World's richest 1% cause double CO2 emissions of poorest 50%, says Oxfam
Charity says world’s fast-shrinking carbon budget should be used to improve lot of poorest
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World's richest 1% cause double CO2 emissions of poorest 50%, says Oxfam
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One of my favorite images of all time. Applicable to so many things and continues to be even more applicable the further we go down this road.
I post this image a lot but I'll post it again.
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These days I notice a disturbing trend of "India/China/Africa are polluting/growing too much!" and it is absolutely vital we do not give in to this mindset because that will invariably lead to a modern, globalized lebensraum.
These days I notice a disturbing trend of "India/China/Africa are polluting/growing too much!" and it is absolutely vital we do not give in to this mindset because that will invariably lead to a modern, globalized lebensraum.
I don't have a study to cite, but I would say that they are disproportionately responsible for the fight against doing anything about it, as well.
Wouldn't that just be all of the USA, Canada and various other developed countries where median income is higher than $35K USD per year?
Pretty much. It's 630 million people. Basically, societies where most people have cars and have to drive to work tend to have higher pollution.
This is why I hate it when those at the top are telling US to conserve energy. Just like in previous topics, a good amount of people can't afford to be more efficient, and plenty of us out there are doing what we can. Still, it's also those guys that ruin all combined efforts from the energy they waste, themselves :/ Still good to do what you can, but don't badger us to "try harder" or whatever.
In some cases, this is true. Some major cities in China/India can be ridiculously polluted. However, if you use sites like Purple Air and look at the hot spot pollutors, it's often things like poorly regulated factories, and these can be found in most countries. It's not the poor people running them!
In some cases, this is true. Some major cities in China/India can be ridiculously polluted. However, if you use sites like Purple Air and look at the hot spot pollutors, it's often things like poorly regulated factories, and these can be found in most countries. It's not the poor people running them!
Well when you let a handful of people who want to expand and grow at all (read: lowest) costs control production means that's gonna happen.
Yeah I won't deny the developing countries have a local air/biome quality problem due to overindustrialization mixed with corruption and lax regulations.
"Personal accountability" mythology for the proletariat, unlimited carbon emissions for the bourgeois.
Yes. When talking about the 10% it will include almost all of us.
Poorly regulated factories that may be producing for wealthy other countries so that they can buy useless cheap stuff while not having to do the dirty work and keep the pollution far away.
The people buying it, even in western countries, probably can't afford it unless it was cheap, though. Kind of a cycical issue that can't be helped on the consumer's end. There's a reason why dollar stores in the US are doing so well (who sell that "useless cheap stuff").
The west is has a bigger claim to blame for climate change than any other. Always makes me sick when well off folks here start complaining about over-population and start chastising developing countries.I post this image a lot but I'll post it again.
These days I notice a disturbing trend of "India/China/Africa are polluting/growing too much!" and it is absolutely vital we do not give in to this mindset because that will invariably lead to a modern, globalized lebensraum.
The rich are honestly ruining everything for us, but we continue to blame everything on the poor 🤦
Not surprising, the poorest people in developed countries probably contribute more to the CO2 emissions than the poorest in developing ones too. Imagine if everyone on earth had a car or flew airplanes.
Can we have the guy in the middle look more like Trump than Bernie.
But basically this.
It all started with Al Gore in 2006, did he really think people would not see the hypocrisy of him telling others to reduce their living standards while living in his 20-room mansion with a heated pool and using 221000 kWh of energy per year? An Inconvenient Truth set back the climate change movement for a decade.
The China/India stuff has always been a way for other countries to deflect from their own failings.
If you are posting on a video game forum, chances are that you belong to the richest 10% of the world.
My net worth is literally negative counting my outstanding debt lmao maybe I'm an exception
That includes our western life style, sinophobes love pointing at the CO2 output of China but forget much of the output is due to Western countries moving manufacturing there due to lower costs / much less rules on working conditions.
The west needs to change.
Yep. The thought that we in the 1st world can just continue consuming the same way, but do it "greenly" is a fantasy. Your Tesla is an empty gesture.
I don't think anyone on this forum does this. Population growth is the biggest factor that will determine the human impact on climate change over the next century. Of course it's an extremely difficult issue to discuss because it's so often used as a cudgel by racists and eugenicists, but empowering women, providing family planning services, and lifting people out of poverty is necessary the world over if we're going to have any chance at success.
Michael Moore depressing interview "It might be too late".
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Indeed. Seems like the carbon free goals of most western nations are based on fraudulent math. I have a friend who used to works at medium sized steel production company and they got tax breaks and all kind of EU funding because they cut their production emissions by over 70% or something like that. But the truth is they just moved most of production to asia. Most likely their production pollutes even more now. But yet the company can boast about their green credentials.
Production emissions should count the whole cycle of a product. For example Apple Ipad's carbon foot print should count mining of the minerals, shipping, actual production, waste management, etc. Everything. Then we should slap tax on the product based on that calculation.
It's not sinophobic to be against a surveillance regime government that puts their citizens in concentration camps. You can be both against western capitalism and China
Where did I say anything remotely tankie? I'm purely talking emissions.
And being "against China" is a pretty problematic statement.
Fuck the CCP but many Chinese citizens are decent people, being raised in a state with 24/7 propaganda is not their fault.
But can't China or their wealthy elite refuse the western contracts? Your post makes no sense. It's not entirely on the west.
You used "sinophobic" which clearly means you're defending tankies. All those other words you used don't matter.
That's pretty dirty when things can be offshored that way to be "their problem".
The wealthy never care though, same shit there as here.
Poor people always get exploited.
Then how is it on the West? China can refuse the contracts for western corporations to manufacture on their land.
Acknowledging China's CO2 output isn't sinophobic.
and you can't absolve the Chinese government in this since the Chinese government has a stake in pretty much every major corporation incorporated in China.
If we didn't use Chinese labour it would be African labour or whatever other part of the world that's exploitable.
The goods produced are mostly for western markets, so obviously our way of consuming needs to change.
Exploit what? Any foreign sovereignty can outright refuse western business. uh, the eastern market is massive as well. has nothing to do with the west entirely.
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I'd wager in Resetera it does mean defending tankies since you're not responding to an audience of racists and conservatives here.
The US democracy and government is fucked but it's not anywhere as fucked as China. At least we have a chance to change it in a few weeks.
Also don't forget that it's the wealthy Chinese people's demand for exotic meat that caused the Covid-19 outbreak and non transparency and secrecy of the Chinese government that resulted in it spreading everywhere.
So while a vast majority of people in China are victims just like the rest of us, the Chinese ruling class is guilty and should be hated.
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And give up market dominance to rival firms who don't? This is the world global capitalism has built. You participate or you fall behind.