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Wow, King of Fighters XII really isn't great
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Hey since this is a KoF thread, can anyone answer me this - who the heck is the kid in Terry's win pose in KoF'02? This one:
The issue is that the new high res sprites still weren't actually that high res. I remember XII getting some unfavorable comparisons with other games from the time due to that. So they just made the characters smaller on screen for XIII.
Hey since this is a KoF thread, can anyone answer me this - who the heck is the kid in Terry's win pose in KoF'02? This one:
I'm pretty sure it's Rock. He even has the red eyes.
that's RockHey since this is a KoF thread, can anyone answer me this - who the heck is the kid in Terry's win pose in KoF'02? This one:
Wait, but I though Geese wasn't dead in KoF, why is Rock with Terry? Is this a Piccolo situation?
I don't think anyone really knows
it's best not to think about it
I know that, I still prefer Ryo's KOF 96 and onwards stance lol
I'll just go with what my girlfriend said:
Basically.
Yup. They really should. I was about to check steam to see if it was on there.
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KoF is basically the Smash of SNK and follows its own rules. Everyone in it is basically from their most popular state at the time and the rules and setup of their respective games doesn't matter. It's how you have KoF Terry, Fatal Fury Geese and Garou Rock in one game (XIV) and Fatal Fury Terry with kid Rock in another (2002).
It's one of the best playing KoF games and is still being played competitively. It just suffers from delay based netcode and subpar visuals.
Look if someone kills your father you have the right to steal their kid.
In the Fatal Fury canon, when Geese was alive he still didn't gave a crap for Rock, who grew up with his mother living a modest life thinking on one day meeting him. So when his mother got ill, he went to Geese Tower asking for help, but he told him that he didn't care, so she died and Rock started hating him
So, in KOF canon, this probably went the same, with the difference that Geese is still alive
Though thanks to SNK Heroines (which I know is not canon but still happens in a timeline after XIV) we know that Geese did fall off his tower like he did in the Fatal Fury continuity, because Terry has a nightmare of that and Rock hating him.
It's best just not to think about how the timeline works.
it's basically free real estate if the dad doesn't even like the kid, right?
Geese fell from the tower at the end of FF1 and survived somehow. I guess in the KoF timeline he just survived the fall from RBFF1 too.
Critical Counter was an exceptionally bad mechanic that made the game insanely easy. It also had the worst online I've ever seen in any fighting game. It is completely beyond every game people complain about now. Even with the best connection it was like playing underwater at all times, gargantuan lag on everything. Just incredible.
I didn't cared for the hair style change Athena had and it grew on me after some time, but she has the most baffling clashing style in the game, I mean, she's the only one with the most anime face in the game (both key art and sprite) iirc and it also makes her look younger than she is.
And I don't know how to phrase this without sounding like a creep, but I like her "chubbier" appearance that she had in both XII and XIII.
And I don't know how to phrase this without sounding like a creep, but I like her "chubbier" appearance that she had in both XII and XIII.
athena's design is supposed to throwback to her original psycho soldier look, consistency be damnedI didn't cared for the hair style change Athena had and it grew on me after some time, but she has the most baffling clashing style in the game, I mean, she's the only one with the most anime face in the game (both key art and sprite) iirc and it also makes her look younger than she is.
And I don't know how to phrase this without sounding like a creep, but I like her "chubbier" appearance that she had in both XII and XIII.
12 was an unfinished product and was agreed by all to be just a beta for 13. Didn't even have a real story mode and was a glitchy mess. I think the Raiden handcuff glitch came from this thing too.
Its basically what happens when you start a project, end up vastly underestimating the budget and need to release whatever the fuck you got to try and earnback enough to finish it. Since 12 did so fuck terrible it released the complete version as a sequel not some special update full edition.
Its basically what happens when you start a project, end up vastly underestimating the budget and need to release whatever the fuck you got to try and earnback enough to finish it. Since 12 did so fuck terrible it released the complete version as a sequel not some special update full edition.
Hey now, 73 posts and no one mentioned the broken netcode the game shipped with. It was truly atrocious, horrible lag, missed inputs, dropped matches, WTF lobby system.
SNK issued a netcode patch that addressed the lag but it barely improved the situation. It's my least played KOF thanks to the small roster and netcode.
SNK issued a netcode patch that addressed the lag but it barely improved the situation. It's my least played KOF thanks to the small roster and netcode.
One of my favorite KoF ever, a stepup from KoFXIII in term of gameplay and balance in my opinion. If they keep this route for the XV with more engaging graphics (but KoF visuals doesn't bother me otherwise) and more importantly functional rollback, it will be my main game of the upcoming years, hands down.
3 steps away from being one of the best fighting games of all time. A graphics improvement, a mechanical adjust to be similar to the feel of 2K2UM, and rollback netcode would probably make it my favorite fighter ever
KoF games for PC are currently 75% off on Fanatical if anyone wants to check out the good non-XII games (97, 98, 02, 13, 14): https://www.fanatical.com/en/search?search=King of Fighters
It borrows heavily from KOF98 and 2002 making it one of the best games in the series. It's only heavily criticized because of it's artstyle and delay based netcode.
The worst part of Ryo's sprite is that he doesn't use his post KOF 96 pose.
Ryo with no Tiger Stance might as well not even exist. Fuck the original AOF style. He's got cooler hair and a cooler fighting stance here.
Yep, that killed the game for me right out of the gate. Absolutely stunning graphics for the time (still beautiful even now, HD sprites will likely always stand the test of time), but the lag and bad online systems just made it unplayable. I'd like to say they learned their lesson and did better with XIII in the online department, but it was just as bad, if not worse. XIV is an improvement in those areas, but it's still nowhere near what it should be.
How Rollback isn't mandatory for fighting games by this point just baffles me. It's been blindingly obvious forever now that delay based netcode just isn't satisfactory 90% of the time for fast paced fighting games. If SNK implemented it with all of their fighting games, they'd be nearly peerless when it came to quality online 2D fighters.
On top of what everyone else said already I personally like the massive roster that came with it on release. Especially in an age of season passes. This one still ended getting 8 DLC characters but it still released with 50.
And those so-called "HD sprites" within KOF XII & KOF XIII had nearly bankrupted SNK again, to the point in which they had to depend on pachinko machines & mobile gaming until a company called 37Games had acquired them.
A lot better than XII or XIII, just that the artstyle & the graphics & the online netcode could've been more improved.
I got burned so bad on it because I hadnt properly read up on it. I was at a time with a bit of money and time to spare, I saw a trailer that showed the incredible sprites and then impulse bought it full price the next time I was in the store. Felt so burned by the barebones of it all to the extent that it put me off considering KOFXIII until long after it had come out and was going for cheap on Steam. As has been said many times in the thread it is essentially an Open Access or Kickstarter bonus for making KOFXIII. I assume they NEEDED to have something out the door to put cash in the bank to allow them to finish the game, which is KOFXIII. Shameless but oh well.
KOF XI was the last real KOF, imho.
It's jarring to go from one of the best to one of the worst. ;(
It's jarring to go from one of the best to one of the worst. ;(
I believe the each individual character took several months to complete as well
it was real unsustainable and I'm still gobsmacked there's still people going "just go back to KOFXIII style it's ez"
You should try XIV, it might be the prettiest game, but it plays really well. And the roster is great.
If only it had good online, unless you can play with someone from your region it's not a good experience.
Never played 12 but from what I saw of it definitely seemed super limited. 13 is better than 12 in every way. Netcode for KOF games sucks though
The Come back later! Trophy unlock was hype.
I think XIV is cool. But at my age, I feel like: Why would I play XIV when I can play better KOF games, such as '96~'98+XI ?
I'll give it a try. It does look fun, and I REALLY hope for KOF's resurgence. <3
(please bring back FATAL FURY, too!)
I mean, if youre asking why they remade the sprites ... you sound like youre pretty out of touch regarding this subject, tbh. Fans were clamoring for KOF to finally be remade with modern art, the techniques they used were amazing and having such detailed sprites at that size was incredible at the time. In retrospect, their process was too costly and needed better tech so that they could ship a more feature complete game but thats really what happened, they had to ship something in order to recoup some of the investment and thats what KOF XII was, with XIII being the real game it was meant to be from the beginning ... and even then it wasnt enough to save them, having to reboot again for XIV which ... ugh, well, some people like it enough so Im not gonna shit on it, but it wasnt for me.
I agree, I definitely think of it as a prototype for XIII.
I was excited about it at the time, but objectively, it was a pretty bad game.
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I was just wondering why they didn't do one more game with the same sprites while spending the extra year to work on XIII, but thanks for the condencing post telling me I'm out of touch for asking a question.
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Shingo is also still wearing a school uniform. Characters don't get older in King of Fighters. Unless you're Terry and Rock. Or Kyo. Basically, in some aspects KoF is its own standalone story, but in others they keep the whole dream match thing going even during the main storylines.
They did make KoF 2002 Unlimited Match around the same time. The problem is that a game with barely any new sprites also has its own issues (at a time when those old sprites were considered very outdated).
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I hate this game.
This piece of shit was a lot of my friends introduction to KOF after they were getting into fighting games for the first time.
All the netplay issues turned them off immediately.
This piece of shit was a lot of my friends introduction to KOF after they were getting into fighting games for the first time.
All the netplay issues turned them off immediately.
It's amazing how awful this game is. Anemic roster, characters don't have half their usual moves, pretty much no modes or stages, bad online and to top it off the fighting itself is shallow as a puddle with the big system being fucking fancy counter hits.
IIRC developing KoF XII pretty much pushed them to the verge of bankruptcy. They kind of had to shit something out.
It's almost as though fighting game developers determine who to put in a game based on things that aren't immediately apparent to outside observers.
A character can be recognisable or popular with a wider community of observers whilst being generally forgettable or ignored amongst people who play.
Likewise the opposite can also be true. To get a sense of this in the KOF series in particular you can have a look at some ratio charts; which are used in the community to have special 'ratio matches' where you can only pick a team that has a ratio point total that is less than or equal to a certain amount of ratio points.
Here's a Korean community chart for KOF13. Please note that ratio charts may be viewed as tierlists but they also are used to indicate overall character popularity amongst a competitive community.
Compare that to a ratio chart from KOF14 in 2016.
So it may have been possible that although Mai has been a popular character amongst outside observers for some time, amongst people who play the game she can actually have a highly variable role in the series based on how she plays and how effective she is.
In addition to this she may find herself not included in certain versions if developers base their character selection on what the competitive community is currently interested at that specific time rather than what wider observers may be into.
Given that SNK would have usually assessed character popularity based on things like surveys in regional publications (NeoGeoFreak, Arcadia or similar) and via the regional communities that they had access to it seems unsurprising that they may have made character choices in the 2000s that may not align with preferences in the west during the 2010s or today.
He really does but XI doesn't. SNK PLEASE MAKE A PORT OF THIS CLASSIC.
Yeah, I got into KOF after XIII was released and XII is basically the only one I haven't played. Love some of the sprites, but steroids Terry is one of my least favorites, but strangely enough I really like what they did with King.
Especially if you knock them off of the top floor of a high rise.
The sprites have a monstrous amount of detail and coupled with lots animation. I mean considered even self shadowing in the shading process too. The fact that kyo and iori have alt versions with alt costumes had to cost them real money to make. In a 3D game, just pay a fraction of the price to have someone make another costume, reuse existing animation where appropriate. Still expensive but the same amount of money goes further with 3D.
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