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Windrunner

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The Xbox One is by far the best way to play 360 games, enabling a bevy of improvements including 16x AF, higher frame rates, V-Sync, as well as rendering in 4K for some games. However not every game is compatible, most notably many delisted games, the excellent library of Japanese scrolling shooters and all games that require Kinect. The Xbox One has also never been hacked and while Developer Mode opens up some homebrew possibilities, enabling it comes with some drawbacks. This is where the trusty old 360 comes in, as the perfect stablemate for your Xbox One, filling in the gaps it can't fill.

Hardware

We have 3 choices here: Jasper revision OG Xbox 360, Xbox 360 Slim and Xbox 360 E. It's not recommended to get anything older due to fundamental design flaws in earlier Xbox 360s.

OG Xbox 360, Jasper revision

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This is the only original model 360 that is worth bothering with. Courtesy of a die shrink on the GPU down to 65nm, the infamous Red Ring of Death is a thing of the past with this revision. These are easily identifiable: if the amperage of the system is 12.1A and the power supply is 150W you got yourself a Jasper. These started becoming available at the end of 2008 and were available as Arcade (white DVD drive tray), Pro (chrome DVD drive tray) and Elite models (black system with chrome DVD drive tray).

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Has stood the test of time: is considered to be very reliable operating at reasonable temperatures whatever the load
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A modded system will boot immediately

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No WiFi although WiFi adaptors are fairly cheap now
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No Kinect port so you'll need the power adaptor for it
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Can be a bit loud although not nearly as bad as the models that came before it

Xbox 360 Slim

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Revealed at and made available shortly after E3 2010, this combined the CPU and the GPU onto one die at 45nm. With a dedicated Kinect port, the Kinect can be powered directly from the console without occupying another wall socket.

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Is very quiet
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Has the full complement of ports
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Finally introduced built-in WiFi

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Longer boot-time for modded systems
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Some question marks regarding reliability with more people getting the red light of death lately

Xbox 360 E

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Introduced alongside the Xbox One at E3 2013, this model's aesthetics owe much to its younger brother while also carrying over many of the improvements the previous Slim model made. For a long time these 360s were not able to be hacked but that has since changed.

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Is very quiet
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Seems reliable

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Longer boot times for modded systems
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Is missing the proprietary multi-out port ruling out VGA and RGB SCART output
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Is also missing the optical audio port


All of these are solid choices, there's no perfect solution here. Personally I have a modded Jasper Xbox 360 and an unmodified Slim Xbox 360 to cover all my bases.

Modding and homebrew

There are two mods for the Xbox 360: flashing the DVD drive's firmware to allow burned games to be played and the Reset Glitch Hack (RGH). The primary function of DVD drive flashing is piracy as such it will not be discussed here. The RGH however opens up the system completely, allowing unsigned code to be executed, and thus, homebrew. For an explanation of how the Xbox 360's security was defeated, Modern Vintage Gamer has an excellent video explaining in detail the ins and outs.

Performing the RGH is outside the scope of this topic but there are plenty of guides on Youtube. If you don't feel able to do it yourself, there are plenty of modders out there who will do it for you.

So what are the benefits?
  • Region free gaming: the 360 is unfortunately region locked and while some games are region free, most aren't, locking western gamers out of some exceptional Japanese exclusives
  • Full file system access: your DVD drive dies? No problem, just FTP into your system or connect external storage
  • Emulators: the 360 emulation scene is exceptional, giving you a HDMI connected arcade box compatible with all your 360 controllers
  • Run your disk based games off the HDD without needing your disks to perform a license check
  • Removing the whitelist for OG Xbox games allowing you to attempt to boot games not officially sanctioned by Microsoft (with mixed results)

To get up and running once you've got your modified machine there are some app installs that should be prioritised:

The first thing you should install on your modded 360 is XeXMenu. This will grant you full access to the 360's file system and from there we can install additional homebrew or custom dashboards. Just format a USB stick using your 360, copy across XeXMenu using your computer to the "Content" folder on the USB stick (enable hidden files if you can't see it), plug the USB stick back into the 360 and copy XeXMenu to the 360 itself (it will show up in the Demos section of your USB stick's storage). Once you've done all that you can run XeXMenu from your installed games section.

The second bit of homebrew you want is DashLaunch. This will assign certain settings on boot including which dashboard the console will boot to, allow you to install plug-ins and allow you to block the Xbox Live DNS so that your system won't get banned!

Aurora is the best 3rd party dashboard for everyday use. If you liked the way Wii HDD loaders presented your games library with cascading 3D cases then you'll love this. It has built-in FTP functionality, a file browser, the ability to rip disc based games (and then boot them without the disc), download title updates and more.

General tips

To access your digital library you need to do it from the console itself.
Unfortunately Microsoft removed the ability to check your 360 library from the web. From the 360 dashboard go to Settings > Account > Download History.

Whichever 360 you buy, the loudest component will be the DVD drive. Wherever possible it's best to install your games onto the HDD after which your disk will act merely as a license key and not cause the drive to spin up. Some games might exhibit problems or come with installation DVDs but for 99% of 360 games, this is what you should do before even playing the game. A modded 360 won't require a license check so you can keep your disks safely tucked away!

Even stock 360s are compatible with external storage. Connect any thumb drive or a HDD up to 2TB in size and away you go.

Xbox 360 is backwards compatible with some OG Xbox games but it's no great shakes. Expect frame rate issues, graphical glitches and LOTS of audio bugs. Just buy an OG Xbox if you want to play its games. Unless you have a modified 360, you will need an official HDD formatted with a partition that houses the emulator and space for the games to cache data.

If you have an active Xbox Live Gold subscription you will have access to Cloud Saves. Unlike on Xbox One this is a paid for feature but with this you can play on the same save file whether you're playing on 360 or Xbox One! Always use it for all your games even those that aren't backwards compatible: you never know what will happen once Scarlett is released.

Games redeemed via Games with Gold are yours to keep forever. It seems Microsoft didn't foresee needing to have license expiration on the 360 so redeeming games offered on GWG is no different to buying them.

360 games that aren't BC on Xbox One (crowd sourced from XboxEra):

While hope springs eternal for next year and Scarlett's launch, some games are never going to be made BC for licensing reasons, publisher intransigence, companies going bust and a myriad of other reasons. Here's some you might want to look at.

  • 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand
  • After Burner Climax (delisted)
  • Akai Katana
  • Amped 3
  • Anarchy Reigns
  • Armored Core 4, For Answer, 5, Verdict Day
  • Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel
  • Bangai-O HD
  • Beautiful Katamari
  • Bionic Commando: Rearmed
  • Binary Domain
  • Blacksite Area 51
  • Blazing Angels II: Secret Missions of WWII
  • Blood Drive
  • Bodycount
  • Bullet Witch
  • Condemned 2
  • Culdcept Saga
  • DOA4
  • Darkstalkers Resurrection
  • Dark Sector
  • Deathsmiles
  • Deathsmiles IIX
  • Dodonpachi Resurrection
  • Eschatos
  • Espgaluda II
  • F.E.A.R., Files, 2, 3
  • Forza Motorsport 2, 3, 4
  • Fracture
  • Full Auto
  • Guitar Hero (series)
  • H.A.W.X 2
  • Hour of Victory
  • Import Tuner Challenge
  • Ketsui
  • Legendary
  • Max Payne 3
  • Mushihime-sama Futari
  • Naughty Bear
  • Nier
  • Ninja Blade
  • Outrun Online Arcade (delisted)
  • Over-G Fighters
  • PGR3
  • PGR4
  • Project Sylpheed
  • Raiden Fighters Aces
  • Record of Agarest War
  • Remember Me
  • Ridge Racer 6
  • Rise of the Argonauts
  • Rock Band (series)
  • Shaun White Snowboarding
  • Singularity
  • Skate 2
  • Soul Calibur IV, V
  • Stoked
  • Stranglehold
  • Street Fighter X Tekken
  • Tetris: The Grand Master Ace
  • The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena
  • The Club
  • Time Shift
  • Tony Hawk (series)
  • Turning Point: Fall of Liberty
  • Turok
  • Velvet Assassin
  • Vigilante 8 Arcade
  • Virtua Tennis 3, 2009, 4
  • WET
  • Wolfenstein (2009)
  • X-Men Origins Wolverine

Kinect:

  • Dance Central 1, 2, 3
  • Fable: The Journey
  • Fruit Ninja
  • Kinect Sports
  • Kinect Sports Season 2
  • Puss in Boots
  • Rise of Nightmares
  • The Gunstringer

Useful Links

TrueAchievements
MajorNelson.com XB1 backwards compatibility list
List of Xbox games compatible with Xbox 360 (Wikipedia)

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Greets to MauroNL, Klobrille and all the frauds on the XboxEra Discord server.
 
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To come: some screenshots, more links, better wording and a better png for the 360 E.
 

Runwhiteboyrun

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Oct 27, 2017
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What a great great great thread. I've had an RGH Xbox stashed away for a long time. Think it's time to unpack it. X-Men Origins and Katamari are calling.
 

Stopdoor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Neat, I was kind of hoping I'd get a better idea of how hard it is to hack it though, now I'd have to research more lol. How much effort does this RGH take?

My main use case would probably just be save backup, it's ultra dumb how you can't transfer/backup original Xbox saves.

Man, I wish my (at the time new) 360 E model was as quiet as you say. I think I got unlucky because it seems to rattle or something unless I put pressure down on certain spots, it's a drag. Couldn't bring myself to bother playing roulette with other ones to try to replace it.
 

etta

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Oct 27, 2017
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Xbox 360 S remains the sexiest and most fun console ever made. I can still hear the startup sound and scrolling through that new dashboard that it came with.
loved that healthy grass green colour.
 

Hardvlade

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Oct 27, 2017
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Excellent OT! I got two of these (Jasper RGH and the Trinity RGH w/ Star Wars Shell). I still love going back to play them. If you have a CronusMax, you can use a DS4 or a Xbox controller with it. You can also add any 2.5" 2TB internal drive without any special formatting.

The S is probably one of my favorite designs ever made.
 

Rob

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Oct 25, 2017
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Would a modded 360 allow me to play my XBLA games? Really I just want to back up 360 games on an external drive so I have instant access to them.
 

StillEdge

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Oct 29, 2017
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Is there a similar thread for OG Xbox I just picked one up.

you can mod the new slims? I have the Halo 4 one collecting dust somewhere.
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
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Still won't get rid of my 360 due to PGR and NCAA Football never being backwards compatibility options.
 

Mecha Meister

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The Xbox 360 is one of my favourite games consoles of all time!

Me and my siblings went through about 3 of them IIRC due to the RROD, and have had the last one for the past 9 years! Sometimes we still use it!

It's an Xbox 360 Elite.
I'm not entirely sure what revision it is as I haven't checked its model number, however since it's lasted 9+ years I'm under the impression it's a Jasper model.

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SoH

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Oct 25, 2017
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I imported pretty late so I ended up with a Japanese 360 E which I love as the smaller form factor works pretty great as an imports focused machine.
 

daninthemix

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Nov 2, 2017
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The sole reason I got an RGH Slim was so I could use trainers - Aurora has a massive trainer pack with some really, really fun cheats.
 

nilbog

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have the Xbox 360 E, but had no idea you could do all the homebrew stuff on it. Cool.
 

Chettlar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Xbox 360 S remains the sexiest and most fun console ever made. I can still hear the startup sound and scrolling through that new dashboard that it came with.
loved that healthy grass green colour.

And boy is the matte 4GB version sweet. Pair it with a 500GB HDD and woof. Potential. I always take good care of mine. Hope it lasts for a while yet. Legitimately would be proud to have that displayed in an entertainment system set up for years to come. Favorite console ever. I wish I had disposable income to just have a spare or two in new condition.
 

Pitchfork

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Oct 28, 2017
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I still have my Gears 3 Crimson omen 360 slim sitting on my av shelf. Stunning looking piece of hardware and still running fine
 

whiteninja

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Oct 27, 2017
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Had my rgh slim for years now (although i havnt booted it up in a while). One thing i did was change the fan curve since the default setting runs way too hot for my taste. I think you can change it in dashlaunch.
 

retrosega

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Jun 14, 2019
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Still got my mat black 250GB slim model boxed up. Love the 360.
I'd like to mod it but not sure if I have the skill to be successful. :)
 

Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't touched my RGH in years. I used to mod Halo for fun.

It was a dual boot system too so it could switch to a non modded dashboard and play online.
 

horkrux

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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean THE MS emulators for backwards compatibility. People can inject games into the OG Xbox emu for the 360. I want that but for both OG and 360 on X1X.

They'd be useless to us, since they work with converted binaries. It's all on MS whether we can play a particular game on this system or not.

360 was different, but that's also why it's shit
 
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Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is there a way to hack these but also still earn Achievements in games on my main Xbox account?
I think if you play a game that has trainers or something like that it can be detected on the profile and get gamerscore reset or straight up banned. It's been a while but I wouldn't risk it.

You can earn achievements on normal games on a hacked Xbox though. You just need to recover your profile on a normal Xbox and put it on a flash drive. Then you can plug it into the hacked Xbox and sign in and get achievements then transfer it back to the normal Xbox and go online to register that you earned them.

But if you do this you need to make sure you do not have your gamertag signed in until you are on the main menu of a game. Your gamertag can have traces of xexmenu and other hacked dashboard things if you're signed in before launching a game. Even if your game crashes back to the modded dashboard you need to basically delete the profile and restart by recovering it again on the normal Xbox.
 

Storm

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Oct 25, 2017
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One thing to note in OP, non glossy slims and E models have issues with the Guitar Hero games. If you're interested in playing them make sure to get a Jasper or Glossy Slim, otherwise you'll be hit with a nasty desync bug that makes longer songs unplayable
 
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One thing to note in OP, non glossy slims and E models have issues with the Guitar Hero games. If you're interested in playing them make sure to get a Jasper or Glossy Slim, otherwise you'll be hit with a nasty desync bug that makes longer songs unplayable

Strange. Something to do with the 4GB NAND?
 

Storm

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Strange. Something to do with the 4GB NAND?

I believe they changed an audio chip or something in a later revision? It causes the audio to drift from the video while you play. Making Guitar Hero 3/Aerosmith/World Tour/Metallica/Smash Hits/5/Van Halen/Band Hero and WoR significantly less enjoyable on those models.

Here's a video that shows it pretty well, since you can hear the noise of the drums being hit.
 
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Windrunner

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I believe they changed an audio chip or something in a later revision? It causes the audio to drift from the video while you play. Making Guitar Hero 3/Aerosmith/World Tour/Metallica/Smash Hits/5/Van Halen/Band Hero and WoR significantly less enjoyable on those models.

Here's a video that shows it pretty well, since you can hear the noise of the drums being hit.

Oh the removal of the HANA chip on the Corona boards possibly.
 

F34R

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Oct 27, 2017
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I still have the original Elite 360, black. My main systems I still use are the Gears Limited, Halo Reach Limited, and my white Jasper.
 

Shane M

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Jan 1, 2018
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I believe they changed an audio chip or something in a later revision? It causes the audio to drift from the video while you play. Making Guitar Hero 3/Aerosmith/World Tour/Metallica/Smash Hits/5/Van Halen/Band Hero and WoR significantly less enjoyable on those models.

Here's a video that shows it pretty well, since you can hear the noise of the drums being hit.

So Guitar Hero II is still fine?
 

Runwhiteboyrun

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
1,057
I need to look into how to load the dev stuff on the RGH. There are some cool alpha/betas/unreleased stuff like Battlefront 3 I want to mess around with.