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Xbox Game Pass is the best thing to happen to gaming
- Thread starter Dr. Doom
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Which means future games will ship even more barebones so developers can grab that DLC and mtx cash.
No joke, GamePass is going to be another shitty turning point for video games. I get that people are loving it right now, but this service is NOT good for the future of gaming. I personally hope it fails. MS keeps trying to fuck this industry up for it's own benefit because it has the money and power to do so.
Hmmm?? It doesn't have the games I want to play, like at all. why you can't take that seriously I dunno, is it hard to understand how this might not be universally appealing to everyone?
Tons of us did get 3 years for a buck, though. Why the snark when that deal is singlehandedly responsible for the explosion of subscribers and interest in GamePass? You don't get to laud how amazing/game-changing a service is while dismissing how it has largely achieved its recent success in the same breath lol
Why are you focusing on something years and years away? Why is it that instead of letting people enjoy it as it is right now, that you feel the need to bring up "sustainability" without evidence that microsoft will or will not continue things as they are? And to compare a company like Microsoft to those others no less?
I'm very excited to get an Xbox soon because I essentially have all of their games day 1 once I buy it lol. PsNow on the other hand isn't worth it for me at all because I buy a shit ton of games on my PlayStation, and I just so happen to have about 90% of the titles on the service Im interested in. I don't see the value in these services if you're already heavily invested in the ecosystem.
But how representative is that? Do you say gamepass is not reason enough on its own to a standard price to make people subscribe? There is so much talk about gamepass also in the PC community that I don't believe nobody will see the value in it if it isn't cheap as f.
It won't be long until the honeymoon phase ends and you'll get pitiful updates on Game Pass while having to subscribe to Ubi-Pass, EA-Pass, WB-Pass, 2K-Pass, ActiBlizzXi-Pass etc. for your dose of wholesome mainstream subscription gaming.
For me renting is different of buying. I don't know the impact of this for the big publishers but for the small ones it could be very bad. Lot of people just don't buy games anymore because they will be waiting for it to be free in these services. Maybe it won't be sustainable in a long term.
Still what make the service get such praise is the day 1 Microsoft games because if are you subbing to the service for the months or even years old 3rd party games then they are several ways to get those cheap equal to GamePass or even better.
So yes the service could be the best thing ever only if you are an XBox/Microsoft games fan. And I'm not faulting their excitement, I bet ya most Nintendo/Sony fans would also be happy if they had a service that offers all 1st party games day 1 for about 100 box. I would be too. But to me personally I would still not be hyperbolic and call it the best thing to happen to gaming.
Okay.. I'll going to screenshot this. It will be fun revisiting this conversation.
Literally my first post in here was lauding how awesome it is. If you want nothing but unbridled positivity, I don't know what to tell you.
You can't get 3 years of it for a dollar. You need to buy three years of Live Gold first, which is like $130. The dollar is for converting Gold to Game Pass.
Because sustainability is important for the future of gaming? There are clear implications for a service like this from a profit-driven company like MS, especially with regards to budget and monetization
If youre under the impression that my post is exclusively about you, then youre wrong.
Why not wait until that happens before worrying about all that.. cos as it stands now, Game pass is here and is delivering ultimate value. Netflix hasn't lost its subscribers yet by increasing the price of it's sub, instead they doubled down on creating their own content and have done a great job offering variety. There will always be the cheap looking stuff but there is also lots of great content. If what insiders have been saying is true then this is just the start, expect MS to double down on game pass content/offerings going forward.. They will do what it takes to keep people subbed. It isn't a sprint for them. People seem to forget the fact that Microsoft is behind this service, they will push this as hard and as long as they need to...something most of the others can't afford to do.
I have been saying this. All I will need is Scarlet on launch day. I will obviously continue with my GPU sub and I don't even need to by an extra next gen controller (thanks to MS). Gives me enough free cash to spend on the one or two 3rd party launch titles I may be interested in.
My only worry... third parties releasing half assed AAA games (with half the content it's supposed to have), just to have it on Gamepass, they get paid the millions by Microsoft to have it there, knowing you, the fan, will pay for the expansions that contains the other 50% of the game down the line. Then new releases slowly become more and more thin on content, games become more episodic in nature (because the money for publishers are the MS Millions for Gamepass + you buying expansions) and the value if a $60 game gets eroded.
Am I wrong to think this could happen if the Gamepass experiment is successful?
Am I wrong to think this could happen if the Gamepass experiment is successful?
I wouldn't say the same either :) But some takes paint a pessimistic future of that service that is sometimes although we don't know it yet. Being open minded is sometimes not a given.
Microsoft didn't invent game subscriptions though. Subscription and games have been going back since Intellivision. Even big players like Sega and Nintendo tried it out, just way ahead of their. Hell even Sony beat MS to a gamesub but they just hesitated on downloads until MS tried it. Blaming Microsoft is just short sighted, we were going to get here eventually and if its destined to bomb some other solution will come.
I love how Gamepass threads on this forum bring out all the Fanboys who come in with their hot takes on why its a bad for the industry and how it's going to ruin gaming.
You concerns in that regard were always justified. Let's have this conversation again in a few years.
The single most best thing to happen in gaming? C'mon man wtf.
And gears was good but average compared to other offerings on Switch or PS4. Cant help but feel like this is such an ott reaction to a service offering good games at a good price and thats basically it.
And gears was good but average compared to other offerings on Switch or PS4. Cant help but feel like this is such an ott reaction to a service offering good games at a good price and thats basically it.
I don't know about "best thing," but it's a pretty good deal... for now anyway. Who knows if that will remain true in a few years. I mean look at the movie/tv industry to see that it can all go to hell for consumers pretty quickly.
But I can't complain too much. Can't beat 100% free. I'll be riding that Game Pass train until at least 2021 for $0 :D
Pretty sure it was to combat Stadia, not Game Pass.
At least according to the investors, that is.
But I can't complain too much. Can't beat 100% free. I'll be riding that Game Pass train until at least 2021 for $0 :D
Pretty sure it was to combat Stadia, not Game Pass.
At least according to the investors, that is.
Questioning the long term viability of a service and how it might change the industry in a positive or negative way doesn't make you a fanboy....
Ok you guys continue to worry about that kind of stuff while i enjoy another good game to hit GP, Outer Worlds, which is getting awesome Reviews, on my PC this weekend.
Being concerned about the sustainability of our hobby for the years/decades ahead makes us fanboys? LOLI love how Gamepass threads on this forum bring out all the Fanboys who come in with their hot takes on why its a bad for the industry and how it's going to ruin gaming.
They don't, market power matters more than profit these days
What offering do Sony/Nintendo then offer that is comparable to Gears 5 then? With a comprehensive SP/Multi with free support for maps and content? Because its not Splatoon or Unchrated, they're completely different games compared to Gears.
To sum it up as doom and gloom without any data to back it up, its hard not to assume fanboy-ism.
you can keep losing money forever, the market doesnt care
It's far too early to claim that. We don't yet know what the long term ramifications of Game Pass and similar future services will or will not have on gaming as a whole.
Microsoft is most likely eating big losses at the moment in order to heavily push the service and its growth, but eventually they'll want the service to bring in more revenue and at some point be profitable. When that point arrives, we'll have a better understanding of what it entails. Though I'd agree in the mean time we as consumers are certainly benefiting.
Microsoft is most likely eating big losses at the moment in order to heavily push the service and its growth, but eventually they'll want the service to bring in more revenue and at some point be profitable. When that point arrives, we'll have a better understanding of what it entails. Though I'd agree in the mean time we as consumers are certainly benefiting.
My man it has games of all genres, spanning indie to AAA. If there is nothing that interests you on there, it's your narrow tastes rather than any indication of the quality of the service.
I love how Gamepass threads on this forum bring out all the Fanboys who come in with their hot takes on why its a bad for the industry and how it's going to ruin gaming.
Yikes. This is not it chief. Discussing the viability of subscription services especially one with a plan such as MS's is not "being a fanboy". Did you have an actual argument or just wanted to stick it to the Sonyponies and Nintendrones?
So certainly you've heard how wildly successful Netflix is, right? Did you know last year when you took all the money they made, and all the money they spent, they came up 3 billion in debt? That's not a sustainable business model, and it's the same story with music streaming services. Artists are making peanuts on those services because the business model just doesn't generate enough revenue.I love how Gamepass threads on this forum bring out all the Fanboys who come in with their hot takes on why its a bad for the industry and how it's going to ruin gaming.
If a service like Game Pass were to get very successful it would almost certainly have negative ramifications for the games industry. I subscribed for 3 years during the E3 deal, but with each passing month I realize that I kind of regret it. I don't want to encourage this business model in gaming.
Funny how the fanboys always show their asses with nonsense like this. One finger points, 3 point back and all that
On PC at least, I've ended up realizing most of the games are just a few dollars on Steam (except the 1st party releases obviously). That being said, it still is a tremendous value proposition at least on my country.
Huh? I have posted many times in other Gamepass threads on why I think it's NOT bad for the industry.
I don't even own and Xbox yet I still have my Switch and launch day ps4.
Is there a description of how the Devs receive their cut and how much?
Would it be a payment for simply being on the service and/or additional for every user playing?
Because, as the Catalog increased, surely that would mean bigger and bigger losses for MS?
Something like Spotify made 10 billion dollars but after paying royalties, ended up with a 500 million dollar loss in a recent year apparently.
I can't see this lasting. At least not for new games.
Would it be a payment for simply being on the service and/or additional for every user playing?
Because, as the Catalog increased, surely that would mean bigger and bigger losses for MS?
Something like Spotify made 10 billion dollars but after paying royalties, ended up with a 500 million dollar loss in a recent year apparently.
I can't see this lasting. At least not for new games.
Are you insinuating that I'm being a fanboy? My guy, we already have Netflix as an example of streaming services not being as financially viable as it once seemed. Now you have the video game version with MS undoubtedly eating big costs to keep it going, especially with the $1 offers and placing of day and date new titles that are taking away from unit sales. Its obvious he had no intent on discussing the topic at hand and wanted to rail against the "fanboys" in the group.
No I was talking about the dude you quoted. You're good lol
It's not about inventing subscription services, it's about MS being the super corporation who is actually able to push it on us at a huge loss for them because they can handle that huge loss. MS are the ones making this real and legit because they can. So I will absolutely blame them if this model ends up being the norm and game quality takes a huge hit because of it.
Mmm... I don't think I need data specifically for gamepass to comment on it's sustainability, and how it affects the industry because it's model isn't new in other industries.
It makes me worried how it would have permanently changed the industry, by the time they want to actually start making a profit on this though. It is a valid concern.
Right and we all know who those type of people are lol.I love how Gamepass threads on this forum bring out all the Fanboys who come in with their hot takes on why its a bad for the industry and how it's going to ruin gaming.
Without Game Pass I would never try out a game like The Outer Worlds on PC for free*