And in the process be a permanent minority in the US Senate and eventually lose control over the judicial system as well.
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And in the process be a permanent minority in the US Senate and eventually lose control over the judicial system as well.
And they'll be losing elections while doing it because just enough voters will split between the two, while the Dem voters will remain the same.
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The Democrats would be free to go harder left if this happens as well. They wouldn't have to appeal to center right voters nearly as much to stay in power.
I don't see this fracturing the GOP so much as just formally rebranding it the Trump party. The "Patriot Party" is a laugh though, coming from the guy who dodged the draft, routinely pissed on the Constitution, mocked war heroes, destroyed trust in our institutions and most recently instigated an insurrection.
On the one hand this would obviously spoil the GOPs institutional advantage, on the other hand this could well be a monkey's paw that a few too many people might be complacent about.
well, that or the republicans caucus with them like other parties did when hitler was coming to power. but theoretically if it gave dems control of the house and senate until 2026 and the presidency until at least 2028, then there would be a lot of good done that would force republicans to actually figure out policy to run on, or they would fade out of existence as we know them.
we're seeing the end of the sixth party system. and what that really means is that the old generation is dying off and the new one is coming to power. and you have a more young/liberal/diverse democratic base and an increasingly white/young-and-radicalized/old republican base pushing us in the direction of a new party system.
The Green Party's too liberal for Trump and his ilk, and they're literally Russian plants.
The closest I can come to understanding it is that folks here have a far stronger sense of conservative's loyalty to the Republican party than I do.
I am sure most people may not be aware, but there is an existing Patriot party that is basically MAGA already
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Pretty sure that him starting a third-party would only give them more reason to convict and vote for him to be unable to pursue office during the midterms or 2024.
I'm just worried that one will eat the other and you'll just end up with a permanently more extreme GOP.
Is it possible that the Republican party couldn't survive this?
As in, Trump starts a new party and the Republicans just give up and join it, and now it's down to the Democrats and the Patriot party? Is there anything or anyone in the Republican party that could prevent them from just bending over to Trump considering they've shown for four years they're willing to do it? Would Linsdey Graham be the first to cross the aisle and join the new party, along with Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz and a bunch of others?
As in, Trump starts a new party and the Republicans just give up and join it, and now it's down to the Democrats and the Patriot party? Is there anything or anyone in the Republican party that could prevent them from just bending over to Trump considering they've shown for four years they're willing to do it? Would Linsdey Graham be the first to cross the aisle and join the new party, along with Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz and a bunch of others?
This would take several general elections, and by that time the Democrats would have been in power for a decade or more.
You're all assuming Democrats won't go Republican, especially if they start going "old school".
sure, but Trump is old. when he dies they're just gonna go back to the GOP
this would only be worth talking about for 1 or 2 cycles at most
this would only be worth talking about for 1 or 2 cycles at most
By definition he won, and the Republican party obtained a perfect trifecta, at least at first. If no Patriot Party or whatever member gets elected, at all, it's just pathetic.
Just a comment - not sure if this would be a net positive or negative in the long run either - but the United Stares will always remain a two party system without massive reform (ranked choice voting in every state would be a start, but it would need to be just the beginning). So it is different than UK in that way.
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This, no more chances. I don't want a bunch of psychos even more emboldened by having their own party without some lawful evil in charge to keep them from burning it all down.
But if it gets the Reps off their ass and puts Trump in jail, he can move ahead just long enough to trap himself.
even if that stuff gets done, Dems are still behind. there needs to be 20 years of consistent democratic power to subvert the GOP completely and what theyve done the past 40 years.
If I were Trump and wanted to do everything I can to convince GOP Senators to convict me, I would say I'm going to do this.
What's the downside?
Unless there is a convincing case that Democrats and independents are going to flee en mass to it.