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Women are happier without children or a spouse (UP: claim called into question; see threadmark)
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I find that happiness starts within you first and foremost. A family should add to that happiness. I know so many single people men and women that are unhappy and depressed. The same thing for some married people. It really starts within.
So wait. Am I wrong in interpreting this as saying that men aren't happier either, just less likely to do dumb shit and thus more likely to live longer?
Is there any break down between straight/gay couples with this? I'm feeling like this is entirely a man/woman social dynamic problem.
I implore you all to take studies like this, hell, studies at all, with a grain of salt.
It's very easy to rearrange data to get the information you want. Knowing nothing about the specific researcher, this data could mean everything or absolutely nothing. Since we've heard the opposite from other studies, perhaps the likely answer is there's no general rule for human happiness. Regardless of sex, gender, race, age, etc., we're all very much individuals. One person's happiness could be another person's misery.
In my opinion, humans are better together. Whether that's a heterosexual or homosexual relationship, a platonic relationship, whatever it may be, we're happier together than alone.
It's very easy to rearrange data to get the information you want. Knowing nothing about the specific researcher, this data could mean everything or absolutely nothing. Since we've heard the opposite from other studies, perhaps the likely answer is there's no general rule for human happiness. Regardless of sex, gender, race, age, etc., we're all very much individuals. One person's happiness could be another person's misery.
In my opinion, humans are better together. Whether that's a heterosexual or homosexual relationship, a platonic relationship, whatever it may be, we're happier together than alone.
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I found a study from 2008. I think it might be the one that's referenced in the article. Relevant page is 59.
Men statistically don't change in happiness wrt single or married. So I take it if they were unhappy before marriage, it's the same for after.
I feel like this is mostly just patriarchy though. Like women would be far far happier in life regardless of their child/marriage choices if they were better supported and didn't have to face so much violence, and specifically in this context the enormously widespread violence of domestic abuse. But even beyond domestic violence, there's so many ways women and parents are under supported, isolated, and struggling. Of course people don't want that life.
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I'm just trying to think how you even begin to quantify any of that.
Did they measure some sort of happiness mass? Top-percentile etc? Surely there's a time factor at the very least. How do you deal with lows and highs? Is someone with a higher peak happiness happier than someone with a higher baseline? How do you normalize what happiness is, especially self-reported? I'm not sure how to interpret what this actually means.
Did they measure some sort of happiness mass? Top-percentile etc? Surely there's a time factor at the very least. How do you deal with lows and highs? Is someone with a higher peak happiness happier than someone with a higher baseline? How do you normalize what happiness is, especially self-reported? I'm not sure how to interpret what this actually means.
I think this would be an incredibly difficult metric to quantify regardless of methodology.
I think the western world or at least the US is heading towards were Japan and South Korea are in regards to gender relations. The stuff that goes in those countries feels like the logical conclusion for the US.
Can't say I agree at all with your opinion, sorry so I'm not really surprised by studies like this or how some parts of the world feel about it. Just like you said, there's no general rule for human happiness and that applies also to the idea of whether one is better together or not.
I have zero interest after seeing plenty of experiences and my own in life regarding this togetherness and need of a romantic relationship or children. It's a compromise I'm not really willing to give into ever or shut off some opportunities and experiences for another person. Far more liberating without that.
The problem is people created the bullshit idea that you won't be happy until you're married, which IMO, is incredibly toxic and the root of issues when families pressure their kids to get married. And then people wonder why there are so many divorces when these same people were taught to seek marriages, but have the mental maturity of a child. Which makes them ill-prepared to deal with situations where you need to compromise with your spouse, or having to sacrifice certain things for the betterment of your spouse.
Happiness starts with you first. Don't live your life based on what people project onto you. Do whatever makes you happy. Whether that means getting that boss job at your workplace, reaching higher levels of education, or what have you. If you expect a marriage to bring you happiness, then your (flawed) line of reasoning is really no different from the incels who assume that a gf would eliminate all their problems and bring true happiness.
Happiness starts with you first. Don't live your life based on what people project onto you. Do whatever makes you happy. Whether that means getting that boss job at your workplace, reaching higher levels of education, or what have you. If you expect a marriage to bring you happiness, then your (flawed) line of reasoning is really no different from the incels who assume that a gf would eliminate all their problems and bring true happiness.
This. You don't know how tiring it is to be pressured and pushed in that direction and have your life decided for you until you live in that culture. It's also a bullshit societal norm. Do what you want to make you the best.
Not surprised.
I'm 27 and single guy and a successful job.
30 years of raising kids with tons of responsibilities or 30 years of gaming with zero responsibilities ?
The choice is easy.
I find looking for a girl to date just to get married is too much work and stress. Fuck all. I just hope my siblings have kids so my parents can have grandchildren.
I'm 27 and single guy and a successful job.
30 years of raising kids with tons of responsibilities or 30 years of gaming with zero responsibilities ?
The choice is easy.
I find looking for a girl to date just to get married is too much work and stress. Fuck all. I just hope my siblings have kids so my parents can have grandchildren.
Their partner becoming more responsible if I'm reading it right.
Unmarried women reporting themselves as happy in bigger proportion than married women =/= unmarried women being happier.
Everyone who comments about their lack of children so they have time to play video games are pathetic. Just guessing most responses here.
Let's not get carried away with fact checking. This is the Internet. We just need something to make snarky comments about
Why do you care so much what other people choose to do with their life?
I️ don't. That's why I️ posted it on a message board vs starting a campaign about it
You just literally said that the people who are happy about being childless to spend that extra time playing games are "pathetic"
And yet, you don't care?
Yes. It's a word I️ chose to describe anticipated postYou just literally said that the people who are happy about being childless to spend that extra time playing games are "pathetic"
And yet, you don't care?
In other words, you are a complete clown who can't handle that people can choose to live however they want.
Who are you to tell others that they're pathetic? Keep that same energy if someone calls you pathetic for living life a certain way though.
Yeah it's like there's a lot of "happiness comes from within" and, like, the brain is the happiness generator and whatnot, sure.
But there's a reason that materialist history/philosophy exists, and this is a lot of it right here.
I think we're better in a group. With ample time for yourself also.
I don't see what's pathetic about it. There are already too many people having kids who really shouldn't. It's good self awareness.
Kidding: should this site/gaming quit existing because there is so much complaining? We'd all be happier without it around. This study is humorous at face value.