ok, what's the excuse for those other two Avengers movies then?
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ok, what's the excuse for those other two Avengers movies then?
Age of Ultron riding on previous Avenegers high IW on 10 year build up.
Again the first time any of this was done.
What does Aquaman have going for it? He had pretty much the same amount of screen time in jL as Spider-man did in CW. Why hasn't Spider-Man the most famous superhero in the world grossed a billion yet?
To reach the full box office potential of the DC brand, they need to fix Supes and Batman for sure. Batman v Superman doing $870m worldwide shows how much potential those 2 alone have because an Aquaman or Wonder Woman movie with that type of reception is probably putting up Solo type box office numbers.
That being said, a hypothetical JL2 without them can still be a megahit.
That'd be funny if was true, but I've been saying since GAF with no one laughing at me, so I find the statement suspect.
On the rest of this discussion, never forget, release context is a very important part of box office as well. When you release a film and what releases around it is pretty important. To wit, Black Panther 2 and Jumanji 3 are probably not making as much as they did before. Just an estimation.
Superman needs to be reinvented.
I remember watching Man of Steel and thinking to myself, "You know, this has some interesting ideas at play even if it's doing nothing with them, but why is this dude white?" That dude should've been brown. Hell, especially after BvS, all I'm thinking is this dude screams to me as Muslim dude stand-in. A lot of the ideas in those movies would make more sense with with that brown Superman for example, from him having identity issues down to the media fucking him over and criticizing every little thing he does. (Don't make the character Muslim obviously since that would be weird considering he's a fucking alien, but get a brown dude to act as him so the themes connect.) It would've been even better if they had done that and made him a boy scout like we expect. It could've made a unique and resonant story with some genuine human elements.
But ultimately he was white and those movies did little meaningful exploration of those ideas. And that's why those movies don't quite hit home with those themes being intentional, and all I can think is that potential I see has little to do with Snyder because it must've been a pure accident. His aim was obviously elsewhere with the Jesus parallels.
That well is poisoned now though so they need a new direction.
I remember watching Man of Steel and thinking to myself, "You know, this has some interesting ideas at play even if it's doing nothing with them, but why is this dude white?" That dude should've been brown. Hell, especially after BvS, all I'm thinking is this dude screams to me as Muslim dude stand-in. A lot of the ideas in those movies would make more sense with with that brown Superman for example, from him having identity issues down to the media fucking him over and criticizing every little thing he does. (Don't make the character Muslim obviously since that would be weird considering he's a fucking alien, but get a brown dude to act as him so the themes connect.) It would've been even better if they had done that and made him a boy scout like we expect. It could've made a unique and resonant story with some genuine human elements.
But ultimately he was white and those movies did little meaningful exploration of those ideas. And that's why those movies don't quite hit home with those themes being intentional, and all I can think is that potential I see has little to do with Snyder because it must've been a pure accident. His aim was obviously elsewhere with the Jesus parallels.
That well is poisoned now though so they need a new direction.
I see more Superman shirts than any other superhero. Not sure that makes him the most popular but it's not an assertion that should be laughed at. He's up there.
If the sequels are riding off/building on the success of that first Avengers, then it's because people actually liked that movie beyond it just being the first of its kind. Movies don't gross $1-2 billion solely on the hype of their premise. That kind of box office means very strong word of mouth + repeat viewings. The hype of riding off previous movies gets you a strong opening weekend, it doesn't get you to a 1.3 or 1.5 or 2 billion box office.
The property is kind of diluted? There have been 6 Spider-Man movies, with three separate actors, in 15 years. And half of those movies were bad. The grosses had been trending downward under Sony for years (three bad movies in a row will do that to a franchise) and only recently rebounded under Marvel with Homecoming. Maybe Far From Home will hit a billion, who knows.
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MoS also had one of the worst release dates possible, 2 $200 million dollar movies launching the following week is no joke.
Speaking of Captain Marvel, Jordan Peele's Us coming out 1 week later has serious potential to take a bite out of that movie's legs.
Doesn't WB need to get something Superman related going in the next few years for rights reasons? Wasn't that a big issue with Man of Steel?
I guess that's what they have Supergirl for.
I guess that's what they have Supergirl for.
I think they settled that with the Siegel and Shuster estates a few years ago.
Are there expectations that Far From Home will benefit from Endgame? I always assumed that IM3 benefitted from being post-Avengers, but Avengers very much felt like a beginning whereas Endgame is quite clearly the end (obviously) which I would create a different dynamic.
And is there a general read on Captain Marvel buzz? It feels really mixed right which seems pretty bad considering what it's representing. I thought the trailers were pretrt bad but is still like a good movie.
And is there a general read on Captain Marvel buzz? It feels really mixed right which seems pretty bad considering what it's representing. I thought the trailers were pretrt bad but is still like a good movie.
Aqua man had a visual spectacle of a world
So does black panther
Even guardians has that
Infinity war does use those alien planets and wakanda
Maybe captian marvel should try and display the kree world as cool and intresting in advertising
So does black panther
Even guardians has that
Infinity war does use those alien planets and wakanda
Maybe captian marvel should try and display the kree world as cool and intresting in advertising
I wouldn't do the kid yet. But firmly married is a good start and let the audience see his day-to-day.
This was part of Man of Steel's problem, also coming off Superman Returns and Superman 3/4.
Us is horror and probably rated R. There's not much around CM to mess with it until Shazam launches a month later.
Spider-Man: Far From Home's problem is random stuff in its vague vicinity: MIB and Toy Story 4 before, The Lion King two weeks later. the first two might chip at different Spider-Man demos, depending on how they do, and The Lion King will suck all the air out of the room.
Buzz remains high:
Fans pick 'Avengers,' 'Captain Marvel' as 2019's most anticipated films in Fandango poll (USA Today/Fandango)
'Avengers: Endgame,' 'Captain Marvel' Rated By Atom Tickets As Most Anticipated 2019 Film Releases
And the actual domestic charts for 2018:
There's drift depending on how good the film is and audiences are bad at telling how they'll feel for movies later in the year, but it's at least somewhat indicative of audience interest. Which is to say, Captain Marvel has some heat from the general audience. It's Marvel, a known solid brand, and it's potentially getting heat from Avengers: Endgame (and oddly enough Wonder Woman in my estimation).
I expect Captain Marvel to do relatively well, but I think it will be more in the Ant-Man/Doctor Strange range than being another Guardians of the Galaxy.
I think it's probably going to be the lower grossing of the two Captain Marvel movies, because Shazam seems to have a lot more upside with it being a very tonally unique superhero movie that I think will really resonate with audiences.
I think it's probably going to be the lower grossing of the two Captain Marvel movies, because Shazam seems to have a lot more upside with it being a very tonally unique superhero movie that I think will really resonate with audiences.
I honestly doubted DC before because the last DC movies I really enjoyed were the Nolan trilogy. I even enjoyed TDKR. WW was the best one and that was Thor 1 level for me, which is okayish. Aquaman was Thor 2 IMO, just passable. BvS, JL, MoS, and especially SS all sucked. However, they all have done tremendously at the BO even with good competition as WW had and Aquaman has. Maybe DC does have better nostalgia and fanfare than Marvel afterall.
Since WB has deciphered the Chinese market, I am now expecting 1B WW from Shazam and Joker (350MM - 400MM domestic).
Since WB has deciphered the Chinese market, I am now expecting 1B WW from Shazam and Joker (350MM - 400MM domestic).
This seems fair to me, though I have no idea what to make of Shazam. I know trailers aren't indicative of quality necessarily but the two trailers they've put out have me the most hesitant about a Marvel film's critical reception in forever.
Yeah every time a trailer pops up for Shazam in theaters the audience seems pretty into it. I have optimistic expectations.
How many superhero movies have actually flopped in the last few years? Justice League and Fant4stic?
We've reached a point where if your superhero movie isn't a complete train wreck it's probably gonna do pretty well
Superheroes run Hollywood now, accept our new overlords
We've reached a point where if your superhero movie isn't a complete train wreck it's probably gonna do pretty well
Superheroes run Hollywood now, accept our new overlords
YES PLEASE
Get Damian ASAP too so we can have some Super Sons movies hnng
Though incredibly unlikely whatsoever, the day an MCU movie bombs hard would be a day long remembered in these parts.
I actually kinda hope that happens just for that internet massacre.
When Marvel Studios finally gets that bomb / miss the entire Interwebs will be on fire
Look how desperately people were trying to make Ant-Man and the Wasp out to be one. There were articles all over the place about it. Or Homecoming, it didn't shake the idea it was a disappointment for a long time.
When Marvel Studios actually releases a movie that isn't profitable it will be a day that lives in infamy
I can point you to some youtube videos of people saying with 100% certainty Captain Marvel will bomb.
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I don't think that you can draw any conclusions from China.
And on that note, people are getting a little carried away. Outside of China, Aquaman is doing solid numbers, but not really anything outside of the norm for recent superhero films. I am not sure how we have gotten to the conclusion that DC has a higher ceiling than Marvel based on a film that is going to do similar or lower business than 6 of the past 8 MCU films, outside of one territory that has seen superhero films blow up this year for whatever reason.
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It'll happen eventually. No one hits 70+ percent all the time.
Solo was the preview of that moment. Imagine that, with the articles renamed.
I almost forgot that we're getting a Black Widow movie. Probably the least exciting comic book film in years for me.
It'll never happen cause Feige pays off the reviewers. My source was that YouTuber that y'all love talkin about.
Funny thing is the next time we see Superman in a movie, chances are he'll be a supporting role in Supergirl. A new Superman solo movie ain't happening soon.
He's certainly the one that could accomplish such a feat.
Him or Sentry.
The Black Widow movie should have come a somewhere in Phase 2 if they were gonna do it at all. The main reason people really wanted it was the lack of female superheroes and everyone was high off the hype of the first Avengers.
Now though? By the time it comes out, we'll have Captain Marvel, two Wonder Woman movies, and Birds of Prey so the female superhero angle is kind of gone as far as uniqueness. On top of that, they haven't done anything particularly interesting with Black Widow's character over the years that the prospect of a movie about her is all that enticing.
It could still be good, but yeah. Right now, it's just not something I'm interested in.
Winter Soldier was originally the Black Widow movie, but you know, Ike Perlmutter.
Wasn't The Incredible Hulk the MCU's first bomb or underperformance?
Wasn't The Incredible Hulk the MCU's first bomb or underperformance?
There is really a movie called "Mary Poppins Returns"? Next will be a gritty prequel reboot called Mary Poppins Origins.
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