Would you vaccinate today?

[DeathyBoy]

For everyone saying this vaccine is rushed, perhaps you should consider that these things run a lot smoother when you throw bottomless amounts of money at it and have the best people working on it damn near 24/7.

And then, ya know, shut the fuck up and stop talking bollocks.

On topic - yes. I work in a hospital. Just inject that shit into my arm day one.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Literally had this conversation with a coworker last night. A vaccine only gets approved for public use if it's safe. They've already done all the tests necessary for someone like me to take it. Give me that vaccine please. I want to go to the movies again.

Click to shrink...

I'm really not trying to be dense - I'm happy to learn. How can they possibly have done "all the tests necessary for someone like me to take it?"

Fact is, this is a global pandemic that will require vaccinating billions of people. To my knowledge, no vaccine has been developed from the ground-up and deployed at this scale and this speed in the history of mankind. Surely, it's fair to pause and suggest "eh, due to the literal trillions of variables, maybe it best to see about mid-or-long-term side effects they haven't considered, weren't prepared for, or didn't test for."

Now, a counter I hear to that is you've got to balance the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of not taking the vaccine. But as someone who has not yet contracted COVID because I'm religious about my mask, social distancing, and staying home... maybe I can make it another 12 months while other people act as guinea pigs.

To be clear, I am absolutely, 100%, not anti-vac. I just got my flu shot a couple weeks ago. My daughter is two and is loaded up with everything the docs have suggested. I 100% intend to get the COVID shot. I just think there's a risk to being the first to take it. And for what it's worth, I'll probably STILL take the COVID shot first opportunity it's offered to me. Eh, I am not too worried. I simply can understand why others might be - and to suggest every single possible outcome has been tested for, sounds like an exaggeration.

 

[RadzPrower]

Its not a hard question. Would you take it? Y/n

Click to shrink...

There's a disconnect between the thread title, the poll, and the OP.

Just the word "today" in the thread title is a very loaded word because it could imply without FDA or other agency approvals or that it bypasses the real-world constraint of supply.

 

[Friskykillface]

Nah
I'll wait until July for San Diego comic con
I'm laid off and about to sell my possessions so I'm fine with masks and not doing anything

They said 5 years minimum for a vaccine and it's rushed in less than a year, I'll wait to see the effects it has on people, call me a dick, idc

plus it'll be in super limited supply, give it to the people facing maskless dummies in hospitals, supermarkets and stores.

 

[jetpacks was yes]

I'm really not trying to be dense - I'm happy to learn. How can they possibly have done "all the tests necessary for someone like me to take it?"

Fact is, this is a global pandemic that will require vaccinating billions of people. To my knowledge, no vaccine has been developed from the ground-up and deployed at this scale and this speed in the history of mankind. Surely, it's fair to pause and suggest "eh, due to the literal trillions of variables, maybe it best to see about mid-or-long-term side effects they haven't considered, weren't prepared for, or didn't test for."

Now, a counter I hear to that is you've got to balance the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of not taking the vaccine. But as someone who has not yet contracted COVID because I'm religious about my mask, social distancing, and staying home... maybe I can make it another 12 months while other people act as guinea pigs.

To be clear, I am absolutely, 100%, not anti-vac. I just got my flu shot a couple weeks ago. My daughter is two and is loaded up with everything the docs have suggested. I 100% intend to get the COVID shot. I just think there's a risk to being the first to take it.

Click to shrink...

These vaccines have gone through the same tests as other vaccines. The difference is that governments poured money into them, including production, which would usually happen after a vaccine completed all of its rounds of testing. The risk was that if any vaccine didn't pass the trials, they'd have wasted a ton of money producing a whole lot of useless vaccines. But that's not the case, so we're getting it quickly because of that. If we trust the experts with other vaccines, we should trust them with this one.

 

[GameAddict411]

For everyone saying this vaccine is rushed, perhaps you should consider that these things run a lot smoother when you throw bottomless amounts of money at it and have the best people working on it damn near 24/7.

And then, ya know, shut the fuck up and stop talking bollocks.

On topic - yes. I work in a hospital. Just inject that shit into my arm day one.

Click to shrink...

This is a good point. I doubt we have ever had a vaccine get this much funding before.

 

[turbobrick]

Fact is, this is a global pandemic that will require vaccinating billions of people. To my knowledge, no vaccine has been developed from the ground-up and deployed at this scale and this speed in the history of mankind. Surely, it's fair to pause and suggest "eh, due to the literal trillions of variables, maybe it best to see about mid-or-long-term side effects they haven't considered, weren't prepared for, or didn't test for."

Now, a counter I hear to that is you've got to balance the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of not taking the vaccine. But as someone who has not yet contracted COVID because I'm religious about my mask, social distancing, and staying home... maybe I can make it another 12 months while other people act as guinea pigs.

Click to shrink...

You can't test for every single scenario when you factor in the worlds population. I'm sure someone out of a billion people might experience a side effect, but if you're a healthy adult it probably won't be you.

Like you say there's risk no matter what you do, just like there's risk in everything you do in life. I get not needing it if you follow proper guidelines, but even that is no guarantee. I mean, I voted no, because I don't leave my house, so I'm in no hurry to take it. Doesn't mean I won't ever take it though.

I will be sad when being a jobless loser and a hermit is no longer socially acceptable again.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Wow, an anti-vaxxer out in the open. Lol!

Click to shrink...

Wait, so saying you would rather wait than to go first is anti-vaxx?

an·ti-vax·xer
/ˌan(t)ēˈvaksər,ˌan(t)īˈvaksər/
nounINFORMAL
a person who is opposed to vaccination, typically a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child.
"experts say several diseases that are avoidable are making a comeback due to anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate their kids"

Who said they refused to at all? It would be best if you kept it cute and read what people are saying than jumping in here throwing around labels to people with concerns.

All of the vaccines that are anticipating to be ready in the next few months have been tested on tens of thousands of people, and have shown their efficiency and safety, the first person to be injected with the oxford vaccine it as part of the trial was in April. Several of the vaccines(Not any of the mRNA ones) are based off of in development SARS vaccines, and have been testing and monitored for at least 5 years.

Calling someone a "guinea pig" because you decided to not read up on any of these, is disingenuous at best and dangerous at worse. This is full tilt anti-vaxx rhetoric you're spewing here, weather you know it is, or not.

Click to shrink...

We have all heard of the same information. It's not like this forum doesn't have threads on this stuff. Again, the vaccine is not 100% effective, instead being 95% and side effects that they've took note of so far are only headaches and fatigue. And this was done on 41k of people. I've been paying attention. But 41k isn't 2 billion and waiting and seeing isn't anti vaxx. Straight up being against the vaccine IS.


Edit: and for the record, I didn't call anyone a guinea pig so don't put words in my mouth. My post in this thread is a response post to someone who said what I couldn't say. I just quoted the other poster who took a position of shaming people that explained their no as being unreasonable

 

[DeathyBoy]

This is a good point. I doubt we have ever had a vaccine get this much funding before.

Click to shrink...

Plus a LOT more volunteers than you'd normally get.

But hey, what does science know. I'm sure random era posters who actually enjoy sitting inside 24/7 know more about vaccines than the people who, ya know, fucking designed them and have submitted the results for approval by health care authorities.

 

[Nepenthe]

I'm really not trying to be dense - I'm happy to learn. How can they possibly have done "all the tests necessary for someone like me to take it?"

Fact is, this is a global pandemic that will require vaccinating billions of people. To my knowledge, no vaccine has been developed from the ground-up and deployed at this scale and this speed in the history of mankind. Surely, it's fair to pause and suggest "eh, due to the literal trillions of variables, maybe it best to see about mid-or-long-term side effects they haven't considered, weren't prepared for, or didn't test for."

Now, a counter I hear to that is you've got to balance the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of not taking the vaccine. But as someone who has not yet contracted COVID because I'm religious about my mask, social distancing, and staying home... maybe I can make it another 12 months while other people act as guinea pigs.

To be clear, I am absolutely, 100%, not anti-vac. I just got my flu shot a couple weeks ago. My daughter is two and is loaded up with everything the docs have suggested. I 100% intend to get the COVID shot. I just think there's a risk to being the first to take it. And for what it's worth, I'll probably STILL take the COVID shot first opportunity it's offered to me. Eh, I am not too worried. I simply can understand why others might be - and to suggest every single possible outcome has been tested for, sounds like an exaggeration.

Click to shrink...

I am ignorant as hell when it comes to vaccine research and production. But I'm not dumb.

The only way this shit even gets to market, where you- the average person- can walk into a CVS and get stabby-stabbed with a needle, as if the producers of the vaccine have gone through all of the testing required by all relevant oversight committees, and just general ethics codes and observational skills, to get it rubber stamped. The overwhelming majority of people are not going to die or even suffer serious side effects from this, because such side effects would've been hashed out during the testing phase before it is approved for mass consumption. Like, they would've seen test subjects dropping like flies, gone "Oh, that's neat," and just fixed it, then tested it again, and they do this over and over until it just fucking works. Like, do you really think this thing is going to cause immediate spewing of blood from every oriface the moment it's injected, that the literal tens of thousands of people who they've already tested it on wouldn't have had that symptom pop up, and you just happen to be the unlucky one who's a unique case study?

The worst that probably happens to you is a mild immune response- fever, aches, chills etc., like with the flu shot (which just means the vaccine is actually doing its job and making sweet little antibodies)- or that it just doesn't do anything for you, since it's only 95% effective, and not 100% effective.

This is like if Ford announced a bangin' new Focus for 2022, and people who are interested in the new Focus came along and asked "How do I REALLY know the Ford Focus 2022 is going to not have the engine fall out when I drive it off the lot? I don't wanna be the first sucker!" I mean, fuck me. I dunno how car production works. I just place faith in the systems that be that Ford has to abide by- as well as the belief that they don't want the PR nightmare of explaining such a dangerous bug- to do everything physically possible to prevent the engine from falling out. Does that mean it's 100% impossible for a car engine to not fall out from a new car? Of course not. But I have driven many a car in my lifetime, and have seen tens of thousands more cars, and I haven't seen an engine fall out yet. PRETTY SAFE TO ERR ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOUR NEW CAR ENGINE WON'T FALL OUT, AND YOU CAN BUY THAT NEW BANGIN' FORD FOCUS 2022.

 

[OrangeNova]

We have all heard of the same information. It's not like this forum doesn't have threads on this stuff. Again, the vaccine is not 100% effective, instead being 95% and side effects that they've took note of so far are only headaches and fatigue. And this was done on 41k of people. I've been paying attention. But 41k isn't 2 billion and waiting and seeing isn't anti vaxx. Straight up being against the vaccine IS.


Edit: and for the record, I didn't call anyone a guinea pig so don't put words in my mouth. My post in this thread is a response post to someone who said what I couldn't say. I just quoted the other poster who took a position of shaming people that explained their no as being unreasonable

Click to shrink...

95% effective is WILDLY more effective than most vaccines! You clearly haven't read much with how you stated that. The Smallpox vaccine is 77%, most vaccines you get as a kid (MMR, etc) are in the 85% effective range. 95 is an insanely high number.

41k people is a HUGE sample size for testing a vaccine too, most trials go through 5-10k people and base their numbers off that.

If you're going to try to say you're not anti-vaxx, and still spout their nonsense, please go read up on this stuff.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I am ignorant as hell when it comes to vaccine research and production. But I'm not dumb.

The only way this shit even gets to market, where you- the average person- can walk into a CVS and get stabby-stabbed with a needle, as if the producers of the vaccine have gone through all of the testing required by all relevant oversight committees, and just general ethics codes and observational skills, to get it rubber stamped. The overwhelming majority of people are not going to die or even suffer serious side effects from this, because such side effects would've been hashed out during the testing phase before it is approved for mass consumption. Like, they would've seen test subjects dropping like flies, gone "Oh, that's neat," and just fixed it, then tested it again, and they do this over and over until it just fucking works. Like, do you really think this thing is going to cause immediate spewing of blood from every oriface the moment it's injected, that the literal tens of thousands of people who they've already tested it on wouldn't have had that symptom pop up, and you just happen to be the unlucky one who's a unique case study?

The worst that probably happens to you is a mild immune response- fever, aches, chills etc., like with the flu shot (which just means the vaccine is actually doing its job and making sweet little antibodies)- or that it just doesn't do anything for you, since it's only 95% effective, and not 100% effective.

This is like if Ford announced a bangin' new Focus for 2022, and people who are interested in the new Focus came along and asked "How do I REALLY know the Ford Focus 2022 is going to not have the engine fall out when I drive it off the lot? I don't wanna be the first sucker!" I mean, fuck me. I dunno how car production works. I just place faith in the systems that be that Ford has to abide by- as well as the belief that they don't want the PR nightmare of explaining such a dangerous bug- to do everything physically possible to prevent the engine from falling out. Does that mean it's 100% impossible for a car engine to not fall out from a new car? Of course not. But I have driven many a car in my lifetime, and have seen tens of thousands more cars, and I haven't seen an engine fall out yet. PRETTY SAFE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION THAT YOUR NEW CAR ENGINE WON'T FALL OUT, AND YOU CAN BUY THAT NEW BANGIN' FORD FOCUS 2022.

Click to shrink...

This is a great reply and I can't disagree with you - and I'm nodding to most all of it.

But I fuck you not, I bought a (used) car and the engine did fall out, lmfao.... so this was an amazing example hahaha

 

[Nepenthe]

This is a great reply and I can't disagree with you - and I'm nodding to most all of it.

But I fuck you not, I bought a (used) car and the engine did fall out, lmfao.... so this was an amazing example hahaha

Click to shrink...

Lol I apologize for your horrible luck. How much was it for?

 

[Helmholtz]

Wait, so saying you would rather wait than to go first is anti-vaxx?

an·ti-vax·xer
/ˌan(t)ēˈvaksər,ˌan(t)īˈvaksər/
nounINFORMAL
a person who is opposed to vaccination, typically a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child.
"experts say several diseases that are avoidable are making a comeback due to anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate their kids"

Who said they refused to at all? It would be best if you kept it cute and read what people are saying than jumping in here throwing around labels to people with concerns.

We have all heard of the same information. It's not like this forum doesn't have threads on this stuff. Again, the vaccine is not 100% effective, instead being 95% and side effects that they've took note of so far are only headaches and fatigue. And this was done on 41k of people. I've been paying attention. But 41k isn't 2 billion and waiting and seeing isn't anti vaxx. Straight up being against the vaccine IS.

Click to shrink...

Here, let me break it down for you nice and simple:
Waiting and seeing + not taking it = anti vaccination

"Cute" enough for you? (whatever the hell that means)
Apparently you don't realize that while people 'wait and see', the pandemic wreaks havoc.

 

[ramoisdead]

EU? Yes.

US? Gonna need more sources to say it is effective.

 

[OneThirtyEight]

I'd let risk groups and seniors take it first, when we know it really works offcourse.

 

[turbobrick]

This is like if Ford announced a bangin' new Focus for 2022, and people who are interested in the new Focus came along and asked "How do I REALLY know the Ford Focus 2022 is going to not have the engine fall out when I drive it off the lot? I don't wanna be the first sucker!" I mean, fuck me. I dunno how car production works. I just place faith in the systems that be that Ford has to abide by- as well as the belief that they don't want the PR nightmare of explaining such a dangerous bug- to do everything physically possible to prevent the engine from falling out. Does that mean it's 100% impossible for a car engine to not fall out from a new car? Of course not. But I have driven many a car in my lifetime, and have seen tens of thousands more cars, and I haven't seen an engine fall out yet. PRETTY SAFE TO ERR ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOUR NEW CAR ENGINE WON'T FALL OUT, AND YOU CAN BUY THAT NEW BANGIN' FORD FOCUS 2022.

Click to shrink...

While I get the analogy its actually a terrible example, because first model year cars usually do have more problems that get get sorted out as production goes on. The Focus example is also bad because of their problem with their automatic transmission which is pretty much guaranteed to fail, but people didn't know about it until a few years into ownership.

 

[molnizzle]

I am ignorant as hell when it comes to vaccine research and production. But I'm not dumb.

The only way this shit even gets to market, where you- the average person- can walk into a CVS and get stabby-stabbed with a needle, as if the producers of the vaccine have gone through all of the testing required by all relevant oversight committees, and just general ethics codes and observational skills, to get it rubber stamped. The overwhelming majority of people are not going to die or even suffer serious side effects from this, because such side effects would've been hashed out during the testing phase before it is approved for mass consumption. Like, they would've seen test subjects dropping like flies, gone "Oh, that's neat," and just fixed it, then tested it again, and they do this over and over until it just fucking works. Like, do you really think this thing is going to cause immediate spewing of blood from every oriface the moment it's injected, that the literal tens of thousands of people who they've already tested it on wouldn't have had that symptom pop up, and you just happen to be the unlucky one who's a unique case study?

The worst that probably happens to you is a mild immune response- fever, aches, chills etc., like with the flu shot (which just means the vaccine is actually doing its job and making sweet little antibodies)- or that it just doesn't do anything for you, since it's only 95% effective, and not 100% effective.

This is like if Ford announced a bangin' new Focus for 2022, and people who are interested in the new Focus came along and asked "How do I REALLY know the Ford Focus 2022 is going to not have the engine fall out when I drive it off the lot? I don't wanna be the first sucker!" I mean, fuck me. I dunno how car production works. I just place faith in the systems that be that Ford has to abide by- as well as the belief that they don't want the PR nightmare of explaining such a dangerous bug- to do everything physically possible to prevent the engine from falling out. Does that mean it's 100% impossible for a car engine to not fall out from a new car? Of course not. But I have driven many a car in my lifetime, and have seen tens of thousands more cars, and I haven't seen an engine fall out yet. PRETTY SAFE TO ERR ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOUR NEW CAR ENGINE WON'T FALL OUT, AND YOU CAN BUY THAT NEW BANGIN' FORD FOCUS 2022.

Click to shrink...

I'm not apprehensive about blood spewing out of my orifices or immediately dropping dead. I am apprehensive about there being a longer term side effect that doesn't manifest initially and couldn't be thoroughly tested for in such a short period of time. I do not think it is unreasonable to be apprehensive about a vaccine that is rapidly brought to market through an effort named "Operation Warp Speed" that was spearheaded by Donald Trump.

 

[Mivey]

Sure, why not? I don't expect I'd get the chance until later this year, being in no risk group, fairly young and otherwise healthy, but if someone offered it to me today, I'd jump at the chance.

Also disappointed there's no Thor 2 choice on the poll.

 

[OrangeNova]

I'm not apprehensive about blood spewing out of my orifices or immediately dropping dead. I'm am apprehensive about there being a longer term side effect that doesn't manifest initially and couldn't be thoroughly tested for in such a short period of time. I do not think it is unreasonable to be apprehensive about a vaccine that is rapidly brought to market through an effort named "Operation Warp Speed" that was spearheaded by Donald Trump.

Click to shrink...

Except, Pfizer literally didn't participate in Operation Warp Speed, and very few vaccines did. Pfizer only signed up after their trials were done to gain access to funding for increased production.

 

[Sunnz]

Just so you know there are multiple independent health and medication agencies throughout the EU that will have to sign off on this before it becomes available to the public.
Not to mention that there's a sizable part of the scientific community currently working on covid19 related research.

Click to shrink...

Yep that's why I would still take it when available, I'm sure, even with the timescale, thorough tests will be and are being done. No way will they rush this without being fully confident it's viable and effective.

 

[RedMercury]

I'm not apprehensive about blood spewing out of my orifices or immediately dropping dead. I am apprehensive about there being a longer term side effect that doesn't manifest initially and couldn't be thoroughly tested for in such a short period of time. I do not think it is unreasonable to be apprehensive about a vaccine that is rapidly brought to market through an effort named "Operation Warp Speed" that was spearheaded by Donald Trump.

Click to shrink...

I mean what if there are side effects years down the road, you're not gonna wait years to take it. If scientists with understanding of this stuff say it's okay, and hell they are taking it too, I just don't get the 'whatabout". In my case I have a relatively rare neurological disease, I highly doubt they've tested the vaccine on anyone who has what I have, if my doctor says good to go I don't really have much of an argument considering I am not a doctor.

 

[Bing147]

I'm really not trying to be dense - I'm happy to learn. How can they possibly have done "all the tests necessary for someone like me to take it?"

Fact is, this is a global pandemic that will require vaccinating billions of people. To my knowledge, no vaccine has been developed from the ground-up and deployed at this scale and this speed in the history of mankind. Surely, it's fair to pause and suggest "eh, due to the literal trillions of variables, maybe it best to see about mid-or-long-term side effects they haven't considered, weren't prepared for, or didn't test for."

Now, a counter I hear to that is you've got to balance the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of not taking the vaccine. But as someone who has not yet contracted COVID because I'm religious about my mask, social distancing, and staying home... maybe I can make it another 12 months while other people act as guinea pigs.

To be clear, I am absolutely, 100%, not anti-vac. I just got my flu shot a couple weeks ago. My daughter is two and is loaded up with everything the docs have suggested. I 100% intend to get the COVID shot. I just think there's a risk to being the first to take it. And for what it's worth, I'll probably STILL take the COVID shot first opportunity it's offered to me. Eh, I am not too worried. I simply can understand why others might be - and to suggest every single possible outcome has been tested for, sounds like an exaggeration.

Click to shrink...

Except they don't normally test for that sort of thing before releasing vaccines. Otherwise you'd have to do years of testing before releasing anything. Which doesn't happen. The years vaccines usually take are primarily development but that's done here. They project long term information based on the short term data and how people who reactrd similarly to this did over the long term with other medicines. They then also continue monitoring over time as will happen here.

Long term side effects could show up after 10 years. Or 20. Or 50. Should we wait 50 years? Just like with standard vaccines, you test short term, for a few months. Sometimes for up to two years, but usually when you test that long its not about long term data, its about a lack of data because not enough of your trial group have gotten the thing yet. The one good thing about this being so out of control is there's a lot of data already.

 

[Nepenthe]

While I get the analogy its actually a terrible example, because first model year cars usually do have more problems that get get sorted out as production goes on. The Focus example is also bad because of their problem with their automatic transmission which is pretty much guaranteed to fail, but people didn't know about it until a few years into ownership.

Click to shrink...

But did the fucking engine fall out? That was the comparative point of the analogy and yet you decided to "Well, ACTUALLY" it.

I'm not apprehensive about blood spewing out of my orifices or immediately dropping dead. I am apprehensive about there being a longer term side effect that doesn't manifest initially and couldn't be thoroughly tested for in such a short period of time. I do not think it is unreasonable to be apprehensive about a vaccine that is rapidly brought to market through an effort named "Operation Warp Speed" that was spearheaded by Donald Trump.

Click to shrink...

Do you think scientists are not including reasonable long-term observations in their studies, or that they're all just idiots and you figured it out? Donald Trump is neither here nor there. He wanted a vaccine by November 3rd. He didn't get it, because science doesn't work on his terms.

 

[Nilou]

I work in healthcare, I'll be mandated to get it regardless. However if it was solely my choice to get it or not I'd still get it as anything that might help protect the patients I care for is worth taking.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Lol I apologize for your horrible luck. How much was it for?

Click to shrink...

It was a '96 Monte Carlo. I got it in 2005/2006 or therabouts - my first car. Terrible POS. I got a job at 15, saved for a year, got it when I turned 16 for $3,700 off some sketchy used car lot. Couldn't find ANYTHING "reliable" from Honda/Toyota/etc for under like $5K - which at the time was a huge increase in cost. So hell, at least the Z34 MC looked decent. Good red paint. Clean interior. Had a aftermarket stereo.

Next two years of my life was basically working to keep that car running to keep getting to work to keep paying for repairs. Thing was garbage. I realized soon after the dealer and covered the dash lights/engine check light with electrical tape. Over the course of a couple years, I had the AC go out, windows stop working (sucks when no AC), multiple hoses and belts go bad, power steering go out, stereo stop working, caliper seized... and then I was having transmission issues and one day the entire tranny basically stopped working - my car rev'd to redline all of a sudden and massive parts of the transmission and bits of the engine (I was no expert... let's just say giant chunks of metal clearly important to make the car go) just plunked out on in the middle of the road.

Long, long story - but ended up getting out of the repairs and ended up getting a much newer car when I went off to colelge.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

95% effective is WILDLY more effective than most vaccines! You clearly haven't read much with how you stated that. The Smallpox vaccine is 77%, most vaccines you get as a kid (MMR, etc) are in the 85% effective range. 95 is an insanely high number.

41k people is a HUGE sample size for testing a vaccine too, most trials go through 5-10k people and base their numbers off that.

If you're going to try to say you're not anti-vaxx, and still spout their nonsense, please go read up on this stuff.

Click to shrink...

What nonsense?! Anti-Vaxxer will NEVER take a Vaccine. That's the BIGGEST difference. I want to wait. I would rather wait. The question is if it came out today, would I take it. I voted NO, I will wait. But the demonization for saying you to wait rather than YES is what I have a problem with.

We can agree that yes, is the vaccine more far along than it previous was? Yes, but is it a problem to wait? I don't believe it is.

Here, let me break it down for you nice and simple:
Waiting and seeing + not taking it = anti vaccination

"Cute" enough for you? (whatever the hell that means)

Click to shrink...

If this is your definition of what people are saying, then it says everything I need to know. I'm done engaging.

 

[Begaria]

Well, yeah.

 

[RustyNails]

I cant answer. If Dr. Fauci says go vaccinate, I will. If its a Trump lackey, I wont.

 

[just_myles]

No. Assuming it is ready to go, give it to the most vulnerable first and then me.

What is this thread, some kind of anti vax trap?Some of these posters on here are weirdos. If you express a hint of trepidation you're suddenly a anti vaxxer? Foh, stop putting words in people's mouths.

 

[just_myles]

I cant answer. If Dr. Fauci says go vaccinate, I will. If its a Trump lackey, I wont.

Click to shrink...

There is this to. Some people don't trust this administration. Maybe OP should edit his post and say if this current administration fast tracked the fda approval process and vaccines are available to you, would you take it? That is a fair question and I would be curious to see the responses.

 

[neon_dream]

The vaccines are immune inducing. They provoke the immune system to create antibodies effective against the virus. They use fragments of proteins that the immune system will recognize and respond to, proteins that are part of the virus. They do not use live viruses capable of infecting you.

The methods of delivery are safe. They have few side effects, as they are similar to classic immunizations which use fragments, not whole organisms or whole viruses.

Yes, you should get the vaccines when they are available. Do a bit of research into vaccinations if you're worried. There is no politicization in the vaccine research and production process, only politicians attempting to take credit for that work.

 

[OrangeNova]

What nonsense?! Anti-Vaxxer will NEVER take a Vaccine. That's the BIGGEST difference. I want to wait. I would rather wait. The question is if it came out today, would I take it. I voted NO, I will wait. But the demonization for saying you to wait rather than YES is what I have a problem with.

We can agree that yes, is the vaccine more far along than it previous was? Yes, but is it a problem to wait? I don't believe it is.

Click to shrink...

You just moved the goal posts with this.

You said earlier, and it's been quoted, that you don't want to because it hasn't been tested enough. Then when presented with it have being tested enough, you claimed the 95% efficacy was too low. And when that is presented to you as being actually remarkably high for a vaccine, now its "I just wanna wait because I wanna wait."

 

[molnizzle]

Do you think scientists are not including reasonable long-term observations in their studies, or that they're all just idiots and you figured it out? Donald Trump is neither here nor there. He wanted a vaccine by November 3rd. He didn't get it, because science doesn't work on his terms.

Click to shrink...

The entire point of science is to continually test and challenge what we believe to be "true" to determine what actually is. There is a long, well-documented history of medical treatments that were thought to be helpful at the time yet actually weren't. It's incredibly naive to think we have it all figured out in 2020. The COVID vaccine won't be in the category as the vaccines for stuff like Smallpox or Polio that have decades of data proving them to be perfectly safe.

I might feel differently if i lived in a big city or something, but I live in a North Texas suburb. For the most part COVID is still just something I read about. I work from home, wear my mask, diligently social distance, etc. I'm not in any rush to be part of the first wave of the general population to get the vaccine.

 

[DeathyBoy]

No. Assuming it is ready to go, give it to the most vulnerable first and then me.

What is this thread, some kind of anti vax trap?Some of these posters on here are weirdos. If you express a hint of trepidation you're suddenly a anti vaxxer? Foh, stop putting words in people's mouths.

Click to shrink...

There is this to. Some people don't trust this administration. Maybe OP should edit his post and say if this current administration fast tracked the fda approval process and vaccines are available to you, would you take it? That is a fair question and I would be curious to see the responses.

Click to shrink...

Jesus Christ, Trump has NOTHING to do with the vaccine. His opinion means nothing as to whether it gets approved or not. If it did, it'd have been rushed through months ago.

ETA - oh and fuck me, if this thread is anything to by the vaccine won't accomplish anything. Fucking Hell, Era... you've somehow sunk to even worse depths than I thought possible..

 

[carlsojo]

I work in healthcare, I'll be mandated to get it regardless. However if it was solely my choice to get it or not I'd still get it as anything that might help protect the patients I care for is worth taking.

Click to shrink...

This is my exact situation.

Real question is - would I give it to my kiddo?

 

[turbobrick]

But did the fucking engine fall out? That was the comparative point of the analogy and yet you decided to "Well, ACTUALLY" it.

Click to shrink...

My only intention was to point out that trying to convince someone that they shouldn't be afraid to be an early adopter of a vaccine by comparing it to something that will actually give you problems by being an early adopter isn't a good comparison.

I would say to the person you quoted that its just like the flu vaccine, which they already got. Plenty of research has gone into it to make sure its safe for release. Millions of people get the flu vaccine every year, and they're not dying from side effects. Is it guaranteed to keep you safe? No. But you're better off getting it than not.

 

[deadbass]

Lol @ the people in this thread who think the vaccine is a piece of software and are waiting for version 1.2 to work out the bugs.

Anyways, yes I will take it as soon as I can.

 

[Helmholtz]

What nonsense?! Anti-Vaxxer will NEVER take a Vaccine. That's the BIGGEST difference. I want to wait. I would rather wait.

Click to shrink...

Baby steps. How long are you willing to wait? A month? 2? A year? Perhaps... indefinitely? When will you be satisfied? What are your criteria for satisfaction?
If you're not anti-vax now, you're certainly setting yourself on the path. I do hope you'll see the many explanations of why the vaccine will be safe to use when available and at least consider it. Or at the very least, stop spreading your potentially dangerous ideas and please don't try to convince people that the vaccine might be dangerous.

 

[Bing147]

What nonsense?! Anti-Vaxxer will NEVER take a Vaccine. That's the BIGGEST difference. I want to wait. I would rather wait. The question is if it came out today, would I take it. I voted NO, I will wait. But the demonization for saying you to wait rather than YES is what I have a problem with.

We can agree that yes, is the vaccine more far along than it previous was? Yes, but is it a problem to wait? I don't believe it is.



If this is your definition of what people are saying, then it says everything I need to know. I'm done engaging.

Click to shrink...

You do realize that a huge chunk of anti vaxxers claim not to be anti vaccine, right? Its always this vaccine is a problem, or I need more data, or I want a slower schedule, or vaccines are fine for others but not for me. Your statements, which show a complete misunderstanding of how vaccine science works, are right in line with that.

 

[XMonkey]

Absolutely.

 

[Bing147]

The entire point of science is to continually test and challenge what we believe to be "true" to determine what actually is. There is a long, well-documented history of medical treatments that were thought to be helpful at the time yet actually weren't. It's incredibly naive to think we have it all figured out in 2020. The COVID vaccine won't be in the category as the vaccines for stuff like Smallpox or Polio that have decades of data proving them to be perfectly safe.

I might feel differently if i lived in a big city or something, but I live in a North Texas suburb. For the most part COVID is still just something I read about. I work from home, wear my mask, diligently social distance, etc. I'm not in any rush to be part of the first wave of the general population to get the vaccine.

Click to shrink...

If everyone had waited decades for the smallpox vaccine we'd never have gotten that data. Every day you wait (once the thing is widely available of course) is another day you could get the thing and pass it to someone else. Its another day you might not only put yourself at risk but also might kill someone else.

 

[Nepenthe]

The entire point of science is to continually test and challenge what we believe to be "true" to determine what actually is. There is a long, well-documented history of medical treatments that were thought to be helpful at the time yet actually weren't. It's incredibly naive to think we have it all figured out in 2020. The COVID vaccine won't be in the category as the vaccines for stuff like Smallpox or Polio that have decades of data proving them to be perfectly safe.

I might feel differently if i lived in a big city or something, but I live in a North Texas suburb. For the most part COVID is still just something I read about. I work from home, wear my mask, diligently social distance, etc. I'm not in any rush to be part of the first wave of the general population to get the vaccine.

Click to shrink...

Why in the world do you think the entire foundation of vaccine testing and production is not being rigorously used and considered in this instance like it is for every other vaccine that is developed, that we're starting from complete scratch in terms of knowledge, development, and ethics, and thus the covid vaccine will likely be harmful? Did you apply this level of skepticism to the new flu vaccine that hits every year (flu shots are not the same every year because the virus mutates), or the new shingles shot that came out only a few years ago that eligible persons are recommended to take even if they got the original shingles vaccine? Ultimately, why do you think it's naive to trust scientists than to not trust scientists? Because literally the only way a vaccine gets approved for public use is if the science says it's safe and relatively effective for the general population.

 

[jetpacks was yes]

I cant answer. If Dr. Fauci says go vaccinate, I will. If its a Trump lackey, I wont.

Click to shrink...

Fauci said go vaccinate when it's out.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

Absofuckinglutely.

 

[Fatoy]

I've been called for an appointment after submitting myself for vaccine trials here in the UK earlier this year, so yes.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

Why in the world do you think the entire foundation of vaccine testing and production is not being rigorously used and considered in this instance like it is for every other vaccine that is developed, that we're starting from complete scratch in terms of knowledge, development, and ethics, and thus the covid vaccine will likely be harmful? Did you apply this level of skepticism to the new flu vaccine that hits every year (flu shots are not the same every year because the virus mutates), or the new shingles shot that came out only a few years ago that eligible persons are recommended to take even if they got the original shingles vaccine? Ultimately, why do you think it's naive to trust scientists than to not trust scientists? Because literally the only way a vaccine gets approved for public use is if the science says it's safe and relatively effective for the general population.

Click to shrink...

Thank you. This will be the most scrutinized vaccine in probably world history.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I remember having to get vaccinated for Anthrax and a whole host of other nefarious things. At this point my insides have so many antibodies floating around...whats one more?

 

[Helmholtz]

Thank you. This will be the most scrutinized vaccine in probably world history.

Click to shrink...

Based on this thread, and what I've heard from people I respected in real life, I'm honestly dreading the response to the release of this thing. The anti-vax rhetoric is going to be in full force, in a way that's never been seen before in history. I'm seriously going to have to delete my social media for a while to preserve my sanity.

 

[nullref]

Assuming I see no credible reason to distrust the approval process of the specific vaccine in question, and assuming supply has been appropriately prioritized by need—then yes, of course.