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WWE stars "stuck" in Saudi Arabia after Crown Jewel PPV
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There is information. Wrestlers weren't allowed to leave the country and it had nothing to do with the plane or weather. What else do people need to know to know this is a shitty situation that an employer should never leave their workers in.
I love that the whole point of these stupid things was to say "look, we're not loons who'll just murder or kidnap you on a whim anymore! We're different! We're hip and up to date, come work with us!"
Now the message seems to be "Hey, at the very least we'll only go back to our loony kidnapping ways after three or four shows!"
Now the message seems to be "Hey, at the very least we'll only go back to our loony kidnapping ways after three or four shows!"
Finding your apology a bit disingenuous when you immediately double down on the judgmental rhetoric in the apology.
This woulnt't be a shrewd asset, unless he owned a private airline.
Most people that fly private charter flights as needed. They don't own the planes
the only real information added since the OP is that it sounds like Vince McMahon didn't actually leave after the rest of the talent was stopped, resulting in 2 pages of redundant shitting on him for abandoning them after he found out they were fucked.
Ah, maybe I wasn't clear.
I was saying it serves the WWE right (IE, corporate, not the talent).
There is a wrestling thread on the front page every fucking day.
Wrestling is weird entertainment. But people here and elsewhere like it. We appreciate many of the performers. They don't do it to be ironic. They do it because they love it.
What do you mean the talent doesn't have a choice? Other's have refused to go. Hell, technically, they're not even employees - they're contract workers. They absolutely have choices on the matter.
I don't think it matters whether he knew before he left. He took his workers to a country that he could not guarantee that they could safely leave. That is inexcusable.
Vince, Steph, and Hunter are still pieces of shit. Him staying back doesn't change that story
They willing took money from the saudi government in exchange for being a propaganda arm for them. They're souless, awful people.
Only people with actual pull in the company like Cena and Bryan can refuse.
Hope the talent makes it out okay, fuck WWE for putting them in this situation in the first place.
So wait this is not a technical or logistic problem but they are forbidden to leave ? humm.. Sounds problematic to me, i mean even if that's the government decision, you don't keep people from leaving your country like that if they are not under arrest or something ..
I'm always worried that collaboration with this country ends in a drama, especially when you hear isis has voiced his anger with the situation before and you're not sure what are their relation with the government exactly, or how the security is handled etc.. This is a messy environment.
In a way we all agree those "advancements" are pr bullshit, but at the same time, you can be sure some people in that region are not happy at all with wwe being there.
And Kevin Owens i guess ? But that always makes me think, why aren't more people deciding to say no then if he can.. That said when you think about it it could very well stop his long term push. I mean what if he's champion and he don't go at Crown Jewel ? You need the champion there for a match..
I'm always worried that collaboration with this country ends in a drama, especially when you hear isis has voiced his anger with the situation before and you're not sure what are their relation with the government exactly, or how the security is handled etc.. This is a messy environment.
In a way we all agree those "advancements" are pr bullshit, but at the same time, you can be sure some people in that region are not happy at all with wwe being there.
And Kevin Owens i guess ? But that always makes me think, why aren't more people deciding to say no then if he can.. That said when you think about it it could very well stop his long term push. I mean what if he's champion and he don't go at Crown Jewel ? You need the champion there for a match..
Yes, of course, on paper, they have choices, and I'm not casting this in some black or white stance, but sometimes that takes a backseat to necessity, perceived or real.
Many of them aren't skilled in other industries, many of them aren't people that AEW would be interested in, many of them aren't the type of workrate style wrestlers that the indies or Japan will pay large sums for, etc. So if it's down to food on the table, then no, many of them do not have choices, or may be under the impression (whether that's erroneous or not) that they do not have a choice.
Of course John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn can say no. I can understand why maybe a No Way Jose might not perceive themselves to have that level of sway, even if they probably could.
He did not stay. The hair being split is that he left before they did and them being held happened after he left.
I don't think he stayed. The question is did he leave before or after it became aware that a large number of his employees would not be allowed to fly.
Technically, no.
But unless they want to be stuck in catering until their contracts run out, then yes, they can't refuse.
Daniel Bryan and Kevin Owens are the only ones I believe who refused to go who don't have to worry about not being welcome in Saudi (like Sami Zain, cause of his Syrian heritage) or have a movie career to think about (John Cena).
Of course the women don't have to worry cause lol Saudi Arabia.
Yep... honestly though.. I'm not sure I'd go into a situation like that for my job. Problem is it takes some bravery to just quit your job too (which is scarier, definitely losing your job or possibility of a worse fate in another country but it's not a definite). I really can't blame the wrestlers for making that choice. I'd blame Vince for effectively blackmailing them into it.
Yeah it's a tough choice and for a lot of the mid/low card wrestlers that's a WrestleMania level payday right there.
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You have to understand something about WrestleEra, it's selective moral indignation. They still, by and large, love good old Stone Cold despite him beating the Hell out of multiple wives.
Sami didn't say no. Sami wasn't allowed to go due to his race.
I imagine no one wants to say too much just in case they get the stranded wrestlers in hot water with either the Saudi government or WWE.
Daniel Bryan v Bayley v Liv Morgan in a 120-minute iron(person?) match for tonight's Smackdown. Book it.
Same for Aleister Black, right? Didn't they not want him coming because of his tattoos?
Everyone is making jokes, but I'm worried for everyone stuck there especially Natty and Lacey. Was there any confirmation on which twelve wrestlers left? I wonder if they stuck everyone they planned on using tonight on that first flight. That'd mean New Day, Revival, Corbin, Reigns, and Wyatt were out of there at the very least. I'm not sure who was on the show because I don't watch these shows.
Right, that's my bad, I mixed something up. I think I crossed wires with Daniel Bryan going to the first one but not the subsequent ones over my memory of Sami. Although he's someone I have a good feeling would probably have said no. Or at the very least donated his earnings like Ali.
And then it will come out later that day that he gave them weapons/money/both and lifted sanctions on someone else as a favor.
You could ask, but they haven't been granting any of those any time recently.
Seems like the new strategy might be to just tell people to go home. I have no info on this part, but my suspicion is that they then get them to come back by waiving the company's ability to extend their contract by the length of time they sat out.