If we miraculously get a vaccine right before the election, you're damn right I'm waiting a few weeks.
I'm all for getting vaccinated, but the US is compromised.
I'm all for getting vaccinated, but the US is compromised.
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Worrying Signs' of Falling Trust in Coronavirus Vaccines, as 79 Percent Would Not Get Shot Right Away
- Thread starter SilentPanda
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Repeat after me: "Politics has no influence over science."
If you say it loud enough it might come true.
#ThanksObama
Seriously though, I'd need to have a body of non-government experts come out and say the vaccine is safe before I even consider giving it to my family.
Seriously though, I'd need to have a body of non-government experts come out and say the vaccine is safe before I even consider giving it to my family.
I have complete faith in fully researched and well tested vaccines that have gone through all the necessary trials and processes to prove they are safe and effective. The same goes for medicines in general, big fan.
I have zero trust in the snake oil being pushed by politicians the world over for political gain.
I wish the very best of luck to anyone taking a Covid vaccine that just so happens to drop the week before the US elections, but it couldn't be me.
I have zero trust in the snake oil being pushed by politicians the world over for political gain.
I wish the very best of luck to anyone taking a Covid vaccine that just so happens to drop the week before the US elections, but it couldn't be me.
Seriously. I'll take whatever the EU claims works and is available. Not trusting Trump or the first one out of Russia
Which you will almost certainly have. There isn't going to be a vaccine released in the US that isn't analyzed by top vaccine scientists.
I get wanting to make sure the scientists say its okay, obviously, but there's no reason to be outright distrustful of a vaccine. When it releases, just listen to what the scientists have to say, either way. Saying I will or won't take it at this point is silly. As long as the scientists say its good to go, I will. If by some chance they don't, I won't.
And just so you all saying it know, a lot of regular anti-vaxxers are pretty fond of saying they're not anti vaccine too... they just don't trust the government/etc.... just saying...
I'll trust getting the vaccine here in canada when it's available. I would not trust the one in the states for a while. It's all an issue of trust and the current US government has given plenty of reasons why not to trust them.
the easiest prediction this year was some snake oil injection being marketed as the october surprise for the election
anyone with a brain in their head and a sliver of common sense knows 2021 is the earliest something effective will be ready.
anyone with a brain in their head and a sliver of common sense knows 2021 is the earliest something effective will be ready.
I mean if Fauci gave his blessing on it, sure.
But I don't trust a rushed Trump vaccine designed to come out and get the numbers up before Election Day.
Shall I tell the story of how gun violence research has been held up for decades gun company lobbying in DC?
But I don't trust a rushed Trump vaccine designed to come out and get the numbers up before Election Day.
Shall I tell the story of how gun violence research has been held up for decades gun company lobbying in DC?
Just saying... this administration is untrustworthy as shit. Being wary of a vaccine that comes out in the US, say, the week or month before the election when for most of the year we've been told to expect something by 2021 at the earliest is not the same as being anti-vax. That's just exercising common sense.
I'm not concerned about the immediate effects of the vaccine... but, what if there's a reaction that has a delayed onset? or if it's passed on to another generation?
That's the shit that concerns me.
That's the shit that concerns me.
I compiled an OT on the Oxford Vaccine just for anyone who is unsure or wants to know more about it, the Oxford University website has much information dotted around multiple articles, so I thought I'd create a resource page with the information all there. I am currently looking for the participation website for the trials that have started in the US, since they're wanting to recruit 30, 000 volunteers.
www.resetera.com
The Oxford (Covid 19) Vaccine Trials OT: The More You Know! COVID - OT
This thread is designed to get people up to date with The Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine - which is one of the more promising trials in the world. I have noticed a lot of mistrust and thought I'd set up an OT so those that want to learn more can do so. Information is directly taken from various...
www.resetera.com
You seriously want to inject yourself with whatever trump of pushing out the door door politics? It's could be a vial of nothing for all you know.
Yeah probably because it's likely the shot it going to be the same frontrunners that have been getting tested during this pandemic and have alot of promise. He isn't going to go with a random shot he's definitely going to try to gas up the front runners we have whether they have the complete efficacy data or not.
I love the naivety of people actually believing that politics has no influence over science. I say this working for a state health department in one of the worst hit places in the United States. Politics has infected every single aspect of our response to COVID-19.
Well this is what happens when you make the cure political while giving airspace to those who question the severity of the virus itself
I'm 100% all for vaccines but yeah, there's no way I'm getting one rushed out by the orange shitstain occupying the White House at the moment.
And we know that because it's impossible to hide such things.
We'll know if a vaccine is released way too early because people who know more than any of us here will tell us that it was released way too early.
Can you explain the swine flu narcolepsy thing as condescendingly as possible?
News like this reduces my anxiety:
Pharma Companies Will Commit to Safety in Covid-19 Vaccine
Pharmaceutical companies are aiming to assuage the public’s anxiety, ever inflamed by a selfish U.S. president, over the safety of coronavirus vaccines. To calm fears, big-name drug makers like Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson and Moderna will sign a joint statement to demonstrate their commitment to...
gizmodo.com
And I'm by no means an anti-vaxxer -- I just got the flu shot last week. But with the way Trump has forced the FDA to push terrible COVID treatments like hydroxychloroquine, and now putting his 2020 campaign on the vaccine being available by Nov 1, my faith is just shaky.
FDA revokes emergency use of hydroxychloroquine
Hydroxychloroquine is unlikely "to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA," the FDA says.
www.cnbc.com
My family is fairly well isolated and have no plans on expanding our social activities even when a vaccine is available so we're comfortable waiting for now.
For me it depends on who developed it and who's pushing it. I'm sure as hell not going to rush to get a Trump miracle vaccine (just in time for the election!) pumped into my bloodstream.
Of course the Trump administration is untrustworthy. But they aren't making a vaccine. Highly respected scientists are doing so. Who we will hear from whenever a vaccine comes out.
Also, the part about 2021 at the earliest simply isn't true. We've been hearing late 2020 was possible, though would require extremely positive results, for months. Here's Fauci saying a month and a half ago that October was a possibility. https://www.eatthis.com/fauci-covid-vaccine-october/
It's more to do with who would be pushing them than anything. Trump, Putin, Johnson... Kicking some vaccine out the door super early... I'd have to let the public be guinea pigs for a month or something.
Now if NZ or Canada promoted one I would be like "put me in, coach, I'm ready!"
Now if NZ or Canada promoted one I would be like "put me in, coach, I'm ready!"
Btw, if the November vaccine ends up being the Moderna one, then I would probably get it. But I'm roommates with a person who works there and have been getting regular updates from him on the efficacy of the vaccine. Afaik only one person had an adverse reaction to the most recent trial and he literally didn't think his reaction was bad enough to warrant showing up on the report (they included it anyway because science).
Completely justified. I'm part of that 79 percent. Cause we all know that there is no vaccine currently. So if some already untrustworthy dickwad in charge of some national government comes out and announces this week that "hey, we got a vaccine! Now vote for me in 2020"... yeah, I'd sooner take my chances with COVID-19 than with whatever snake-oil he's guaranteed to be peddling.
2020 vaccine isn't going to be available to a large amount of people. Anything out this year will be focused on health care workers and at risk populations.
Also, sure, I trust Oxford and Pfizer, who are 2 of the 3 closest and are both working with EU countries... but you tell me Moderna is going to be ethical? The guys who have been fighting with testing standards, who are being investigated for manipulating stock prices and insider trading around releasing news?
I'll get anything that comes out and the general community accepts. Even with the political bullshit the FDA / DHS did recently, the scientific community was quick to call bullshit on it. So i'm not really worried about something released and accepted by all...
Not surprised. The media has completely failed to convey from scientists why these vaccines can be made so quickly. The pandemic is far from over.
Who knows what kind of Umbrella shit would come from Trump and Putin's vaccines. I don't trust them.
Better to wait until we see results than rush and be in danger.
Better to wait until we see results than rush and be in danger.
I am not anti-vaxx in any way, shape, or form. My kids are fully vaccinated, I'm fully vaccinated. I believe in science. I believe experts.
...but man I might not want to be among the first wave to get a COVID-19 vaccine, either. I don't have a lot of faith that any first-wave vaccine wasn't rushed along for political purposes. It happened in Russia.
...but man I might not want to be among the first wave to get a COVID-19 vaccine, either. I don't have a lot of faith that any first-wave vaccine wasn't rushed along for political purposes. It happened in Russia.
I would absolutely get a shot right away even with my distrust in the system. I would also continue social distancing habits until we see a clear reduction in the pandemic. Even if the vaccine is effective, no vaccine is 100% guaranteed to confer immunity, so this is a good idea no matter how much time it has to develop.
As far as I've heard, the biggest worry about the upcoming vaccine is the persistence of immunity (vaccines provide immunity for only a limited time; it's why you need to take booster shots for vaccines you have already taken).
As far as I've heard, the biggest worry about the upcoming vaccine is the persistence of immunity (vaccines provide immunity for only a limited time; it's why you need to take booster shots for vaccines you have already taken).
Exactly. I'm pro vaccine but I don't trust this administration with anything
I think the vaccine will be better than people expect. Theres too much money being poured into finding one for the results to be terrible.
Makes sense. I keep hearing that 'I won't get the vaccine until others take it and it's proven safe'. That's fine - but problem is, almost everyone seems to be thinking like that. We aren't going to achieve any sort of herd immunity for a long while even if the vaccine works and is safe, because there's going to be loads of hold outs.
Thats what happens when you rush and waive aways fda standards. I'm not blaming anyone to be skeptical and wait.
People should absolutely be leery of a rushed vaccine with bypassed protocols. I will absolutely not be taking a vaccine prior to outside medical institutions signing off on the validity of trials and the benefits. The trump administration has made it abundantly clear they will bypass any and all safety regulations to promote treatment that doesn't work. Hydroxycloriqun and plasma treatments are just the tip of the iceberg.
If people want to test "approved" vaccines in October/November more power to them. I'm more than willing to wait a few more months to confirm the benefits and risks of how it worked on those people
If people want to test "approved" vaccines in October/November more power to them. I'm more than willing to wait a few more months to confirm the benefits and risks of how it worked on those people
It's not trusting the government telling you the vaccine works. Has little to do with trusting that a vaccine itself will work.
