They have been around for decades in multiple games now. Saying they don't count because they're used as a race rather than mascot is silly.
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Worst Moogle design in the Final Fantasy series?
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They have been around for decades in multiple games now. Saying they don't count because they're used as a race rather than mascot is silly.
Everyone complaining about the koala looking moogle from FFVIIR ...
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Apparently you're wrong. The creator of moogles has spoken? And it's supposed to be a koala. 🤷♂️
Final Fantasy 3: Moogle was designed base on Koalas
Something interesting I find in this interview. Mr. Koichi Ishii, father of the chocobo and moogle talk about Moogle design. Source: https://na.finalfantasy.com/topics/176 "One of the characters that made its first appearance in FFIII was the moogles. You’re the creator of moogles, correct...
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Apparently you're wrong. The creator of moogles has spoken? And it's supposed to be a koala. 🤷♂️
I'm not saying they don't count, I'm saying they don't resemble the established norms. There isn't some kind of weird mascot/race delineation going on there, I'm just saying they're principally a mascot of the series except in the Ivalice entry where they adopt the name but completely changed the design. You tried to say that designs are always changing in the series, but if you look through the list of moogles that just isn't true. If that doesn't bother you then cool, but it shouldn't be difficult to understand why someone would hold the one design out of like 20 that looks so radically different accountable as the worst iteration.
whatever 12 did with the moogles, it sure as hell wasn't as bad as these abomination they called tonberries
Ok, but not looking like the "norm" doesn't make it a bad design. Especially next to abominations like that FF13-2 thing that looks like a melting funko pop.
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Right or wrong according to the creator.... this is unbelievably hideous lmao
Wow, it's worse than i thought.
That's why I said I think it's a fine design for a fantasy race... I think it is a good fantasy race design, but a bad moogle design. Similarly if you lined up 2 dogs and a cat and asked me which of the three was the worst dog, I'd say the cat
FF7 remake was what I immediately thought of. Ffxiii-2s is pretty bad too, idk which one I hate more. FF7 remakes carbuncle is also ugly as sin.
Edit' ffxii's is not even the same species that they would have been better off called something else, maybe then I would have given them a chance.
Edit' ffxii's is not even the same species that they would have been better off called something else, maybe then I would have given them a chance.
ok.... do you feel similarly about Carbuncle looking like an alien in 8, a fennec fox in 15 and a squirrel in 14?
The Ivalice moogles are still instantly recognizable as moogles
You're missing the weird mutant koala from FF7r
The fuck is that bullshit?
I vote for that one.
I actually enjoyed this design, really hammered home the body horror elements of FFXI's mythos and Tonberries are basically eldritch beings in leather coat and a knife with a lantern. But seeing it without the setup in XI proper (which was enough for me i suppose) I can see how someone could go eww, hell even a XI player might go eww come to think of it. XDwhatever 12 did with the moogles, it sure as hell wasn't as bad as these abomination they called tonberries
Not really, because before 8 it had only shared a similar design twice (and from a personal view 8 was my first game featuring Carbuncle anyway). Most of the summons usually share some kind of characteristic (Carbuncle is small with a red stone on his head, Ifrit is a male fiery thing, Shiva is a female ice thing, Ramuh is an old electric dude) but even with those examples they have much less consistency than something like Final Fantasy's premier mascots, moogles and chocobos. They don't even appear in every game and often have big design differences, so you're not trained to expect the consistency as much.
My first reply pointed out specific examples of creatures that are designed with consistency (chocobos, moogles, cactuar, even Marlboro) as opposed to characters that have either never or very rarely shared a design despite the name (virtually most summons/espers/eidolons/esper/gf/even the term they go by changes, Biggs and Wedge, Cid). My second post linked you to the wiki article that shows 20+ consistent moogle designs from the series and spinoffs with the only exceptions being those from Ivalice.
If you can't understand the point being made and why someone would feel the way myself and others do, it's because of your own lack of willingness to engage with the point. It's like you're trying to find some gotcha that proves I couldn't possibly hold this opinion and be consistent with it, so my opinion must be wrong or something. But maybe it's like just my opinion, and it's well reasoned enough for it to not bother you that people out there hold that opinion.
I questioned your No true Scotsman about cartoon bat koalas because it seemed like a nitpick rather than anything to do with quality creature design in the first place. That's like, what forums and this thread are for? Otherwise its just strangers making a list and then moving on like engaging with other people was never the intent.
That's no moogle.You're missing the weird mutant koala from FF7r
That thing reminds me of the movie ted.You're missing the weird mutant koala from FF7r
I'm not sure why you bring up FFXV Ifrit in particular, that is a very classic Ifrit design. Ifrit started out looking like a dude with big horns with a distinctive curve. They then slowly amped up Ifrit's bestial traits until he went 100% monster and then 100% lizard in FFXIV. They are still clearly Ifrit though, because they have the horns. It's a really particular pair of horns.
The strangest thing about FFXV Ifrit isn't that he is very human-like. Ifrit started very human-like, same as Ramuh, Shiva, and Titan. No, the weird thing about FFXV Ifrit is his upright posture. That is what makes him stand out compared to every other Ifrit.
Final Fantasy XV Bahamut is weird as hell though.
I stand by my opinions on moogles.
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Who hurt you, OP? No Moogles are the worst Moogles.
So the answer is Final Fantasy II's beavers.
Still an all-time stone cold classic line of dialogue.
omfg LOL
Why is this moogle wearing a pair of underwear on its head?
Moogles seem to always hit that spot where I just love them. Some feel "less Moogle" but they're all fantastic. Which is funny, since I'm not even a longtime Final Fantasy guy. My first exposure to Moogle was in Mario Hoops on DS, but they became one of my favorite character designs.
I *think* that is supposed to be a white headband, like the one worn by the Moogle in the original version of ChocoMog. It isn't very well designed, though.
If I'm not mistaken that is a hachimaki, a headband worn by japanese pilots going off to war
FF7R's is somewhat uncanny valley. It reminds me of Sonic the movie pre-redesign, with all those realistic features (e.g. teeth) added to an otherwise cartoony character. It's kind of hilarious looking though so I guess that works?
To be fair, the original had it as well, although I think it looks much better here since there's a clear difference between it and the moogle, whereas Remake's kind of blends in.
When Final Fantasy VII Remake does some design changes... it really goes off the rails as evidenced with Carbuncle, Chocobo Chick and its Moogle.
Can't wait what they come up with for Part 2! 🤷♂️
Can't wait what they come up with for Part 2! 🤷♂️
I had not seen the FF7r moogles until coming into this thread. Now that's something I can never unsee. I'm reminded of the original Sonic movie design before it was updated.
My favorite moogles are the Ivalice moogles but honestly I love all moogles. Well, except for one now lol.
My favorite moogles are the Ivalice moogles but honestly I love all moogles. Well, except for one now lol.
This is objectively the worst thing, right here. It's a moogle version of Olaf and I hate everything about it. Wretched diseased creature
Ivalice moogles win the thread.
Ugh, I had almost forgotten about Mog's appearance in FF7R. I wonder how different the results would be if DiipuSurotu had included it in the poll...