Yep, like those who would actually subject someone to eternal torment.
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Would you sentence people to eternal hell?
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I reiterate: "You're the real piece of shit for sending Hitler to Hell."
It would seem to me that if hell is as bad as some think it is, and in fact, probably far worse if it's actually real (which I don't subscribe to), there isn't really a crime known to man that would deserve an eternity of punishment.
But man, there's some that could probably do with like 100,000 years worth of being molested by hot pokers.
But man, there's some that could probably do with like 100,000 years worth of being molested by hot pokers.
Anyone who allows hell to exist is a right bastard, and possibly closest to deserving to be in there. Still not deserving though, nobody deserves that.
Gross.
'Hell' in this case being constant torture for eternity? Uh yea. I'll stand with that statement.
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Say whatever makes you feel better. Here in the real world, people like you are the reason rapists and murderers go free just to do it again.
No, you just have absolutely no idea what 'eternity' is. Don't turn this into a commentary on the justice system, it is the furthest thing from that.
No, I do. I just don't lie to myself about the world we live in, or the people we share it with. But if you think everyone deserves redemption, good luck with that.
Are you one of those "better potentially execute innocent people than potentially let guilty people go" nuts?
Here I the real world, about 90% of criminologists think the death penalty is shit, and rehabilitative systems are shown to work better than "just lock them away" systems.
When we're talking about eternal hell, yes
All the suffering Hitler brought to millions of people is literally nothing compared to something like eternal hell...You know, because it's eternal
If Hell existing means there can be something definitive for people to point to as the ultimate example of "don't do this shit" then I think the monstrosity of allowing it to exist at all is justified. It doesn't need to be fair, it just needs to keep people from committing mass murder, advocating for the murder of minorities, etc.
What would make you think that hell can do what the death penalty can't?
Like, there are people who commit murder who believe in hell.
This is purely hypothetical, but I don't think it could be worth it, even if we had a live video feed
And you believe that zero people deserve redemption? You think that's better?
And the thread has nothing at all to do with redemption, so we are back to a basic misunderstanding of the premise of the OP.
Nope. Are you actually implying innocent people are sent to Hell? lmao.
So because I don't think every person deserves redemption, I must think no one does? That's certainly a take...
If it's not about redemption, then what exactly is the point of this temporary hell?
I'm implying no such thing.
Your "Here in the real world, people like you are the reason rapists and murderers go free just to do it again." statement made me ask, because it sounded like you thought these people should be killed tbh.
EDIT: I am confused. Why do you think it's temporary?
This is about a permanent hell. And what's the point of a permanent hell? Besides getting off to the thought of bad people being tortured, raped and killed for years and years?
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Nearly 30% of the people who voted in this poll are either trolling or they're the most heinous psychopaths I could imagine. For the sake of my belief in humanity I'm unwatching this unmitigated train wreck of a thread. I'm cut to the quick.
There are ways to damn someone to eternal hell without making it impossible to escape from via redemption.
Eg. I would damn Trump to hell, but I would damn him to a hell where he doesn't know he's dead and is still President. This is the test of redemption.
If he continues to be the piece of shit we all hate, then he has to live through the same torment over and over again.
If he redeems himself, then his torment ends.
When you're talking about the eternal after-life, the concept of time and our perception of time goes out the window.
Eg. I would damn Trump to hell, but I would damn him to a hell where he doesn't know he's dead and is still President. This is the test of redemption.
If he continues to be the piece of shit we all hate, then he has to live through the same torment over and over again.
If he redeems himself, then his torment ends.
When you're talking about the eternal after-life, the concept of time and our perception of time goes out the window.
I'm sure we could figure out something between "just go free" and "eternal hell of punishment and torture".
I would just make realize he's wrong and welcome him to heaven because I wouldn't waste my powers toying with people.
Here's the interesting thing:
Are you for or against the death penalty if there are no false convictions
This is more of a morale question, the last thread on this was based in the real world. Obviously the death penalty shouldn’t be in effect in the real world as innocents would be killed. Therefor that thread was pretty cut and dry. We aren’t going to go in specifics as to what would be worthy...
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If we're using Hell as a base, none of those people are innocent in this discussion. There's not some technicality that sent the wrong person to jail/eternal damnation. Should I feel bad that someone who's assaulted children for 30 years ends up hurt or dead?
You're arguing against a permament, infinite hell, but your argument apparently has nothing to do with the redemption of the perpetrators? What, then? Is your entire argument "eternity bad"?
Sure, but I'm also not saying all sins/crimes are deserving of the same punishment. I'm reserving eternal damnation for the real monsters who don't feel an ounce of remorse. I'm surprised that's such an issue.
I wasn't talking about hell. I was talking about the death penalty based on your weird "this mindset lets murderers go free in the real world" statement. I'm not sure even you knew what you meant by that.
An eternity of torture means that the person would endure more suffering than all of humanity ever alive put together. Being tortured physically, being killed, being raped, being shown images that would break any person. Forever.
If you want to reduce it to the very basic statement, the entire argument is "eternity bad", yes. But really, it's the fact that no amount of crimes would justify that sort of punishment, and thinking this would be an okay thing is ridiculously bloodthirsty.
It's not okay for the same reason torture isn't okay as punishment in real life, but much worse.
What happens after 400 years of being tortured in the vilest of ways, when the person has already forgotten what they even did? "Too bad, there was a bad thing you did that you can't even recall because all you know now is pain?"
The irony of people saying "Yes, but only the really evil people" is actually artwork. Like, three shades of wonderful irony laid delicately across the canvas of public internet discourse. Not often are you painted such a beautifully insightful picture into humanity. If I could think of a way to accurately represent the context of the posts I'd seriously consider framing some and hanging them on my wall.
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Definitely not, no matter how bad.
Humans can't really conceptualize just what "forever" would be, and there's a limit to punishment where it just turns to cruelty
Humans can't really conceptualize just what "forever" would be, and there's a limit to punishment where it just turns to cruelty
yeah, basically. it's just emotional responses vs thought out ones.
Edit: Nevermind, I got too heated over a silly hypothetical
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as evil as hitler was, sending hitler to a hell as described in the OP would by definition be infinitely worse than anything he did.
Best job ever, where do I sign up?
I think eternal punishment hypothetically isn't fair since what is good and wrong is easier or harder do to the situation you were born in. I think the idea of reincarnation or dumping people into the eternality of life until they get it right is a far better hell.
I think eternal punishment hypothetically isn't fair since what is good and wrong is easier or harder do to the situation you were born in. I think the idea of reincarnation or dumping people into the eternality of life until they get it right is a far better hell.
For those who say eternal hell would be okay for some people:
Do you think torturing these people until they die one day would be okay too? I'd love to hear some thoughts on why/why not, and where you see a meaningful difference.
Do you think torturing these people until they die one day would be okay too? I'd love to hear some thoughts on why/why not, and where you see a meaningful difference.
This thread got referenced in my recent thread about Christianity
And I just want to say,
28.6 percent of people either legitimately cannot comprehend eternity, or, ya'll are absolute psychopaths.
It is utterly impossible for a finite transgression to deserve eternal punishment.
A person could be responsible for the destruction of all life in existence and they still wouldn't remotely deserve eternal punishment.
And I just want to say,
28.6 percent of people either legitimately cannot comprehend eternity, or, ya'll are absolute psychopaths.
It is utterly impossible for a finite transgression to deserve eternal punishment.
A person could be responsible for the destruction of all life in existence and they still wouldn't remotely deserve eternal punishment.
Absolutely not and anyone who says yes has questionable morals
also one of the reasons why religion is obvious total BS unless God is a psychopath
Edit: lol oops I didn't realize I already wrote something in here
also one of the reasons why religion is obvious total BS unless God is a psychopath
Edit: lol oops I didn't realize I already wrote something in here
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"This person is a monster for committing unspeakable acts to another human being! Thus, I feel comfortable sentencing them to an unspeakable, eternal punishment because the only thing separating me from them is that my act of horror will take place on a different plane of existence."
People who end up being horrible human beings tend to have some sort of explanation as to how they became that way, whether that's a horrible childhood, or brain chemistry, or etc., it kind of, sort of, is not entirely in their control
that's not to say that they don't deserve to be held accountable for their actions, but eternal torture? Lol
that's not to say that they don't deserve to be held accountable for their actions, but eternal torture? Lol
Haha, well put. In the real world I'm also more in favour of rehabilitation rather than for punitive for life sentencing.
over 28% are sadistic psychos here huh? quite a bit higher than i thought.
i honestly think no human deserves even 10 billion years of torture, let alone endless time. seems overkill, no?
i honestly think no human deserves even 10 billion years of torture, let alone endless time. seems overkill, no?
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