you seem to already think Duke was funny in the first place, which many (most?) do not.
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Would you want ID Software to reboot Duke Nukem?
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you seem to already think Duke was funny in the first place, which many (most?) do not.
I dig it, apply for creative director and hire me to be your.....wait....uh, .....I'm actually useless and have no talent.
I could be your coffee fetcher!! Every director needs one man, come on.
No. Duke Nukem is a relic. A parody of a long dated satire.
He just wouldn't work or make sense in 2020.
I'm trying to imagine a Duke Nukem game today and just the thought of it feels anachronistic.
He just wouldn't work or make sense in 2020.
I'm trying to imagine a Duke Nukem game today and just the thought of it feels anachronistic.
Duke was originally meant to be a caricature of an 80s action hero - not a sex pest. You can still have him be a sexual being - he just doesn't have to be Harvey Weinstein and it doesn't (and never was until Forever) the forefront of his character. So sure give me a classic arcade FPS (make it fun), with well-designed maps and over the top set pieces and gore explosions. Get some people who can write comedy. And reboot the fuck out of the franchise.
Me.
Who would want id to waste time and resources on a rubbish franchise like Duke when Quake exists?
You're causing me physical pain here.
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Only if it was about how much Duke doesn't belong in today's world. So many interesting things could be done with that premise, as others have said.
There would be one last group of people worshiping Duke, and he eventually wouldn't want them. They'd be just as likely to desire kidnapping women as the alien invaders.
There would be one last group of people worshiping Duke, and he eventually wouldn't want them. They'd be just as likely to desire kidnapping women as the alien invaders.
I think a cleverly written Duke Nukem game could work as both satire and a deconstruction of that character. The real question is how many people would I trust to handle that properly, and do I think any of them would actually want to do it.
But do I want another Duke game like the old ones, or Gearbox's Duke Nukem Forever? Fuck no. The DN games were never good - they were Doom knockoffs with a taboo sense of humour that excited young boys in the 90s.
But do I want another Duke game like the old ones, or Gearbox's Duke Nukem Forever? Fuck no. The DN games were never good - they were Doom knockoffs with a taboo sense of humour that excited young boys in the 90s.
I voted yes because just about any dev studio would be better than Gearbox for it, but like, I don't know if what Id Software does is really a match for Duke. Like if you want to completely reinvent the character and the gameplay to be something way more action-oriented and more modern and badass, I'm down. I trust id implicitly right now to "get" games from that era and how to make them relevant from a gameplay and tech standpoint. Duke would be a ... fucking challenge to get working again. I want to see it happen, but I accept the notion that a complete reinvention begs the question of "is it even Duke anymore?" I would have liked to see Flying Wild Hog do for Duke what they did for Lo Wang in Shadow Warrior, but barring them, machine games, Id would be great.
Get the developers of Spec Ops: The Line, hehe
DN2 and DN3D were structurally solid. The 90s Hollywood/WWF/Action Hero/Creepy Womanizer edge was the meme appeal back then (3D way more than 2) because many fans were oblivious pop-culture-hungry contrarians, my kid self included, but they were still good games.
Notice how I'm not saying great. DOOM is great. Descent is great. Unreal Tournament is great.
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You're not really doing a good job here. Duke 1 and Duke 2 both pre-date Doom and neither are first-person games, nor lewd and crude like 3D. They were well-received at the time.
After that, Time to Kill, Zero Hour and Land of the Babes are third-person, and Manhattan Project is a sidescroller.
Duke 3D is the only game for which your claim really makes sense, and while a big part of the appeal was definitely the violence and sleazy humour, there's a solid and distinct game under it that doesn't deserve to be written-off as a Doom wannabe.
Wasn't the Build Engine based off the Quake Engine? Also I am pretty sure Duke Nukem Forever used the Quake Engine at one stage (probably wrong). So it's not like they don't share any history.
Personally I would forget Duke and have ID/ZeniMax work with 3D Realms who still have some great people who understand the genre (WRATH Aeon of Ruin, and Ion Fury look great).
The build engine is a 2.5D engine created by Ken Silverman. The Quake engine was true 3D. They came out around the same time but have no lineage together.
Take my money!
My mistake. Point about wanting 3D Realms and ID to work together still stands though. Would love to see what they could do together.
Nope. Duke 3D uses raycasting. It doesn't share anything in common with the quake engine.
That's because the quake engine was available to license. That'd be like saying Epic has history with any game that uses UE4.
Lots of people ITT asking for a quake campaign
but all I want is a modern Quake arena shooter. They don't make FPS games like Quake III Arena anymore.
but all I want is a modern Quake arena shooter. They don't make FPS games like Quake III Arena anymore.
Bring back Quake or do a new IP
Or save Wolfenstein from MachineGames, they really fell from grace
Or save Wolfenstein from MachineGames, they really fell from grace
Absolutely, just ignore his entire characterization post-3D. That's where most of the more overtly awful shit comes from, with Forever being the absolute nadir. Although I would want a dedicated mighty foot button rather than finishers like in Doom.
id is not the right fit for Duke Nukem, but I do not think Gearbox is either.
I am actually worried Gearbox will take the wrong lessons from Doom 2016 and Eternal with the next game. He is not about intense arena combat or mazes. Duke excels in interactivity and puzzles more than anything else. He absolutely has a place in modern gaming, they just need to know how to present it... And I really do not trust Gearbox with characterizations or humor so I am kind of dreading his return.
I am actually worried Gearbox will take the wrong lessons from Doom 2016 and Eternal with the next game. He is not about intense arena combat or mazes. Duke excels in interactivity and puzzles more than anything else. He absolutely has a place in modern gaming, they just need to know how to present it... And I really do not trust Gearbox with characterizations or humor so I am kind of dreading his return.
It is a game so of its time that it cannot be brought screaming into our time without losing the essence of what made it what it was.
No one needs Duke Nukem for anything.
No one needs some desperate shitty character like Duke whose whole thing is referencing movies from the early 80's. Like, unless your intended goal is to play Duke like some pathetic outdated creep (which they won't), there is no value in trotting out that dumbass ever again. Nobody gives a fuck about They Live.
No one needs some desperate shitty character like Duke whose whole thing is referencing movies from the early 80's. Like, unless your intended goal is to play Duke like some pathetic outdated creep (which they won't), there is no value in trotting out that dumbass ever again. Nobody gives a fuck about They Live.
I am surprised so many people said no. I would love a modernized Duke Nukem. Incredibly over-the-top alien invasions with insane and crazy guns. If Doom and Doom Eternal is anything to go by, it would be awesome.
And was anything Duke said really that bad? I don't remember any of his dialog being sexist or racist or anything -- but even if some of it was questionable, they could re-write it. It could absolutely carry the 90's cheesy tough-guy tone without offending.
EDIT - And clearly the whole stripper/strip-club vibe would be removed in a modern version.
And was anything Duke said really that bad? I don't remember any of his dialog being sexist or racist or anything -- but even if some of it was questionable, they could re-write it. It could absolutely carry the 90's cheesy tough-guy tone without offending.
EDIT - And clearly the whole stripper/strip-club vibe would be removed in a modern version.
Don't ignore it- dive right into the fact that it happened.
It's 2025 and other heroes have risen and stolen his thunder. Why? Not because Duke can't be a man of action anymore. It's just nobody wants to be saved by him. They think he's a loser or a misogynist. Women beat the shit out of him or run away when he offers them money to dance, and the only people left who look up to him piss him off. Shit, Duke's probably got a daughter from his 4th marriage who's the only Nukem anyone talks about because she got the hero gene. There's a heroine who could've been Duke's friend, who could've supported him, but he turned her down because, in the process of being inspired by him as a kid, she grew up and got too "butch" for him. Because that's exactly how Duke thinks. As time has passed, and the world has changed, Duke's turned everyone helpful away, or off.
Duke's casino? Xanadu now. Duke's got long hair and a beard and he's wandering the dusty halls, farting in the bathtub, and coming up with lame one-liners and hating them.
He's gotta start at the bottom before he rebuilds himself, inside and out. To be Duke... the best Duke he can be. Because anything else means he stays in the dust.
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If done right I would love see the Duke coming back. I love Duke 3D to this day and finished it a dozen times. ID would be awesome for the job I think. People who say the Duke should stay in the 1990s: I don't understand you. Just because Duke is a walking 90s macho cliché doesn't mean he has to stay in the 90s. I love the Duke because of this. I see him as a caricature of mainly 1980s action heroes/movies which most ppl seem to adore still to this day despite their obvious 1980s flaws.
Duke is a great old school shooter besides the Duke himself and I don't see why he couldn't be properly brought back to today's audience. It worked for Wolfenstein and Doom or Shadow Warrior so why not for the Duke? Speaking of Wolfenstein: Machine Games would be an even better fit to bring the Duke back!
Duke is a great old school shooter besides the Duke himself and I don't see why he couldn't be properly brought back to today's audience. It worked for Wolfenstein and Doom or Shadow Warrior so why not for the Duke? Speaking of Wolfenstein: Machine Games would be an even better fit to bring the Duke back!
I'm honestly surprised so many ppl are saying no. Shit on the Duke Nukem character all you want but 3d was and still is an amazing experience gameplay wise/level design. I agree that the character would need to be changed allot especially the sexist traits. Like Forever was not a good on the character and that's why I feel the series needs a reboot by someone like ID. I do hope Hugo Martin and his ID team end up rebooting Quake though. Lastly, if Kratos was able to evolve with the times then I see no reason the same can't be done for Duke.
The only way you make Duke Nukem interesting is if you reboot him as a woman.
If it were written by a woman it could potentially be interesting.
If it were written by a woman it could potentially be interesting.
No thanks.
Never liked Duke Nukem back in the day either. I'd rather ID Software work on a completely new ip.
Never liked Duke Nukem back in the day either. I'd rather ID Software work on a completely new ip.
I can't think of anything more personally heartbreaking than to hear they were working on fucking Duke Nukem instead of Quake
Naw.
I agree with Jeff Gerstmann in that the only meaningful reboot of Duke Nukem in this day and age would be the one where he acts the same as he did in all the older games and everyone just regards him with a snear or a big side eye because his attitude is deplorable.
I agree with Jeff Gerstmann in that the only meaningful reboot of Duke Nukem in this day and age would be the one where he acts the same as he did in all the older games and everyone just regards him with a snear or a big side eye because his attitude is deplorable.
Kratos, for all his faults, is still a dramatic character with a mostly coherent story arc (at least in some of the games). There isn't some interesting world to explore with Duke, there are no interesting supporting characters, there's no character arc. He's just Ash from Evil Dead (well, more Army of Darkness), and well, Ash vs Evil Dead has basically already done the story of "dinosaur action man in modern times" to varying degrees of success.
Comedy characters are much harder to update.
The only way I can see Duke being made fun today is if you don't play as Duke, but rather like, someone he knows who has to put up with all his bullshit all the time. He's an escort NPC that's always running straight into the action and you have to save him from himself, both from running his mouth and from running into bullets.
You are Duke Nukem's Assistant. Or Daughter / Son. Trying to keep him from dying and also from appearing on Infowars.
You are Duke Nukem's Assistant. Or Daughter / Son. Trying to keep him from dying and also from appearing on Infowars.