support network set up for it. Chasing trends rarely works out, look at Sony during a lot of the PS3 era - releasing a bunch of FPS games that didn't get half the attention or acclaim as Halo.
1st Party needs to offer diversity, true, and that can include 3rd person 'cinematic' games but if someone bought an Xbox then came on here saying they wanted Xbox to be more like Nintendo - think most would just question why that person bought an Xbox in the first place.
I like that the three consoles are offering something different, so don't get the push for Xbox to be like Sony. Yeah, Sony games get a lot of attention but so do Nintendo games, as they have their own identity that attracts its own audience.
During much of the Xbox One generation, Xbox lost its identity but with games like: Sea of Thieves, Forza Horizon, and Halo Infinite - not to mention Game Pass, they are building it back up - and it is turning heads and getting more attention on Xbox again. Once the big RPGs that Xbox has lined up start releasing, they will have a lot of eyes on them.
Also, let studios play to their strengths. Sony are well placed to create the types of games they do, as they have the studios and the support network set up for it. Chasing trends rarely works out, look at Sony during a lot of the PS3 era - releasing a bunch of FPS games that didn't get half the attention or acclaim as Halo.
Even though I frequent the PS OT, it is entertaining to see how familiar the discussions are here. "What genre of games are Xbox missing? Who will Microsoft buy next? What unannounced games are in development? There's gotta be another showcase coming up, right?" Replace Xbox and Microsoft with Sony and PlayStation and you have the PS OT. We all want something new to talk about and our patience often grows thin as we hover around the keyboard all day. Sometimes you just gotta take a break and play some games. Game Pass has a lot to choose from, after all. It is going be a very exciting generation with both MS and Sony making big moves to make their platforms stronger. Let's have fun with that instead of worrying about something we can't control.
Microsoft has acquired, what, 15 studios over the course of the past 4 years and are primed to have a console generation with the most ambitious first party lineup that the industry has ever seen and people are still unhappy. Lol.
That's not to say that there aren't gaps in the Xbox that Microsoft could aim to fill…but let's not discredit their already incredible attempt to do so. Each OEM has gaps in their portfolio. For as much as people want a "Sony" game in this thread, the PS OT has the same amount of people hoping for just one of the ~9 RPGs MS has in development.
People just need to relax, it'll be a great generation for everybody.
That's not to say that there aren't gaps in the Xbox that Microsoft could aim to fill…but let's not discredit their already incredible attempt to do so. Each OEM has gaps in their portfolio. For as much as people want a "Sony" game in this thread, the PS OT has the same amount of people hoping for just one of the ~9 RPGs MS has in development.
People just need to relax, it'll be a great generation for everybody.
the reason why we go round with these arguments is because people tend to respond in bad faith.
People go "Guys, third person, cinematic, graphically rich games are what a large section of the market seems to love. It'd be great if Xbox makes (or shows off) some more of that" and for some weird reason, folks take it as an attack on xbox or (like you're doing) a claim that Microsoft's games aren't diverse.
90% of the time, these are well meaning suggestions.
This is a bit ridiculous. Don't know why there is constant comparisons between line-ups, and shitting on the other side. I see it on both ends; "PS only has 3rd person walking simulators", "Xbox only has FPS games". As if a specific camera perspective is all that matters with respect to a games diversity, genre, gameplay, or tone.
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Lmao yup. "Paging PlanetSmasher"
They are..? Compulsion's new game is third person, Fable is third person, Gears is third person, Hellblade 2 is third person, Indiana Jones is likely third person. That's five games and we haven't even gotten into some games offering multiple perspectives.
Do they have as many has Sony? No. Just like Sony has no answer to Microsoft's western RPGs like Elder Scrolls or Starfield or FPS like Halo and Doom or RTS like Halo Wars 2 and Age of Empires.
No one is saying they shouldn't invest in third person games and they are. They could even be investing more and it would be great, but they need to define what makes Xbox unique. And as I said in my previous post, they are, by not doing everything the same way as the other guys.
They are however, even if they're a seperate entity and that's very important in helping defining what Xbox is. They need to get to the point where people ask, why aren't Sony doing the kind of games Microsoft is? They were there previously with Xbox Live, XBLA, titles like Halo, Gears, Bioshock and Mass Effect. Not everything done in-house, but with stuff associated with Xbox. This is what they need again, not necessarily the same type of titles or genres, but things that make people ask "hmm, why isn't that on Playstation?".
For now we still haven't felt the full weight of the Zenimax acquisition since titles like Deathloop, Quake, Ghostwire Tokyo aren't exclusive (well, timed to PS5 :)) and there still hasn't been an ID shooter or a Bethesda single player RPG or even a mindshare driver like an exclusive Arkane game. That'll take time, but it will happen eventually.
There will always be gaps. I listed five third person games above and obviously they could have more. No one is saying otherwise and if they have more cash on top of the 10+ billion they spent since the Minecraft acquisition, sure, start filling out the gaps. The reality is, any first party has gaps, even more so if five games isn't enough to plug the hole, but this time they also have clear strengths in many areas, their competitors are leaving gaps.
This I wholeheartedly agree with. Production value and polish is what some of those Xbox first party games lack.
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gears 6, hellblade 2, compulsion's next, plague tale 2 day on gp.... what more do people want lol.
Oh god, kill me now.
Jez's hinting on Compulsion's next game got me hyped. Really excited for that studio and what they're able to achieve with the proper funding/resources.
They had five studios in 2018 (Rare, Mojang, 343i, Coalition and Turn 10), before they started buying and building. They spent 10+ billion since the Minecraft acquisition and today has the largest first party in the industry with 23 studios.
People begged them for more single player games and they now have titles like Doom, Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Starfield exclusively and studios like Arkane, Obsidian and inxile working for Xbox. They're bringing back legacy titles like Perfect Dark and Fable. And they're almost giving Game Pass away due to the conversion trick allowing up to three years of Gold to become Game Pass Ultimate.
Yes, they're in a transition phase, so not everything has come to fruition yet, but this is the strongest Xbox has ever been in terms of structure and line-up.
Ya know, when you lay it out like this, we really have come a long way.
Feels good.
I think what Compulsion really needed was financial safety in order to actually have a vision for their game. We Happy Few suffered BECAUSE it was crowdsourced. Once they revealed the game at E3, they realized what was promised through the campaign and what everyone wanted more of were drastically different things (one promised a randomized survival game and the other essentially pushed for a narrative experience in an interesting world).
These clashed on release and it explains why the game seemed to not know what it wanted to be. Then came the DLCs which heavily shifted towards the latter and generally are viewed as what We Happy Few really was meant to be. The final DLC "We all fall down" was fantastic and if they really cement themselves into making interesting worlds with interesting characters and stories, I think they will do great.
I actually love that MS has a very strong "social style" or shared-with-others gaming experiences. I tend to find gaming more enjoyable with others than alone. It is hard to have these shared experiences with certain types of games. I do not mean to take a way how much others enjoy them, though.
People just want to see them show the games. And by games, I mean exclusives other than the big 3 (Halo, Gears, Forza). They have a lot in development and I'm sure when that happens, people will shut up. But we have to see something (that isn't CGI). Until that happens, the talks will continue
And it doesn't need to be a full in-depth gameplay show like Horizon 2 got. A simple gameplay montage like Forspoken or GOW: Ragnarok got is enough.
But theres games thats been in development for 3+ years that we haven't seen anything of
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It was last Friday in his info dump on the Xbox Two pod. If I remember right, he said something like he wasn't hyped for Compulsion's game before but he has heard some stuff recently that made him VERY hyped for it. I think he was hinting at a bigger budget and possibly setting/gameplay of it.
Does that screen have haptic feedback for the button presses?
I think we can probably discuss these topics without resorting to takes like "Sony only make movie games", which often look a bit warry. Let's not do that please.
Let's also not accuse thread regulars of posting in bad faith because you disagree with them, either. By all means, disagree. But be civil, please.
In other news, my copy of Lost Judgment turned up today!
You know what, this is a great idea. canderous do you mind if I threadmark your post on Game Pass conversion rates? It's a good thing to have easily at hand.
Let's also not accuse thread regulars of posting in bad faith because you disagree with them, either. By all means, disagree. But be civil, please.
In other news, my copy of Lost Judgment turned up today!
You know what, this is a great idea. canderous do you mind if I threadmark your post on Game Pass conversion rates? It's a good thing to have easily at hand.
I have a Surface Duo and it does have this feature for games with touch controls. It works fine, the software is a little fucky in terms of rotating and spanning, but hopefully they'll fix that. It's a neat feature, especially if you don't want to carry extra shit. I recently bought an old 2nd hand iPhone and a backbone grip and I kind of prefer that as a portable gaming device, but if I'm not going on a long or planned trip, the Duo with Touch controls still works and I'll always have it with me.
Honestly, I just need the dual screens for reading manga and watching YouTube.
Gaming is a bonus.
yeps, and plenty of big production and cinematic games in there also :)
can you really blame them when Sony keeps moneyhatting some of the biggest AAA jrpgs for the foreseeable future. All MS needs to do is fund a sequel to LO or a brand new IP or just create a studio to tackle the genre.
Minecraft Tamers. A turn based party based, Monster collecting RPG. Fight alongside tamed monsters, both familiar and new, craft weapons and armor for yourself and for your new friends, collect resources to restore and customize your home village, and save the world from...something with a pun in its name.
There's my pitch.
I don't blame anyone, I'm part of that same group of people lol
But yeah, LO2 is my dream game!
I'll never forget that first E3 trailer for We Happy Few, and being astounded/impressed by the tone they had constructed for the game. I ultimately never got around to playing We Happy Few - really need to do that
To be honest, I don't even know if Playstation is moneyhatting them. May just be that the publishers feel there is little incentive to bring them to Xbox unless they have a corresponding Game Pass agreement (with the cash that brings)
I mean Xbox has 3P/FP/RPG/SIM/RACER/INDIES/STRATEGY/MMO/MOBILE games, so yeah they are good :)
and if more studios come along and they want to do more 3P, thats all good too :)
Speaking of the better diversity of Xbox 1st party.
Jez Corden again recently reiterated his knowledge of Mojang working on 2 distinct projects that aren't Minecraft or Dungeons. I wonder what event/when they'd get revealed.
Is minecon in and of itself big enough? TGAs?
Or just leave it for e3?
Jez Corden again recently reiterated his knowledge of Mojang working on 2 distinct projects that aren't Minecraft or Dungeons. I wonder what event/when they'd get revealed.
Is minecon in and of itself big enough? TGAs?
Or just leave it for e3?
I agree, I think they had an awesome trailer that put WAY too much attention on a game that they weren't ready to deliver.
I played it after years of patches with DLC and thought it was amazing.
He basically said he's heard info on what they're working on and is VERY interested in it now. Didn't want to leak it or anything, but that it caught his attention.
I can't wait for more, loved We Happy Few
Mojang working on projects not Minecraft related would be pretty surprising, but very welcome. Or they'd be different genres using the Minecraft IP like Dungeons?
We Happy Few after the patches, the DLC, and on Series X hardware is a very fun game. Feels like a late gen 360 game to me. Has some dated mechanics and gameplay, but the writing and world are so great. It's a wonderful experience, I think.
If I am looking for a singleplayer story experience, you think its worthwhile?
Remember New Game 1.exe and New Game 2.exe when they revealed their new Logo(?)
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