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I wouldn't expect amazing legs, but an $18M start is probably good for $40-50M domestic. Which for a $9M film would be sequel territory.
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I wouldn't expect amazing legs, but an $18M start is probably good for $40-50M domestic. Which for a $9M film would be sequel territory.
When/If Plastic Man gets made that'll be interesting to see.
To be fair, I honestly wasn't hyped for Homecoming after being fatigued of the franchise so I'm sure that definitely played a part for some.
I specifically said solo movies.
Wonder Woman: $821.8
Aquaman: $1b+
Now compare it to MCUs solo movies. (Which is what my original post was getting at)
It had crazy legs in the US. WOM didn't hurt this movie at all.
Impossible to say, given that no MCU solo movie has released in the same conditions (mix of period and direct competition) afaik.I specifically said solo movies.
Wonder Woman: $821.8
Aquaman: $1b+
Now compare it to MCUs solo movies. (Which is what my original post was getting at)
Aquaman makes a good case for Marvel also releasing in the Xmas period though I guess, bumping from 2 movies a year (Spring/ Summer) to 3 (+ Winter).
I don't know who the hell they are, so I'm interested.
I knew who that was when I was a kid, so that doesn't count to me :P
The only superhero movies that pull a billion without China also pull $500-$600m in North America. You're really overestimating the worldwide popularity of funnybook movies to think SS had a chance at a billion without China.
Why do I get the feeling this thread is revising history to say stuff like Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman weren't tremendously successful films?
I specifically said solo movies.
Wonder Woman: $821.8
Aquaman: $1b+
Now compare it to MCUs solo movies. (Which is what my original post was getting at)
Well, comic book movies are hot right now due in large part to the exposure they've gotten from all those Marvel movies.
Count me in to those people getting bored. Or simply, the Homecoming MCU take on him is dull as potatoes that does little to capture the character or celebrate him. I have a metric ton more interest in the venomverse/spiderverse than FFH.
Who knows plastic man? Nawwww, an NBA player doesn't get the nickname Plastic Man back in the 90s if only dozens of people know the character.
EDIT: Matter of fact, I would say more people would recognize Plastic Man than Reed Richards even though the latter has been in a few movies, for example.
Very true. Aquaman had quite the competition and it still pulled through tremendously. It'll drop when Glass comes out for sure. But it's looking like it'll have 4 #1 weekends in the states.
Now, having both a DC & Marvel movie release around Christmas would be interesting to see/track.
as much as id like this, i think it's more important to have Jamie instead of Kord right now
Fair fair. Almost every SH movie in 2018 would have cracked 1b if they'd had Aquaman/Venom like performance in China.
I commented on page 1, but we are hyper nerds at heart :P I don't think that it will have a ton of staying power given the reviews and its OW FRI—SUN spread, but itshould Rowell enough for a sequel. Did Sony have a single money loser this/last year with the exception of Spiders Web? Even the press is still underselling the turnaround that they've had under him.
Shazam is pretty niche in terms of GA, but I'd agree about 'getting carried away'. Almost every SH movie in 2018 would have cracked 1b if they'd had Aquaman/Venom like performance in China.
I guarantee if you ask almost anybody today, they'd probably think he was some old Batman villain associated with condiment man.
Uh, what player was called Plastic Man in the 90s? lol
I'm very curious to see if the CBM audience in China is growing. If Venom/Aquaman is the new norm, then CBM will reach 1B fairly frequently. If they are the exception to the rule, then it's just BAU . I'm curious to see how Shazam, Captain Marvel, FFH, and Joker (if it gets released there) do. I'm less curious about Endgame, but still want to see if it'll do better than IW. If the market has expanded, then Endgame should clear 450MM and become the highest grossing western movie there.
Matter of fact, I think Once Upon a Deadpool is some kind of a test to release future Deadpools as PG-13 in China while keeping its R rate in the ROTW.
Agree to disagree.
I'll give you a hint, he played for the Hawks and then the Blazers. If you don't know, then you're not a real NBA fan.
If it's the player I just Google searched, that certainly doesn't help your argument. Lol
That's just not true anymore with the continued growth of INT and China.
They were, but Suicide Squad had the market to itself for ever so there's kind of a caviate there. It's OWX wasn't strong either, a 2.4 is standard/lower for most DOM super hero movies. Maybe barely average when you include the DCEU stuff.
Suicide Squad absolutely could have hit a billion without China if it was a great movie as oppose to a terrible one.
I can't figure out how to copy an image URL from my phone so here's a link to the post I made a while back that included the OWX of every MCU film to that point.
Point stands, Suicide Squad didn't have great legs. It legged average if that for a CBM and was released with Zero competition. This isn't me trying to make Suicide Squad into a commercial failure, it's just the facts. Suicide Squad was a critical and creative failure to the point that James Gunn is keeping it in name only for the sequel though.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wk...ow-641m-new-records.39242/page-8#post-7345004
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I specifically said solo movies.
Wonder Woman: $821.8
Aquaman: $1b+
Now compare it to MCUs solo movies. (Which is what my original post was getting at)
Honestly, outside of the Avengers stuff, I don't think that the distinction between solo and group films means anything. It just seems like an excuse to discount GotG and stuff with guest stars to form patterns that I am not sure are all that relevant. Logan made about as much as the rest of the X-FIlms, and both Deadpools were bigger. Nearly everything out of the MCU/DCEU since Avengers 1 has been bigger than the Fox team films. There isn't all that much backing up the idea that multiple heroes is a draw over 1.
The Avengers is set up differently, so that is the exception. If we use a comic book analogue, they are the line wide events that shake up the status quo (even if superficially), vs something like Wolverine appearing in Amazing Spider-man for the month.
He was back in the days. Again, it's been what? 20 years since he retired? They could have given him the nickname Mister Fantastic, but voila. Actually, I think more people would know Plastic Man as opposed to Mr Fantastic (instead of Reed Richards I said earlier).
Anyways, no point in arguing, you think Plastic Man is obscure and only known by dozens; and I vehemently disagree. No point in going back and forth on this.
It's factually true though, I'm not stating an opinion. Take China out of the pot and every $1B superhero film pulled at least $530m from North America. Avengers can do $1B without China but that's a really lofty standard to hold every superhero film too, especially god damn Suicide Squad.
Did they leave money on the table with SS? Yeah, probably. Did they leave $250m on the table through WOM? Nah, I'm not buying that for a second. $1B is really hard to do, much harder than some of you make it seem.
far from crazy legs , it opened to 179m first week, it dropped 79% it's 2nd week in the us, just slightly below BVS super awful 81%
the legs were below average
seriosuly it and bvs could have made boat loads of money if they were great
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I am not trying to refute your larger point, but you forgot Age of Ultron. 459M domestic. Almost 1.2B outside of China.
Isn't it more likely that "Plastic Man" was a made up nickname that was coincidentally also the name of a DC hero? This reminds me of the bit on Seinfeld where Jerry thinks there must be a Rubber Man, because it sounds like the kind of character that would exist.
Also, count me among the group tired of this pointless distinction between solo vs. multi-hero superhero movies, as if it makes a difference at the box office. Outside of Avengers, whose whole appeal is that it's a teamup between multiple heroes, most audiences don't give a shit.
Funny, I had the opposite reaction from Homecoming. I liked Maguire and to a lesser extent Garfield's takes on the character, but what impressed me most about Homecoming and Holland was that it felt Spider-Man-y in a way that I didn't even realize those other movies were lacking until Homecoming showed me otherwise.
Also, count me among the group tired of this pointless distinction between solo vs. multi-hero superhero movies, as if it makes a difference at the box office. Outside of Avengers, whose whole appeal is that it's a teamup between multiple heroes, most audiences don't give a shit.
Funny, I had the opposite reaction from Homecoming. I liked Maguire and to a lesser extent Garfield's takes on the character, but what impressed me most about Homecoming and Holland was that it felt Spider-Man-y in a way that I didn't even realize those other movies were lacking until Homecoming showed me otherwise.
Uh, Suicide Squad opened to 133m and dropped 67% week 2 but held decently well after that. Civil War had a ~2.3x multiplier off it's opening weekend and everyone tells me how great that movie was.
Fair enough.
No. His nickname was because of the DC character because he stretched like crazy.
I hear this.
I like Jamie's Young Justice arc so would be cool to see it recreated.
Good casting. Jason Momoa is a really good casting here, so is Amber Heard.
Non-stop action
And amazing effects.
It's Fast and Furious comic book edition.
The animated version of flashpoint wasn't a reboot though. In fact, the reboot part of Flashpoint in the comics was clearly thrown into at the ending last minute. It's really not a core part of the story. Compared to Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinite Crisis, where the whole plot is about multiple heroes and villains from multiple universes clashing and then the final result being a world with its very history changed by that, Flashpoint's is a fairly odd story where the entire world ends up changed by the mistake of one hero with all the characters that are getting changed or erased not having any role. On top of that, looking at it from the point of view of a self-contained story, Flash messes up the timeline, then by the end of it all when he's putting the timeline back together he hears a mysterious voice and decides to change things up again rather than actually restoring the world. It's a really odd conclusion for something that focused on showing how changing the timeline was bad.
Yeah, the effects work is really spectacular. Look back at the Atlantis scene in Justice League and the stuff we see in Aquaman is just a totally different level. JL looks straight up cheap in comparison.
Far From Home will be very successful but I don't see it making that much more than Homecoming. Maybe 900+. A billion? I would say no, but we'll see. Tough to say without having seen the trailer or Endgame.
People are too used to the idea of a new Spider-Man movie coming out, it doesn't really have that much of an event factor, despite him being the most popular superhero without a doubt.
People are too used to the idea of a new Spider-Man movie coming out, it doesn't really have that much of an event factor, despite him being the most popular superhero without a doubt.
I disagree. I think there is hope in the movie and not just darkness. Superman represent that consistent hope. When Superman is there, the audience is re-assured. So the movie wasn't just darkness and despair. I think BvS is far more complex than people think.
Than Batman revenge justice and hate of Superman was great. I also love how Superman was struggling with his place in the world. And all the controversy about him was he a superhero or a god ?
I absolutely love the confrontation and fight between Batman and Superman. It was visually stunning.
The Wonder Woman kind of mystery appsrition and investigation was good as well.
The only downside to the movie were the bad guys. Lex Luthor was not as good as expected. And that monster ( Doomsday right ? ) was terrible.
I think you nailed it man.
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To be fair, it isn't Atlantis in Justice League
One of those things Wan had Zack promise him, that he would get to reveal Atlantis in his movie. So it's like a post on the outskirts.
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