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Wkd Box Office - 1•4-6•19 - Aquaman threepeats. $260M Dom/$941M WW. Biggest DCEU film to date. Escape Room passes Poppins for 2nd.
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throw in suicide squad , it would have done a billion easy if it was any good , the marketing was superb
James Wan will be the 2nd director to have two $1 billion+ movies in two different franchises. James Cameron being the original, of course.
Spider-Verse was a masterpiece but I'll wait and see what Sony does next before I start singing their praises. Basically since Spider-Man 2 in 2004 they've spent 14 years mismanaging the property. Venom was goofy fun but it gave no indication that they righted the ship. I honestly think since Spider-Verse was an animated film the producers/executives that usually give bad notes were either too confused by the process or disinterested that they just left them alone. I hope I'm wrong and Morbius is a great movie.
I get what you're saying but I don't think Titanic counts as a film franchise.
Scripts aren't static, they get heavily altered once production is done then altered on-set by writers. The script for Russell Crowe's Robin Hood was a good example of this, it was a completely different concept to what they made.
https://www.slashfilm.com/how-nottingham-became-robin-hood-screenwriter-tells-part-of-the-story/
David Goyer isn't the one giving Snyder orders, it's the other way around. While Snyder's had problems with WB, he wasn't their puppet director he had a lot of control over his movies and the DCEU. Superman snapping Zod's neck? Snyder was one of its creators and biggest supporters.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/03/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-of-steel/
Rovan may have wanted the movies to be like the Dark Knight trilogy's tone, instead he got grim dark murder heroes living in a hellscape that made Nolan's Gotham City appear not so bad.
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WB has to be giving Wan the sweetheart deal that Nolan has at this point right? They just need to sit back and not interfere and those directors will make bank.
It's odd to break out an anecdote about a Robin Hood movie from nine years ago explaining standard practice to counter the point that in MoS' case, it was Goyer's script. MoS' production wasn't an ordinary situation. Even the second link you get, a snide article from Kotaku of all places, mentions Goyer wanting and agreeing with the decision but apprehensive of if they'll allow it. Same blurb has the lame wording of not letting Goyer "off the hook" for a decision in a movie from three years prior to its writing. Like these dudes are on trial. Most of all, it misses the point of saying y'all try to scapegoat all the problems of a movies onto one person. That's not how these movies are made, be they small or large scale. Film making is a collaborate process. There's always this weird under currant with directors on nerd properties that takes it to a personal level. Be it Snyder, Lucas, Rian Johnson, Paul Feig, etc. Seems like it's gotten worse nowadays. People were more sensible about how Last Temptation of Christ handled Jesus than dudes are about Superman and Luke Skywalker.
Erm, no it wouldn't have. Suicide Squad did $750m without a Chinese release, a billion was never on the table without that market.
I'm curious what the situation with Suicide Squad 2 will be. From the sounds of things, I guess James Gunn is writing it from 'scratch' and the previous scripts (two, I believe) are binned. So 2021 at the soonest.
Nolan was making The Dark Knight Rises at the time. There literally wasn't time for him to make it. WB needed a Superman movie out to keep the rights. It's also forgotten that Man of Steel was original a late 2012 movie.
Nolan was making The Dark Knight Rises at the time. There literally wasn't time for him to make it. WB needed a Superman movie out to keep the rights. It's also forgotten that Man of Steel was original a late 2012 movie.
It's well documented that Nolan was vehemently against the snap. Goyer/Nolans original script/story had the movie end with Zod sent back through the singularity. Snyder had to say persuade Nolan that he could make the snap work. Nolan's instincts were 100% correct. I wish he made the movie instead.
Amy Pascal got a Golden Globe for a Marvel movie - and very well might get an Oscar - before Kevin Feige managed to. That is insane.
If Marvel's head honcho Kevin Feige went to watch Aquaman and wants Gunn and DC to succeed, why can't internet nerds do the same and just enjoy good movies? I'm willing to bet over 50% of the GA does not know Avengers doesn't belong to DC or Batman doesn't belong to Marvel. A rising tide lifts all boats.
I really like Man of Steel and defend it a lot but when you put it like that...
Which is funny because he didn't develop an aversion to killing at all
It's not merely aversion to killing. It's about killing the last of his own people, and cutting out the last link to a heritage he searched for his entire life, in order to save his adopted people. It's...handled poorly, to put it lightly.
No. Can't be.
"One shall stand, one shall fall." - Old Transformers Proverb
There are plenty of CBM I feel should have done a bil if handled correctly, especially post Avengers.
Justice League
BvS
Suicide Squad
X-Men
Spider-Man
And FF should have done SS/GoTG numbers, at least
I feel GoTG2 could have done it as well if not for the strong dollar at the time. Thor also could have done it, but had to recover from Thor 2, which was mediocre. I also feel like Sony and WB's marketing is inifinitely superior to Disney/Marvel. I think FFH will clear a bil, especially if the marketing in China is on point as Venom was.
With the way the international market has expanded (especially China) and domestic pricing, more and more movies will be clearing 1B. With Aquaman there will be 37 1B+ movies. Out of that, 18 have come in the past 4 years. 2019 is looking to set a record for 1B+ movies.
This feels like the perfect cherry on top of the shitcake that has been the DCEU. The "joke" character has been the best, most successful thing they've managed to get out of the entire endeavour.
Yea, and just moments before he rips a hole through the hull of the ship capable of harvesting Kryptonian embryos. "Krypton had its chance" Movie is dumb as shit.
I wouldn't put Suicide Squad on that list. It already did almost 800 without a China release.
African warlord threatens my girl: FATALITY!
Lex Luthor threatens my mom: Batman, can I holler at you for a minute?
Erm, no it wouldn't have. Suicide Squad did $750m without a Chinese release, a billion was never on the table without that market.
suicide squad had terrible word of mouth
if people actually liked it and it was quality , a billion was definetely in play for it,
the marketing resonated bigly in america and europe , the film itself did not
It doesn't seem like the quality will dip either.
If the Spider-Gwen project moves ahead, it is being helmed by Lauren Montgomery, Bek Smith as the writer, and Lord/Miller producing. That's one heck of a lineup.
It definitely would've gotten closer with good WOM, but I'm not sure it would have hit the mark. China is just too big a market to ignore. The only franchise that can get away with it is Star Wars and Batman.
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Wonder Woman made less than all of 2017 and 2018 MCU except for Ant Man and the Wasp, so that's not the best example.
Yeah, it's strange to see people here acting like Sony has some great vision for Spider-Man that Marvel Comics own film studio themselves lack and it's completely revisionist bullshit.
Sony fucked up Spider-Man so much that they were forced to license the character back to Marvel and were forced to push other characters within the Spider-Man license like Venom getting his own movie and making an animated Spider-Man film-
It's not like Sony naturally arrived at the idea of a Spider-Man film featuring Miles Morales; Lord and Miller pitched it and Sony was smart enough to get out of their way. How much credit do they deserve for that? I'd argue very fucking little after squandering and mis-managing the license so bad for so long.
Had Sony had their way- Peter Parker would still be played by a 35 year old acting as a early 20s "everyman who was given powers meant for him by his secret agent super scientist father" fighting a Sinister Six who would have all gotten their own films, likely with the quality of "Venom".
Sony has their head up their ass when it comes to Spider-Man. The best thing the ever did with the property was getting out of Lord, Miller & Rothman's way unlike when they forced Venom into Spider-Man 3. Again, they deserve little credit for letting other people make something amazing after first consistently putting out pure shit with the Spider-Man property.
As far people complaining that Spider-Man gets to play in the MCU; the character has always been one amongst many superheroes that interact with each other; Never in Marvel Comics books has Spider-Man been the only superhero in NYC or the entire world. Spider-Man in the MCU is a great thing and much better and true to the character than anything the powers at Sony have ever dreamt up themselves.
and Spider-Man 2 is so ridiculously overrated. It's a shit Spider-Man film with a neutered Doc Ock, mute Spidey, crybaby Peter Parker and nearly identical "bad guy takes Mary Jane hostage" climax as the first movie. The first Spider-Man is a much better Spider-Man film.
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It did better domestically than all except IW and BP. There's probably still some overseas markets that wouldn't be too excited about a female led superhero flick.
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You can't cherry pick territories to make an argument though. Domestically, Aquaman will do well, but not be anything all that special either. So either way, I don't think that you can combine the two to make sweeping statements.
True, but then you can also make the argument that her first ever solo film did almost as good as Thor's third and Spider-Man's sixth.
Avengers hit a billion without China every single time and unless Avatar has completely dropped in popularity (I personally doubt it after I visited Pandora this past year), that's another franchise that can hit it without China. Your point still stands though, China's BO is just too big and will only get bigger in the next few years. The Batman's performance will be interesting to see at the BO. I'm looking forward to that.
You're right. Forgot about those.
I think a good Batman film easily hits a billion. Especially with the growth of the overseas market this past decade.
I'd be 100% down for an ongoing 30% RT MorbiusVerse if it keeps the Spider-Verse in Lord & Miller's hands.
I definitely think people are getting a bit carried away with DC's characters have more pull and higher ceiling/higher floor than Marvel's. The market is changing and there are opportunities to be had. For instance, Venom's first movie did better than Wonder Woman and Thor 3 and almost as good as a 2nd GoTG and SM:H for instance.
EDIT: I want to see a random unknown DC character or ensemble movie a la GoTG and Ant Man. Shazam was already known before his movie. Give me an obscure one.
EDIT: I want to see a random unknown DC character or ensemble movie a la GoTG and Ant Man. Shazam was already known before his movie. Give me an obscure one.
Good thing for you is that this exact scenario is happening right before our eyes!
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Homecoming was coming off a shit sandwich, so Far From Home's business next summer will be interesting to watch. If it goes up significantly, Homecoming could be a Batman Begins type deal (to a lesser extent. Not expecting 600M domestic for FFH). If not, maybe a section of people are getting bored of Spider-man films. Even Spider-man 3 would have been around $450M by today's standards. It was the biggest film of the year domestically in 2007.
Everyone talking comic book movies over here, and frankly I'm just sitting here being glad that Escape Room did decent numbers and hoping it gets the sequel they set up. The movie was way more fun than it had any right to be, I honestly enjoyed it more than most things I've seen recently.
Time for a Gold Booster and Blue Beetle movie.
Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the only 3 people on the Internet that likes both MCU and DCEU movies
I at least like every MCU movie besides Thor 2 which I fell asleep twice trying to finish, really enjoyed Wonder Woman, am excited to see Aquaman this week, and am hyped for the future of both
Never been a better time to be a fan of comic book movies
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