Watch the movie. It fails first and foremost at being a decent movie before even stepping into the discussion about the Star Wars story it tells. It has awful editing, almost no transitions and no character defining moments. It's awfully directed.
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Wkd Box Office - 12•20-22•19 - The Final Opening In The Story Of Skywalker ($177m OW)
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Watch the movie. It fails first and foremost at being a decent movie before even stepping into the discussion about the Star Wars story it tells. It has awful editing, almost no transitions and no character defining moments. It's awfully directed.
When did that happen, because the grand finale horde mode scene in Endgame was incredibly weak.
Right after 09, Abrams gave us Into Darkness, a film that has many of the exact same problems TROS has.
But you're right, he's not the sole perpetrator here. Iger and Kennedy also deserve a lot of the blame.
I honestly expect that in a few years the prevailing opinion will be that they are worse than the prequels.
I think you seriously underestimate how insanely difficult it is to pump out 20+ movies in a decade, have them maintain interconnected continuity, be consistently good, and grow in box office year over year, with one of the most beloved saga finales of its era.
It wouldn't be possible if Ike was still around, it's no coincidence Phase 3 is far better than 1 or 2.
When viewed individually, its ridiculous. But when you view the trilogies as a whole, well...
Blaming TLJ is dumb as fuck. I also dislike the movie now despite initially really loving it, but no one held a gun to JJ's head and told him to make stupid ass decisions for TROS. It doesn't matter what TLJ did. If he was a competent writer, he could've written a good story with plenty of interesting things to happen. That's not on Johnson.
People have those opinion right now and they will continue to be not taken seriously.
Agree.
People in general here and similar outlets always lash out in embarrassing ways, especially for just a fucking movie.
I don't know too much about ST outside of the recent trilogy, but I remember really digging Into Darkness. Hell I'd place it above TFA.
And hey, as the director, surely he has some heat to catch, but it does seem this was a paycheck for him and nothing more.
That's very true and why the scene manages to still land so well
TFA is much better at being a movie than TROS is. Plus a lot of people including myself thought it was a good idea to reset the Star Wars after the PT by using ANH as an inspiration. Little did we know that it wasn't some genius move but just typical J.J. copying movies left and right.
So it turned out theTLJ supporters are just as toxic as the TLJ haters. What a surprise. I blamed Kennedy more than anyone for this trilogy, it was sort of entertaining but the lack of a clear vision for it ruined the whole story.
A good action scene is maybe 30% the actual scene and 70% the build-up and being actually emotionally invested in the characters fighting.
Its why I've it before 1000 times, the fight scenes in the prequels might be stunning from a technical standpoint, but they do nothing for me. I feel more investment and dread watching Obi-wan fighter Vader in A New Hope (yes, even with the wonky choreography and adorable little old guy spin Guinness does) than I do watching ANY fight scene in the prequels.
Werent you just recently praising Aquaman's army clash at the end of that movie?
When did that happen, because the grand finale horde mode scene in Endgame was incredibly weak.
I'm genuinely curious to know what the "truth" is. Because your post doesn't actually say anything about TLJ. Is the "truth" that it underperformed at the box office? Because it didn't. Is the "truth" that it underperformed in reviews? Because it didn't. And even if it did either of those things (it didn't) you're attaching other movies successes and failures to it. Which isn't how anything works.
You realize that not every situation is Trump comparing protestors to nazis, right?
You can't just dismiss every single comparison from now on as "both sides shit"
Blaming TLJ seems bizarre when it performed so well. JJ is definitely capable of making a bad movie. Into Darkness was pretty bad compared to Star Trek 09, like how ROS is pretty bad compared to TFA. I don't think ROS really is a bad movie though.
Star Wars' result in China is just scary, the rest is funny. A blockbuster without China!? That's a joke
It's not a law of the universe that when two loud groups are screaming at each other on the internet that one has to be right.
I mean, only one side harassed an actress off of social media, and continue to send harassment towards RJ to this day.
Imagine talking about "stans" for a critically acclaimed movie that did 1.3 billion at the box office
Yup. Dude specifically mentioned the toxic side of the fandom. That is why I responded.
I did. The visuals, scale, and choreography of that last encounter is better than anything on the MCU.
Endgame is certainty better than Aquaman as a whole, it's not even close, but the action and visuals are leagues ahead in the latter
My initial reaction after leaving TFA was one of indifference. The trailers made it look so much more darker and interesting than the final product ended up being. It's still fine, and very rewatchable thanks to its lean pacing, but even at the time, it didn't hit me at all.
Some of MCU's more focused final acts are still better though, look at Civil War and Doctor Strange, both nail the endings.
Thank you. Not to mention it had a short production timeframe for a movie this big. JJ has made some good movies, and will continue to make more. TFA is excellent and brought Star Wars back from the dead, and I will forever appreciate him for that.
But the nostalgia from all the kids dressing up as ST characters in 2015 will start to kick in in a few years
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The harassment from the other side is much more spread out since it's directed at fans and not specific actors. It's also done to people who, if they suffer from it, are not going to be reported on
I'm agreeing with your comment and agreeing with the other comment Bomba made, which is true. Joker was successful, without China. Mixed or not.
I will strongly disagree with the prevailing opinion, but Episode III in particular has risen in status a lot in recent years and the nostalgia for the prequels has kicked in.
I'm just starting to believe that Star Wars isn't the brand that some people thought it was as time goes on.
All I remember from that army fight is a whole lot of blue and orange whereas Endgame had a lot memorable character beats throughout.
And the way Ocean Master and Aquaman moved during their fight made it look like two totally CG animated videogame characters, even by the stabdard of these big effects heavy movies . Too clean and smooth. The action in Endgame was much more impactful.
Those people would have to have literal brain worms. While I might enjoy two of the prequels more than TRoS, all three are still mediocre-to-bad films with clunky dialogue, awful scripts, bad acting, CGI that looks faker than a paper-mache CT scanner, some of the worst racial caricatures in modern film history, etc.
It's already a worse trilogy, regardless of the quality of the individual movies. It's an absolute wet fart of a story and it adds literally nothing at all to the IP as a whole as far as lore/worldbuilding etc. The prequels were a springboard to some of the best content Star Wars ever had to offer thanks to the Clone Wars. There's not a single interesting thing in this trilogy really worth exploring. Rather than grow the universe, it did nothing but shrink it.
I want anyone who says the prequels are better to watch any scene between the main trio in TROS then watch this.
To watch any saber battle in the ST and then come back to this.
To watch any saber battle in the ST and then come back to this.
Star Wars will be to China what Dragon Quest is to the West .... it ain't happening.
Glad you can see into the future an know everything that can be done with it in from now on.
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