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World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth |OT2| Bless Your Heart
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Outtakes at the end were even funnier
"6 miles I walked! THROUGH F**KIN GRAIN! I'M GLUTEN FREE YOU F**KIN KNOW THAT!"
Fuck, alliance and horde playing together shot down. I figured this was the case when it hadn't been mentioned yet but they really fumbled the writing. It really seemed things were heading that way. Very disappointed.
Is anyone else seeing an odd language on the blizzard shop page? That's the only one and on my account page it says it's still set to english.
Is anyone else seeing an odd language on the blizzard shop page? That's the only one and on my account page it says it's still set to english.
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Well these Sylvanas retcons sure are something.
But I'm so hyped about Shadowlands that I pretty much don't care. Oh well!
But I'm so hyped about Shadowlands that I pretty much don't care. Oh well!
Guess I am going to farm Shadowmourne after all.
The killing of the Lich King comes later though. All the killing she has done has made her stronger, she will obviously have enough power by the time she takes on the LK. Not really a retcon, more a procon.
Oh I get her taking down Bolvar (though he's not dead), I assumed the retcon was saying she's been working with the jailer since the end of Wrath.
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that's it yeah.
Her being heroic in Legion has been retconned to "she was just trying to be Warchief/gain power"
which literally doesn't match the in game cinematics but ok. I'm done with their story they've decimated for her. Just give me the expansion, lol.
It was stated at one of the panels that he knows she's coming and raises them to fight against her. I imagine that's what the new starting area will cover.
I believe the stated answer here is Bolvar creates the new Death Knights prior to the cinematic, knowing that Sylvanas is coming. Similar to how any Death Knight prior to Shadowlands goes all the way back to before Wrath in the timeline.
Why is it a retcon? Even if it's stupid, couldn't it truly, feasibly have been a long con?
I don't think Bolvar needs the helm to make Death Knights.
The Legion class campaign has you (the Deathlord) raising Trollbane, Nazgrim, and Whitemaine as Death Knights.
I, flatly, don't believe them. Everything from the mechanics to the narrative points to them doing a soft "reboot" and dissolving the current faction system. Maybe not this x-pac, but it's coming. The divide makes no sense anymore and with the player base dwindling YoY there's no reason to continue it. It's not like the story content is markedly different once you get past a certain point.
Yeah, that's also possible. We also don't know what effects the veil between life and death being destroyed will have on folks already attuned to Death magic. Bolvar aint the Lich King anymore but he may be still be analogous to a top-tier Death Knight.
I'm very interested in seeing how his story plays out. Is he the de-facto leader of the Ebon Blade? Is he doing his own thing? There's a lot of potential now that they have firmly shot down the "lich king 2.0 evil bolvar" possibility.
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It just doesn't make sense with how they've written her previously - including the scene where Vol'jin names her Warchief and she's visibly confused by all of it and then after she's clearly like "we're gonna fuck the Legion up because they killed my bro who I respected even if I didn't always -agree- with."
Her being a villain this whole time is insulting to the players, especially her fans. Imagine siding with her in BFA and then just now being like "lol y'all are actually idiots she fucked you over lolololol" in an official capacity because that's absolutely what happened. It sucks. She wasn't "visibly evil" until BFA and now they're just pretending everyone was just too stupid to see it or whatever since 2009. What a terrible plot choice.
To me, it just comes off as the new writing team trying to have their cake and eat it too.
There's a way that Sylvanas' behavior makes sense and that the revelation that she's been soulbound (I'm assuming that's what this is) to The Jailer makes sense...if you make it recent history. There was a notable shift in Sylvanas' perceived motivations all the way back in Legion, and yeah the idea was that this had a lot to do with her deal with Helya, but there's room to make it deeper than that.
Sylvanas binding herself to the Jailer back in Edge of Night? That...just doesn't track. Sure, it makes sense in that the place Sylvanas went to when she died was likely the Maw. But Sylvanas had so much character growth between that moment and Legion that...it doesn't really work that all this time she had all these behind-the-scenes machinations going on.
There's a way that Sylvanas' behavior makes sense and that the revelation that she's been soulbound (I'm assuming that's what this is) to The Jailer makes sense...if you make it recent history. There was a notable shift in Sylvanas' perceived motivations all the way back in Legion, and yeah the idea was that this had a lot to do with her deal with Helya, but there's room to make it deeper than that.
Sylvanas binding herself to the Jailer back in Edge of Night? That...just doesn't track. Sure, it makes sense in that the place Sylvanas went to when she died was likely the Maw. But Sylvanas had so much character growth between that moment and Legion that...it doesn't really work that all this time she had all these behind-the-scenes machinations going on.
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hey you all. My wife and I are thinking about going back to wow and start a new life on the german RP server "Aldor".
Now I bought BFA back in the day digitally, but she never got it. I think she left after pandaria. Would the complete collection be the right choice for her, so she can get the 110 boost, 60 days of play time and all the expacs she missed now?
Or would that create a whole new WoW account for her (she does still want to play with her old chars)?
Keeping Pathfinder sucks ass. I already know I won't want to level alts until I get Pathfinder, which means it feels like an obligation, and it's not fun at all. I don't know how it's contentious. Who's out there going "I absolutely do not want to be able to fly until a year after the expansion comes out and a shitty grind?" Just let people fly at max level and be done with it ffs.
they should make transmogging legendaries cost a substantial gold sum. they must do something to make it retain unique/rarity otherwise it just devalues it when everyone is running around with legendary transmogs
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"Just acting" doesn't work for the players though. Not in my opinion, at least.
It's just another example of "GOTCHA!!" writing which isn't good or clever. Yeah, it boils down to multiple writers handling a set of characters over the past few years but nothing in her motivation showed her being this blatantly psychopathic character and as Royal said, there's potential motivations there that could have been handled well.
People who are trying to go ITS OBVIOUS SHES BEEN EVIL THIS WHOLE TIME are laughing it up right now but if they step down for a second and actually look at it objectively you can see a clear shift in when her motivations changed, not in character, but just from a writer's standpoint. I think that no one knew what to do with her or whatever and they've just decided another horde leader should be the greatest evil.
Kill her off. Let's be done with this mess. Just, for fuck's sake, stop making the player factions leaders go insane. It's a terrible story beat. Give it a rest.
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Patty Mattson was probably just given the direction of "Soap Opera villainess from the 80's. Think General Hospital's Helena Cassadine but dialed up to 11." and went to town. She's a great VA but Blizzard really just wants you to know how E V I L she is lol
so the consensus from various youtuber interviews seems to be that Shadowlands is VERY early and it might be like a December 2020 release (in fact Preach says he heard December 2020). In fact, that seems like a theme for Blizzcon, every game got a "I dont know when it will come out" response (D4 certainly, but OW2 also apparently)
BfA beta (or well, "alpha) opened up shortly after the blizzcon reveal I believe? That definitely doesn't seem to be the case here.
I am being as objective as you are. By my judgement, the evil behavior has been the norm since Cata, with the heroic behavior only being interludes. It is far easier to explain the virtuous deeds as acting then to explain how she is "really a good person" yet has repeatedly committed vile deeds.
That is, if you are looking for a consistent explanation of her behavior.
If you step back and look at the writing pattern of WoW as a whole, it really shows that the plot has many similarities to comic books. Retcons are commonly done to justify plot developments, characters change nature to fit the current story, and power levels fluctuate to allow whomever the writer wants to win to do so. I know we would both like a higher standard of consistency, but I think it's safer to keep your expectations in check.
IMO, Blizzard chooses the overall theme of an expansion, devises set pieces by the "rule of cool", stretches the lore to justify mechanics they want to implement, and only then - if they have time - write good stories to go with it. The times they have succeeded in producing a good story in WoW are the exception, not the norm.
Nothing against her as an actress, but I miss Piera Coppola's WC3 Sylvanas.
She wasn't directed to be inanely evil, rather Sylvanas actually had depth of character and sympathetic motivations then: willful leader struggling against the Scourge, made to participate in her people's slaughter, then breaks away and rallies free undead and outwits dreadlords, all while rueing the curse of undeath.
WoW's Sylvanas may as well be a completely different character, and that's cemented in the voice direction she's given.
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The time change fucked me up so I was up extremely early. And since they announced leveling changes of course I started working on getting another character through BFA content instead of waiting.
just spent 2 hours farming 40 Echoes of Mortality. I recommend going to Blood Gate in Zuldazar and join a premade group. Constant spawning trolls, I imagine millions of their souls have been sent to the shadowlands at this point lol. It's where everyone is farming for the echoes.
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Controversial opinion coming - I quite like it. Though I do agree that waiting until a future patch is too much. I definitely approve of the loremaster part of the requirement though, rather than a simple level cap requirement, since it means you know the lands you're flying over really well. I think it's a good balance between the obvious QoL benefits of flying, and ensuring players don't miss out on environmental narrative and immersion while questing for the first time.
I do completely understand that a lot of players don't care for questing and immersion, but I do think Pathfinder mostly gets the balance right between the issues on both sides of the problem. Though again, I agree that it should be achievable from the start of an expansion for the players that just want to rush through the quests/rep because they appreciate the QoL benefits more than most.
It's odd, right? Over a year of BfA still to go, and how much new content over that year? One of the things I really appreciate about ESO is how consistently they put out new content. Never more than 3 months from the next patch, and every 6 months is a new zone. I know Blizzard keep saying they want to move towards smaller but more frequent expansions (and they'd better lower the prices a bit if they ever do that...) but it's weird to see them keep acknowledging this issue and consistently failing to sort it out.
D4 is an even weirder issue given they've targeted the PS4/Xbone, but clearly won't be launching the game until they're considered last gen consoles. Any competition is going to look a whole generation ahead =/
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We aren't getting a beta until the new raid launches I'd say so February ish seems about right.
Yeah if it was just Loremaster and you could unlock it as soon as the expansion is out I'd be fine with it. It's mostly being forced to do boring WQs for weeks that gets me, and having to wait until x.2. It's far too long. I probably agree with you that it's the best middle ground, though I wouldn't be upset if they just let players fly all the time, because flying is fun. Getting dazed off your mount is not.
Yeah, dazed has always been an awful mechanic. I have no idea how that's still a thing.
Yeah....in and of itself, it wouldn't be a huge deal if we're looking in the context of BfA...
Except that we as players have actual 'official' external fiction that takes place before then (Edge of Night, Before the Storm, and to some extent, the three sisters comic) that gives voice to Sylvanas' plans at the time - that we have access to through actually 'seeing' her own internal motivations - in that she wanted to use the valky'r/the forsaken as a shield against going back to the Maw.
Of which, her (relatively) small actions in Legion make sense - she wants Helya's lantern to make more valky'r, and thus, enters some kind of mystery 'bargain' with her....and she also literally states that she didn't want to be warchief, and was doing it out of respect for Vol'jin.
(Granted, the 'mystery' bargain has a lot of the same narrative traps that JJ Abrams likes to use in the 'lots of mystery for everyone' level of bad writing, but it wasn't really followed up on at the time - I assume that by now, it's Helya asking to be freed in exchange for helping Sylv out)
Only now, that entire sequence has been changed, which leads to a new 'read' on the situation of the events of early BfA with the burning as a sacrifice to the Jailor instead of to decimate the alliance.
In and of itself, the retcon makes....at least some sense if we're limited to only looking at BfA - but it reverses a LOT of pre-published work/information about Sylvanas' motivations/goals.
In essence, it changes Sylvanas' even into more of a 'twirly-mustache' 4d evil chess player, because apparently, she was lying not only to others, but to her own internal monologues.
It's pretty evident Blizz had to massively course-adjust (and/or the rule of cool first and foremost) based on response to BfA, but this is.....bleargh.
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