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SchrodingerC

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not sure if there is a Western stigma against animated films. Animated films are sure box office success more often than not, because parents are always searching for things to do with their children. I do think maybe animated superhero films are a harder sell. People would probably rather watch them in live-action.

I guess at least it's doing better than Batman:MoF (Still a fantastic Batman movie), which suffered the same issue.
 

mreddie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wow, was not expecting Poppins to flop. I thought the Beauty and the Beast/Into the Woods crowd would save it.

And holy shit, DC made Aquaman work. Impressive, granted they needed to lose the Synder stink.

Aquaman and Antman are half a billion dollar IPs now.

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Einbroch

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh god. Marwen is trash? I thought it looked like a sweet movie with an interesting story-telling machanic. Seeing it tonight. Oh no.
 

ContractHolder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry gang. I was planning on seeing Bumblebee today, but I unfortuntely I wasn't able to. And it doesn't help that Bumblebee doesn't have later show times unlike Aquaman and MPR over here.

I'm unfortunely part of the problem. But I'll try to see if on Wednesday if possible.

I did see Aquaman though. I enjoyed that.
 

THE GUY

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Oct 27, 2017
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So is Aquaman a success or what?
Huge success. It has a shot at $900 million worldwide depending on how certain markets perform moving forward. It should fall within a similar range to Venom regardless. Clearly, we all know what the real big team up for the future is. It's all about that Venom, Aquaman, and Black Panther symphony of sex. Don't know what you'd call them though.
 

broncobuster

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Oct 26, 2017
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Huge success. It has a shot at $900 million worldwide depending on how certain markets perform moving forward. It should fall within a similar range to Venom regardless. Clearly, we all know what the real big team up for the future is. It's all about that Venom, Aquaman, and Black Panther symphony of sex. Don't know what you'd call them though.

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Disney is regretting a lot of stuff this year outside their Marvel and animated lineup.

Mary Poppins will end up doing well enough to at least not lose money. It's no going to be a collossal hit, but they already set a record for highest domestic studio gross in a calendar year, beating their own 2016 record. Even with all of the flops, Disney averaged over 300M domestic a film.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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So we just gonna ignore the six episodic films doing gangbusters in May?

I think at some point we should just accept the fact that Solo was going to be a dud no matter where it released

I thought Solo was awful, but it was very obviously killed by releasing only a few months after the previous Star Wars movie, and within a month of many other big movies were coming out.

It doing better in December would have been a given, as people would be hungry for another Star Wars after being conditioned to have Star Wars be part of the holiday tradition, as well as less competition (Aquaman would not have performed as good if people had a Star Wars option available).
 
Dec 12, 2017
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I thought Solo was awful, but it was very obviously killed by releasing only a few months after the previous Star Wars movie, and within a month of many other big movies were coming out.

It doing better in December would have been a given, as people would be hungry for another Star Wars after being conditioned to have Star Wars be part of the holiday tradition, as well as less competition (Aquaman would not have performed as good if people had a Star Wars option available).

'Conditioned' is bullshit. 6 SW movies before Solo released in May and did just fine. FOH with SW suddenly needing specific release conditions to succeed.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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'Conditioned' is bullshit. 6 SW movies before Solo released in May and did just fine. FOH with SW suddenly needing specific release conditions to succeed.

Those 6 movies from before we literally generations ago. They don't factor.

Movie series nowadays have multiple installments in a year (as a universe) and at times once a year (as named series), back then those movies released 3 years apart.
 

Anth0ny

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Oct 25, 2017
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So we just gonna ignore the six episodic films doing gangbusters in May?

I think at some point we should just accept the fact that Solo was going to be a dud no matter where it released

are releases from the early 2000s more relevant than the last 3 decembers?

i could be wrong but perhaps the movie landscape has changed a bit since 2005

I'm not sure how 6 movies released in the past disproves my theory that solo would have performed better in december 2018 versus may 2018
 
Dec 12, 2017
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So what I am being told is, the Star Wars brand is no longer strong enough to compete for BO money outside of December.

Hilarious.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sad to see Mortal Engines doing poorly. I actually saw it twice and thought that movie was a ton of fun; felt like Star Wars meets Fury Road with a dash of Bioshock. I see its faults, but the movie was just pure fun, great CG, awesome soundtrack and has a crazy fast pace.
 

Certinfy

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm sad to see Mortal Engines doing poorly. I actually saw it twice and thought that movie was a ton of fun; felt like Star Wars meets Fury Road with a dash of Bioshock. I see its faults, but the movie was just pure fun, great CG, awesome soundtrack and has a crazy fast pace.
Agreed. It has major flaws but overall it's a pretty entertaining ride. I blame Universal for this anyway, had they delayed the film for a much nicer period it would have at least done a lot better.
 

Jiggy

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,280
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So what I am being told is, the Star Wars brand is no longer strong enough to compete for BO money outside of December.

Hilarious.

After 30 years of Star Wars movies releasing in May, Star Wars fans are conditioned to watching it in the Summer

A Star Wars movie suddenly releasing in December sounds ludicrous, Star Wars fans will never accept a new release date. I think Force Awakens is being sent to die
 
Dec 12, 2017
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You are

Release Solo any week of the year, it still flops

Personal anecdote but if Episode 9 released any time, I am there.

You release Solo in May or December, I'm not going.

After 30 years of Star Wars movies releasing in May, Star Wars fans are conditioned to watching it in the Summer

A Star Wars movie suddenly releasing in December sounds ludicrous, Star Wars fans will never accept a new release date. I think Force Awakens is being sent to die
Exactly.
 

Quinton

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So what I am being told is, the Star Wars brand is no longer strong enough to compete for BO money outside of December.

Hilarious.

As a lifelong lover of space opera/space adventure first and foremost, it's kind of a bummer watching the only franchise therein that has ever been an unstoppable juggernaut no longer dominating in a nerd world filled to bursting with a different genre, which I like far, far less.

Solo was screwed either way, though. Star Wars will still make billions and billions over time; it's just not what it used to be, at least for the time being. Solo itself had way more problems than any other the others released thus far.

I'm not a wildly optimistic enough fan to expect Episode IX to come anywhere close to TFA, but I still think it'll land around $1.3-1.4 billion.
 

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Damn, I just came back from Bumblebee. The movie was fantastic. It deserved more. Come on China, Show Bumblebee some love. I know he rivals Optimus Prime in popularity in China.
 
Dec 12, 2017
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Some ideas are inherently unappealing, even if they seem bankable on the surface. Solo is but one of many in that mold.

Correct.

Everything needs ideal conditions to succeed the best.

Why would Star Wars of all things be exempt from something literally everything else depends on?
You think Marvel is afraid to release a film any time of the year? Somehow because Solo failed, it is the fault of the release window?

I guarantee you Episode 9 could have released in the Solo window and it would have soared...why? Because audiences ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THAT FILM.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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Correct.


You think Marvel is afraid to release a film any time of the year? Somehow because Solo failed, it is the fault of the release window?

I guarantee you Episode 9 could have released in the Solo window and it would have soared...why? Because audiences ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THAT FILM.

Stop thinking binary.

Of course Episode 9 will get bigger numbers than Solo no matter where it releases. But Episode 9 will still get different numbers depending on when in the year it releases. This matters even more with Solo.
 
Nov 13, 2017
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Correct.


You think Marvel is afraid to release a film any time of the year? Somehow because Solo failed, it is the fault of the release window?

I guarantee you Episode 9 could have released in the Solo window and it would have soared...why? Because audiences ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE THAT FILM.

It would have done great, no doubt, but would it have reached the same $ total? Debatable.

There's a reason Avatar and Star Wars all release during that specific time of year.
 

Johnny956

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everything needs ideal conditions to succeed the best.

Why would Star Wars of all things be exempt from something literally everything else depends on?


People were worried about superhero fatigue and that still hasn't materialized. Disney has their work cut out for them when it comes to Star Wars. Maybe the long break until December 2019 will help and if does expect Disney to be very specific on new Star Wars films or they risk diluting the brand
 
Dec 12, 2017
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Stop thinking binary.

Of course Episode 9 will get bigger numbers than Solo no matter where it releases. But Episode 9 will still get different numbers depending on when in the year it releases. This matters even more with Solo.

Why is it so hard for you to get that audiences thoroughly rejected Solo the world over?

Having a concept people want matters. Case in point, BvS and JL should have been bankable, whenever they released but the CONCEPT was flawed and didn't resonate with audiences and they underperformed.

It's not that complex.
 

Eddie

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Damn, I just came back from Bumblebee. The movie was fantastic. It deserved more. Come on China, Show Bumblebee some love. I know he rivals Optimus Prime in popularity in China.
people worried about China so damn much. If it makes 100m in china it gets 25 of that. Profit margin not the same as other territories
 
Dec 12, 2017
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People were worried about superhero fatigue and that still hasn't materialized. Disney has their work cut out for them when it comes to Star Wars. Maybe the long break until December 2019 will help and if does expect Disney to be very specific on new Star Wars films or they risk diluting the brand

People will blame Frozen 2 for existing too close to Episode 9. THEY SHOULD HAVE MOVED IT BACK TO MAY!
 

Elandyll

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm confused with people heralding Aquaman a success (outside China that is).
Seems like very meh numbers to me, specially given the period and the amount of marketing...

Where are all the 80-100m+ hype- bringers of a week or two ago?
Obviously, we'll have to see the king of legs (or merman tail?) that it will have, but with that much competition in theaters during the Holidays and coming up right after... Eh.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm confused with people heralding Aquaman a success (outside China that is).
Seems like very meh numbers to me, specially given the period and the amount of marketing...

Where are all the 80-100m+ hype- bringers of a week or two ago?
Obviously, we'll have to see the king of legs (or merman tail?) that it will have, but with that much competition in theaters during the Holidays and coming up right after... Eh.

The movie is going to do at least 700 million. What's not successful about that?
 

Pendas

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Oct 28, 2017
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Expected Mary Poppins... I don't know how "Magic British Nanny takes kids on cartoon adventure" is a box office sell in 2018.
 
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