If anything it's actually an asset. Watching Batman drone on for the 50th time about his parents getting killed gets dull after a while. Watching a racoon or Deadpool for the first or second time can be a lot more fun if done correctly.
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Wkd Box Office - 12•21-23•18 - X-mas 5-day updates: Aquaman $105M, Mary Poppins $41M, Bumblebee $34M, Spider-verse $25M
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If anything it's actually an asset. Watching Batman drone on for the 50th time about his parents getting killed gets dull after a while. Watching a racoon or Deadpool for the first or second time can be a lot more fun if done correctly.
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The whole movie was torturous to sit through, the audacity to tease a sequel is baffling. They had to have known the movie was not funny and just didn't deliver.
I feel the need to say this (the obvious) because the post above me was missing a /s and I don't want people thinking it was good.
I never in my life had to elbow my father because he was snoring in a theater. That's how bad that film was.
that movie sucked....a lot...put 3 people to sleep.
The whole movie was torturous to sit through, the audacity to tease a sequel is baffling. They had to have known the movie was not funny and just didn't deliver.
I feel the need to say this (the obvious) because the post above me was missing a /s and I don't want people thinking it was good.
I never in my life had to elbow my father because he was snoring in a theater. That's how bad that film was.
Like I said, wasn't sure if he was being serious or not but my post still stands as a warning. I fully expect that movie to have made maybe $5000 this weekend. Maybe.
The movie started with a 0% RT after several reviews and Sony has been hiding it for months. Everyone knows this movie is hot garbage.
I guessed it was going to do badly based on a cursory examination of the Facebook comments on the trailer ads. So many people convinced this was a remake, not a sequel, and the boomer equivalent of the Ghostbusters "ruining my childhood"-type posts.
Still, I kind of assumed Lin Manuel Miranda would have helped pushed it a bit higher than this.
He's all over the pre-show for Mary Poppins that plays before the trailers in theaters
So...he's all over the pre-show for the movie once you have already paid to see it?
I'm talking about in the TV and internet ads. I don't remember really seeing him as a focus at all.
No like the Noovie stuff that plays in theaters before every single film.
Box Office Mojo has posted their predictions for the weekend
- Aquaman - $50.0 M
- Mary Poppins Returns - $28.5 M
- Bumblebee - $20.0 M
- Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse - $19.1 M
- The Mule - $9.0 M
- Holmes and Watson - $8.0 M
- Second Act - $7.5 M
- Vice - $7.0 M
- Dr. Seuss' The Grinch - $6.0 M
- Ralph Breaks the Internet - $5.3 M
I didn't see any such thing at my showing of Spiderverse or Aquaman.
Aquaman is too low, I think everything else is too high.
I know what you mean, but we kind of have the same situation on the Marvel side, although the rights issues make it a bit confusing. Spider-Man, Hulk, and X-Men would likely have been the biggest Marvel IP prior to MCU, yet Thor, Captain America, Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy dwarf them at the box office.
ITSV is a great movie, but it's not just marketing and anti animation bias at work. It's distinctly pitched at more of a family market with a family message, and that's going to push out some of the older audience, no matter how it's marketed and whether it's animated or not.
Said it last week, but the film's target isn't kids, but older nerds. Story wise, it is easily the most mature and dark Spiderman movie. The story was has a lot happening in it, lots of references, lots of pieces its juggling. It maybe too much for some kids. Yet, the 3D animation style is giving it that Saturday morning cartoon feeling and the biggest audience is kids. Nor does it have any connections to the current LA spiderman run, yet definitely has to come in with the understanding of who Spiderman is(Specifically the Raimi series with flicks). I don't really think there was a good way to advertise the flick. Kids material misses the mark of the flick, while throwing it towards adults loses their most important base
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New Years weekend usually does just as good or better than xmas doesn't it?
The gap in actors in BP and the rest of the MCU films is really noticeable. It's telling how a celebratory film was able to gather all of the best black talent in hollywood.
To your point though, Marvel had to work with the stuff they still had the rights to vs. WB who controls all of their DC properties. They aren't fragmented. Marvel had a unified vision and creative helming the entire universe, whereas DC handed the vision holding to a single director who has a track record for presenting a specific approach to tone and content creation.
Batman and Superman aren't damaged brands...unless you put someone in charge that clearly doesn't understand what makes them great.
Jenkins and Wan get it; Snyder does not.
Saw Marry Poppins yesterday. As a major fan of the original, this one missed a lot of its soul. It had the characterization of Marry Poppins wrong most the time and Emily Blunt is no Julie Andrews, she didn't have charge of the screen like Andrews does.
Also not a single new catchy song in the whole film. It's sad when just a few brief cords of "feed the birds" or "let's go fly a kite" are the best parts of the film.
Also not a single new catchy song in the whole film. It's sad when just a few brief cords of "feed the birds" or "let's go fly a kite" are the best parts of the film.
It's the only that was up after Xmas and flat the on the Thursday. Everything other movie is down.
SV is also up over the last 4 days week over week with its lead per day increasing each day (for the most part)
1st Monday 2.7
2nd Monday 3.3m +21%
1st Tuesday 4.3m
2nd Tuesday 5.6m +30.9%
1st Wednesday 2.7m
2nd Wednesday 5.9m +112%
1st Thursday 2.9m
2nd Thursday 5.8m +103%
Since it's the holidays the balance between weekdays and weekends will be less lopsided, but not so much that Spider-verse shouldn't be up weekend over weekend.
Last year the only movies that were down over the New Years weekend (week over week on the 3 day) were relative short tailed movies with mixed reception, disapointments, or DOAs that were flopping
WOW change (3 day v 3 day)
The Last Jedi -26.3%
Pitch Perfect 3 -15.6%
Downsizing -5.1%
Outside of those three exceptions, every other movie in the top ten bumped an average of
+ 44.6%
With the Last Jedi having an anomalously gap of 70.9% from that average gain for films that did not drop.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2017&wknd=52&p=.htm
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2017&wknd=52&p=.htm
There is a LOT of demographic overlap this season compared to last, but historically the New Years weekend (not even counting it as the 4 day) is up WoW. You can take a look at past years on BOM to confirm. It would be pretty surprising if SV was down. It's not in a TLJ or Downsizing situation.
The Incredibles disagrees with this take. This movie was not presented as a family film, those do well. ItSV lacks the universal appeal of mainstream animation films that crack 100million. Even a Peter Parker animated film would be an uphill battle, Miles not being well known makes it even harder. There's a reason why DC's great animation goes straight to video .
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Incredibles (and a lot of Pixar movies) have messages aimed at the adults in the audience. SV's message is aimed at young teens. That's not a universal draw.
The core message of Spiderverse is aimed at everybody, literally, everybody
I'm not gonna spoil it but if you've seen the movie you should know what I'm talking about
I've seen if of course.
Perhaps I'm just not expressing myself well, but the idea that it being animated is what's held it back at the BO doesn't paint the whole picture. This isnt like a Pixar movie and it's not just a superhero movie but animated. Its potential audience is narrower than either of those. A little too grown up to make money like a kids' movie, a little too kiddie to net as wide an audience as a blockbuster. Pixar manages to find a crossover spot about half the time (usually by making the movie for adults, but enjoyable to kids) but it's not an easy mark to hit and SV didn't hit it. I loved it, but I am the target demographic for it. Folks at the office wouldn't dig it as much as I did even if it weren't animated.
Perhaps I'm just not expressing myself well, but the idea that it being animated is what's held it back at the BO doesn't paint the whole picture. This isnt like a Pixar movie and it's not just a superhero movie but animated. Its potential audience is narrower than either of those. A little too grown up to make money like a kids' movie, a little too kiddie to net as wide an audience as a blockbuster. Pixar manages to find a crossover spot about half the time (usually by making the movie for adults, but enjoyable to kids) but it's not an easy mark to hit and SV didn't hit it. I loved it, but I am the target demographic for it. Folks at the office wouldn't dig it as much as I did even if it weren't animated.
Aquaman has about the same total gross PTAand theater counter as Jumanji did going on to the New Years weekend and it did 50m
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=dcfilm0617.htm
Wasn't Homecoming offering the teenage perspective? If they made a perfect duplicate of that movie but animated it would have bombed. Being an animated superhero film is a hard sell. Its going to turn off a large number of people regardless of it's target audience.
Edit:. Just saw your other post, I agree. Sad part is most people would never give it the chance since it is animated.
I didn't see the movie because it looked like it.. Runs badly. I rarely bother to see movies with that animation style.
This is fair and the core problem with SV (also what helps it be so good). It's not really a universal appeal movie on its face.
This is a very good point and I may have underplayed that in recent posts. No matter what the film was always going to be a bit of a hard sell. That why I was so hard on the marketing for not focusing on the heart of the relationships and stakes because that's at least more universal.
I will admit that the 'framey' Look of it was a dampener in the run up for me. It's NOT an issue in the film itself though. See it.
I'm sure animation bias is a part of the equation. But it's like... half? I think Homecoming was hurt by the teen angle. And I think *all* Spider-Man movies are hurt by the brand confusion of having 3 (now 4) continuities within recent memory.
Back to the animation... I feel like it has an effect of the studio as much as it does on the audience. Nobody's dared make an animated major release thats pitched age wise at the same audience as live action. Some of the home releases are, but they are low budget. I'd like to see a movie with SV level of animation that's as adult in tone as an MCU movie. (This is not a statement about the relative quality, SV rates above most MCU movies for me.)
Back to the animation... I feel like it has an effect of the studio as much as it does on the audience. Nobody's dared make an animated major release thats pitched age wise at the same audience as live action. Some of the home releases are, but they are low budget. I'd like to see a movie with SV level of animation that's as adult in tone as an MCU movie. (This is not a statement about the relative quality, SV rates above most MCU movies for me.)
There are no movies with this animation style before now. It's unique.
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Which irks me to no end considering how much live action films nowadays rely on CGI aka "animation" for their action set pieces.
Black Panther and Infinity War looked like cartoons at some points, and I enjoyed them all the more for that.
Which irks me to no end considering how much live action films nowadays rely on CGI aka "animation" for their action set pieces.
Black Panther and Infinity War looked like cartoons at some points, and I enjoyed them all the more for that.
Further proves Roger Ebert's quote:
"It's not what your movie is about, it's how it is about it."
True for anything really
'There are no bad ideas, just bad execution.'
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Deadline updated their projections: https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquama...ebee-new-years-weekend-box-office-1202526812/
51.6M for Aquaman, 31.9M for Poppins, 20.5M for Bumblebee, and 19M for Spider-verse are their weekend estimates now
51.6M for Aquaman, 31.9M for Poppins, 20.5M for Bumblebee, and 19M for Spider-verse are their weekend estimates now
I think there are interesting places you could Confederate's premise, I just have negative faith in the showrunners of Game of Thrones to get anywhere close to those places.
There's is no interesting place you could go when the premise is, Black people are still slaves and White folks still own them cause...what if? Tee hee!
Not sure if serious. A premise and an execution of said premise are two different things. You could have a thousand come up with a premise and they'd all have a different idea of how to parlay that to screen.
Here's a really simple one: You could show things not being very different at all to show how little we have actually progressed over the past 150 years.
I have seen enough images of my people in bondage in TV and film. Don't need any what if scenarios to "make a point". No thanks.
So for me, there is no execution I want to see based on that premise.
At the risk of derail, I now digress.
Homecoming was hurt? It's one of the highest performing movies for either the MCU and Spider-Man in general. And I expect FFH will get a good post-IW/Endgame boost.
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