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Dec 26, 2017
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Bionicle 3: Web of Shadow's.

Yes Legends of Metru Nui ended with the Toa Metru completing their Heroes Journey (particularly Vakama's of learning from failure and the responsibilities of leadership) reawakening the Matoran rescued from The Makuta's post-Great-Cataclysm plans. Using up their power and becoming the Village elders known from the present arc. How about instead of returning to the present day arc and follow the Toa Nuva's continuing quest to reawaken Mata Nui, we instead have an interquel set before the 2nd movies epilogue, to fill in some small continuity errors that could well be dealt with in the books/comics. Oh and lets have the characters become mutated so we can have an arc of one of the characters deciding to betray the team because of it which kind of loses any of its drama/tension as we know it gets resolved by the end of the previous movie. Although saying all that the dynamic between Vakama and Matau gets fleshed out and resolved in it, which was well done.
A lot of people won't get this one, but I 100% agree! This is where Bionicle lost me - I really enjoyed the story up through Mask of Light, and then instead of moving forward after that, they did a flashback to Metru Nui. And this was fine, but then they did a flashback within the flashback and the story just lost all its momentum by spending multiple years going backwards instead of showing us what happened next in the present.
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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No because TLJ actually uses the "Yes,and" approach.

The real culprit is "Yes the Empire was defeated but it came back in full force and nothing really changed"
This is one of the big turnoffs for me when I saw TFA. They just plugged in new baddies to replace the ones that were beaten in the original trilogy to continue what was pretty much the same war.
 
Dec 25, 2018
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A lot of people won't get this one, but I 100% agree! This is where Bionicle lost me - I really enjoyed the story up through Mask of Light, and then instead of moving forward after that, they did a flashback to Metru Nui. And this was fine, but then they did a flashback within the flashback and the story just lost all its momentum by spending multiple years going backwards instead of showing us what happened next in the present.
Thankfully once they got back to the present with the Inika/Piraka they kept moving forward without anymore prequel stuff.
Though I do wonder how things would have went if they skipped the Hordika arc and just went straight to the Inika/Piraka stuff, how would they 3rd movie have gone? or if they would have been able to do some of the stuff they wanted to do later on in the axed plans for the Bara Magna arc (like Mata Nui and co going to a moon full of dinosaurs or being able to more with the final year)
 

Xero grimlock

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Dec 1, 2017
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The Dark Knight Rises? Yes they will hunt him because he can take it, because he's a silent guardian a watchful protector... but the Dent Act swept up all crime so Bruce quit being Batman to be holed up in his mansion depressed for the last 8 years.

Terminator 3: "You shouldn't exist. We took out Cyberdyne over ten years ago. We stopped Judgment Day." "Yes, but... Judgment Day is inevitable"
to be fair in terminator 2 I believe the ter.i ator tells them that they likely cannot change the future, ut they attempt to anyways out of hope. Being able to stop judgment day doesn't make sense with how tine works in terminator anyways.a more accurate one is from t1 to t2

t1 starts with humans one we crushed their defense matrix they are destroyed, but they sent 1 last ditch effort back in time just before to try and change it. the time machine was a hail mary for the machines.

T2 the machines have another teleporter and a way more advanced robot and actually aren't destroyed and the fight is still going.
 

Katten

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Oct 27, 2017
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Every single Highlander thing since the first movie.

Yes, there can be only one. But ...
 

Cipher Peon

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Oct 25, 2017
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The absolute worst example of this

in ALL of fiction

is Halloween Resurrection. It's quite possibly the hardest and most dramatic backpedal in a series drowning in a torrent of hard and dramatic backpedals.
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
I'll start with Alien 3

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"Yes, Ripley saved her friends and escaped the Alien infested planet but they all died off screen and now she's alone again in another planet with a loose Alien that somehow escaped with her"

Literally what I came in here to post. I've never watched this movie because of that. I honestly never want to. The dying offscreen thing just cheapens the hell out of Aliens.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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TLJs biggest yea but for me was just basically Luke's whole character. Luke in Empire: a new path for the Jedi, abandoning tradition. Luke in TLJ: THE SACRED TEXTS!!!

the whole sequel trilogy is trash...

The biggest Yea.but I can think of wasnt a sequel, it was the end of Repo-men. Where you get to the end and its like "Yea, but the entire second half of the movie didn't happen and hes been mostly dead the whole time". Such a bad movie.
 
Jun 10, 2018
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I think this is more people misunderstanding the movie, than the movie doing something that doesn't make sense. Pretty much everything in Toy Story 4 makes sense, the only thing that didn't make much sense was Buzz becoming very dumb in some situations.
Yep. I'm definitely starting to feel like the premise is being intentionally misunderstood just to push the narrative that it's a bad film.

The underlying theme of existentialism has been present throughout every single film in the series, with the only variation is how that topic is addressed.
 

Katten

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Oct 27, 2017
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Literally what I came in here to post. I've never watched this movie because of that. I honestly never want to. The dying offscreen thing just cheapens the hell out of Aliens.

Honestly, there is some merit to it, especially if you watch the not entirely the directors cut of the movie.

I love the shit out of Alien and Aliens, and if you take them as different takes on the universe, both followups have their merits. I just can't ever see them as actual followups to the brilliant first two.
 

CloudWolf

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Oct 26, 2017
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American Psycho 2

Yes, the entire point of American Psycho was that nobody cared about the murders and they might not even have happened at all (or at least not in the way shown in the film)... but what if Patrick Bateman was the most notorious serial killer in American history and was also killed by a little girl.
 

Gaia Lanzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel this is like all the Hostel movies after the first one. Yes, Paxton escaped the black market/dark web "red room"-esque "pay-per-snuff" business of a small, podunk Eastern European town, but it turns out it's not some out-of-the-way thrill kill experience isolated to that town, but it's worldwide and is basically Illuminati-like shit... oh, and Paxton's decapitated by assassins.
 

Doggg

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Nov 17, 2017
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Highlander 2

Yes but what if Highlander were really fucking terrible
 

Westbahnhof

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Oct 27, 2017
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American Psycho 2

Yes, the entire point of American Psycho was that nobody cared about the murders and they might not even have happened at all (or at least not in the way shown in the film)... but what if Patrick Bateman was the most notorious serial killer in American history and was also killed by a little girl.
...American Psycho 2 exists?

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PlatStrat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Zero Time Dilemma
Yes the whole point of this game was to prevent the radical 6 virus from killing 2/3rds of the population, BUT in order to do that, the twin son of two of the protagonists from another timeline sent back to the past had to RELEASE said virus into the world in order to stop a terrorist from killing ALL of humanity which is now the current timeline with no clue as to who that terrorist is or how to stop them. Also that character was there in the game the whole time but you just didn't see them. Fucking complex motives.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is a stealth Last Jedi thread, isn't it?
Surely a Rise of Skywalker thread? Yes Rey's parents were nobodies but her grandfather was Palpatine. Yes Kylo killed Snoke and became Supreme Leader but in the first few minutes he'll find a new Sith dude to be a lackey to and him being leader will barely matter and feel like it's forgotten about after a certain point. Yes Luke faced down the First Order and reaffirmed his legend that was spread across the galaxy but no-one cared until Lando turns up.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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I will stan for Alien 3 till the day I die. It is bleak and cruel and the Alien is once again relentless and near unstoppable. Of all the Alien related films, it is the only one to get even remotely close to the original in how it feels.

I think Resurrection fits the OP even better. Ripley loses and/or sacrifices everything to stop this creature and those that would exploit it only to be cloned and have to do the shit all over again. It completely invalidates the struggles, loss, and ultimate sacrifice of Ripley.
Oh I don't think it invalidates anything. It always felt like this nihilistic, "you can literally never escape them now." it's super bleak but wrapped up with a lot of dark comedy and body horror.

But I actually dig the shit out of Alien Resurrection.

Really the big one is Alien: Covenant. "Yes, but you have to kill Shaw and all the cool stuff in Prometheus happens off screen this time. Also remake the entire first movie but jam it into the last 20 minutes."
 

TheOther

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Jan 10, 2019
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Oh I don't think it invalidates anything. It always felt like this nihilistic, "you can literally never escape them now." it's super bleak but wrapped up with a lot of dark comedy and body horror.

But I actually dig the shit out of Alien Resurrection.

Really the big one is Alien: Covenant. "Yes, but you have to kill Shaw and all the cool stuff in Prometheus happens off screen this time. Also remake the entire first movie but jam it into the last 20 minutes."
I actually like Alien Resurrection as well.
 

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The Foundation sequels.

The Mule and the Second Foundation are defeated and the Seldon plan will succeed in bringing about the Second Galactic Empire.

Yes but... what if there's another force that might be influencing the future of the galaxy...
 

Castform

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Jan 10, 2018
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Doctor Sleep (movie) is the first one that comes to mind. "Yes, Danny escaped his father at the Overlook hotel, but now there's psychic vampires and we're going to over explain every thing from the first film and do a superhero movie."
 

skeezx

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Oct 27, 2017
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any slasher horror is rife with this. after 30 movies they cap it off with Jonny Chainsaw Hands Finally Rots in Hell and it is the 'last movie' in some respects but it comes back as a reboot or some weird thing (like New Nightmare)
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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The absolute worst example of this

in ALL of fiction

is Halloween Resurrection. It's quite possibly the hardest and most dramatic backpedal in a series drowning in a torrent of hard and dramatic backpedals.
Ah yes, where somehow they went back on "The hard to kill bad guy literally gets his head cut off after a great final confrontation with his archenemy".

Can anyone summarize why Halloween resurrection counts? I'm curious
At the end of Halloween H20, Laurie incapacitates Michael Myers, and he's taken off in an ambulance. Knowing he'll just return probably after killing his way out of the hospital, and really just having had enough of his shit, Laurie grabs a fireaxe and hijacks the ambulance, leading eventually (as she expected) to him killing his way out, eventually there's a crash and she crushes him between the van and a tree. She walks up to him, he reaches out to her, and without a word she just swings the axe and slices his head clean off. The definitive, unambiguous end of Michael Myers.

OR IS IT? Psych! Halloween Resurrection reveals that, somehow, Michael actually swapped places with a paramedic and put his mask on him, and it was the paramedic that Laurie killed, and Jamie Lee Curtis is done with this never-knowing-when-to-stop franchise and mandates she be quickly killed off in the opening scene. Anyway, here's Busta Rhymes and a reality TV show in the Myers house. The internet is hip in 2003!

Trick or treat, motherfucker!
 
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"Yes, Corallians and Humans find peace. Renton and Eureka finally become a couple and Eureka can now realize her dream of being a mother and creating life...
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BUT WHAT IF THE AIR KILLS HER BABIES VIA SUFFOCATION AS SOON AS THEY ARE BORN!?
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SO THAT SHE HAS TO FUCKING TIME TRAVEL HER NEXT SON TO A PAST WITH NON ALIEN LETHAL AIR OR SOMETHING"
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can we count Kingsman 2, having spent the first film introducing Eggsy and his female fellow rookie into the Kingsmen organization, randomly destroying the entire organization 15 minutes into the film (including fridging the female lead off-screen) and jettisoning the whole prim and proper English stuffshirt setting, so the rest is just about Eggsy hanging with American cowboy spies instead?

And of course, despite being shot in the face, Colin Firth is just alive and well in the sequel through ridiculous sci-fi tech.
 

Cipher Peon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ah yes, where somehow they went back on "The hard to kill bad guy literally gets his head cut off after a great final confrontation with his archenemy".


At the end of Halloween H20, Laurie incapacitates Michael Myers, and he's taken off in an ambulance. Knowing he'll just return probably after killing his way out of the hospital, and really just having had enough of his shit, Laurie grabs a fireaxe and hijacks the ambulance, leading eventually (as she expected) to him killing his way out, eventually there's a crash and she crushes him between the van and a tree. She walks up to him, he reaches out to her, and without a word she just swings the axe and slices his head clean off. The definitive, unambiguous end of Michael Myers.

OR IS IT? Psych! Halloween Resurrection reveals that, somehow, Michael actually swapped places with a paramedic and put his mask on him, and it was the paramedic that Laurie killed, and Jamie Lee Curtis is done with this never-knowing-when-to-stop franchise and mandates she be quickly killed off in the opening scene. Anyway, here's Busta Rhymes and a reality TV show in the Myers house. The internet is hip in 2003!

Trick or treat, motherfucker!
The way you describe it makes it look really bad, which is to say I think you're being way too kind to it :p

It's MUCH worse than that for me haha
 

mclem

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's still a great film, but I can't help but dislike Die Hard With A Vengeance for losing two of the things that I felt gave the first two things a little extra frisson of uniqueness; being set at Christmas and being underpinned by John and Holly's relationship.
 

Westbahnhof

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Oct 27, 2017
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Tremors 2. Yes, but we'll leave out Kevin Bacon.
Tremors 3+ Yes, but we'll leave out Fred Ward.

Just kidding, I enjoyed all the Tremors movies! Guilty pleasure!
Those movies have one of the largest translation errors I've ever encountered.
I think it happens in the 3rd one, where a character says that he needs a "Pfeife" to build a weapon of some sort.
Now, "Pfeife" is "pipe"... as in, "a tobacco pipe". What they actually look for, and find, is a "Rohr", the type of pipe you use to transport fluid.
Honestly amazing.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'll start with Alien 3

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"Yes, Ripley saved her friends and escaped the Alien infested planet but they all died off screen and now she's alone again in another planet with a loose Alien that somehow escaped with her"

I'd say Resurrection is way worse for this:

"Yes but what if she's not dead and they find her blood 'n' bones at the bottom of the molten lava somehow?"

Did somebody say Toy Story 3 to 4?

Yes, Andy decided that making a little girl happy by giving her his favorite childhood toy was more important than him holding on to him for sentimental values but never getting use out of him. Yes, the little girl seems really happy to have this cowboy toy. YES, Andy stresses just how god damn important this cowboy toy is as he closes the movie with a sentimental goodbye between toys and their owner.

BUT we need Woody to leave the gang by the end and kids are fickle and have short attention spans so fuck Woody, Bonny has other stuff to care about.

Fuck yes to all of this.

Fuck Toy Story 4. Ruined the entire franchise.

"Yes but what if Woody is actually a self-centered dick and only said that shit about sticking with your child because he was the favorite?"
 
Sep 14, 2019
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"Yes Yugi defeated the Pharaoh with his wit and strategy thus proving that he doesn't need ancient Egyptian magic to be the King of Games BUT this new enemy is like really hard and Yugi can barely touch him with his strategies until the Pharaoh comes back and one shots him with the Magical BS we were told wasn't needed anymore"

Fuck this movie, I can't believe GX was more respectful of this idea than Takahashi

I enjoyed the movie until the very end. Yeah, I was pissed off, too.
 

The Hobo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Terminator 2

"Yes, Skynet sent a Terminator back as a last ditch effort just before it was defeated, but it also managed to send another Terminator too."
 

wow_bob_wow

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Oct 28, 2017
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Ghostbusters 2?

"Yes, the Ghostbusters stopped a 50 foot Marshmellow Man stomping through New York seen by thousands of people, but now everyone somehow thinks they're frauds again and they're broke."

Stay Puft was around for like, 10-15 minutes.

There are people who think COVID-19 isn't real.

I'll buy it!
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Yes Yugi defeated the Pharaoh with his wit and strategy thus proving that he doesn't need ancient Egyptian magic to be the King of Games BUT this new enemy is like really hard and Yugi can barely touch him with his strategies until the Pharaoh comes back and one shots him with the Magical BS we were told wasn't needed anymore"

Fuck this movie, I can't believe GX was more respectful of this idea than Takahashi

Hey, at least we got Blue Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon out of it...
 

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But that's never used as a cheap way to Kickstart the plot. The new avatar is bad at being spiritual which makes it harder for her to connect with her past selves and then she takes a major loss and loses the chance of ever doing it.

A better example would be the Avatar comics. "Yes the fire nation was defeated and their new leader is a good person, but he likes to go full Nazi from time to time reigniting the same conflicts until he has to be reminded yet again that Nazi=Bad and apologizes"
I never read the comics but they turn Zuko into a fascist?
 

Tuck

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did somebody say Toy Story 3 to 4?

Yes, Andy decided that making a little girl happy by giving her his favorite childhood toy was more important than him holding on to him for sentimental values but never getting use out of him. Yes, the little girl seems really happy to have this cowboy toy. YES, Andy stresses just how god damn important this cowboy toy is as he closes the movie with a sentimental goodbye between toys and their owner.

BUT we need Woody to leave the gang by the end and kids are fickle and have short attention spans so fuck Woody, Bonny has other stuff to care about.
Yeah this kind of ruined toy story 4 for me. Or maybe not ruined but really cast it in a bad light. They could have found a better way to handle this than Bonnie neglecting woody.
 
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I never read the comics but they turn Zuko into a fascist?

Not exactly, but it turns out his insecurities make him a spineless leader at least during his first few years, so literally any Ozai loyalist, be it Azula or a random general, just tells him "You see this problem you're having? This would've never happened to your father he would've done this fascist BS".

So Zuko gets insecure and immediately does the fascist bullshit and then after a while realizes it's bad and says he's sorry.

It happens at least three times.