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With legit cpu’s Next Gen, is console WoW a possibility?
- Thread starter Bunzy
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All these hot take posts that somehow think wow actually is remotely the same game in any way as it was in 2004.
wow has always been a pretty good system hog and has updated its minimum requirements constantly. it would run like garbage in many situations on a ps4 or xbox one I'm sure.
wow has always been a pretty good system hog and has updated its minimum requirements constantly. it would run like garbage in many situations on a ps4 or xbox one I'm sure.
What on earth makes you think this, OP? FFXIV is a more CPU-intensive game than WoW and that ran on a PS3 for god's sake.
WoW is not a CPU-intensive game in the slightest. The main issue with it coming to consoles now is that it's well past its prime and the window for console ports is pretty much closed for that game.
WoW is not a CPU-intensive game in the slightest. The main issue with it coming to consoles now is that it's well past its prime and the window for console ports is pretty much closed for that game.
at this point who cares? the remake of original wow would be a good point to bring new players in but they opted not to do it
Which is completely possible on a controller. XIV made pressing 24 different kinds of battle actions pretty easy to do.
The issue is probably more that nothing is setup for controller ease of use.
There's like 60 something odd 'buttons' when you play wow with wowmapper. I raid at curve level and pvp at 2k + using controller, no problems.
FFXIV doesn't pay any tax for that as you can only sub on their website.
They easily could have gotten a sweetheart deal during last gen at the height of WoWs popularity and probably even now.
There's no PSN requirement for subscription based games on PSN and Square was even allowed to bypass the PS store for FFXIV for nearly all transactions. All game related transactions outside of initial purchase and expansion keys are handled by Square via a website. All subs and cash shop items are sold directly by them, you won't find them on the PS Store.
IIRC Square also got the same sweetheart deal last gen with XI on the 360 and Konami had something similar with MGS4's online component.
The FFXIV layout allows direct access to 48 actions via trigger combos and it's crazy intuitive. It gets a bit cumbersome mapping out more battle actions than that, but the option is there allowing you to map up to 124 per class.
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Well, it is much faster paced for one. The pace of actions and combat in FFXIV are based around controller users, and that's why it features a GCD that's quite a bit longer than WoWs. So encounters are tuned around that much faster GCD. They would need to retune like the entire game. Especially healing, which is much spikier and random in WoW versus how it is in 14.
Uh.One of the things WoW (and any Blizzard game really) does is that they are built to run with a wide variety of machines in mind...including machines worse than current gen consoles. As for input, the developers are free to have their game support KB/m on consoles if they want.
WoW is not on consoles because the developers don't want it there due to whatever reasons, maybe it's because they don't want to deal with multiple SKUs and builds or maybe it's something else.
WoW is not on consoles because the developers don't want it there due to whatever reasons, maybe it's because they don't want to deal with multiple SKUs and builds or maybe it's something else.
Gameloft had a wow clone on iPhone which imo looked pretty damn close to wow and im pretty sure it ran on the iphone 3gs. Theres nothing that stopped them porting to 360 gen, only not wanting to lose a percentage to MS /sony
WoW is deceptively resource intensive mainly due to running on a bedrock of 15 year old engine not built from the ground up to leverage newer technologies and standards at the scale of a MMO with potentially tons of players being rendered at once.
Last time I played it, which was shortly after BFA released, mundane particle effects like bears kicking up dust could affect the framerate to a ludicrous degree.
Last time I played it, which was shortly after BFA released, mundane particle effects like bears kicking up dust could affect the framerate to a ludicrous degree.
Modern WoW could easily work on the base PS4 and XB1 and hardware wise getting it running on PS3 and the 360 wouldn't be an impossibility except for the low amount of RAM. You can not look at PC requirements and then compare that to console hardware. PC software has to be designed to run with more overhead and far more possible hardware combinations. A console release would be much easier to optimize since you have a known hardware base.
FFXIV was playable on the PS3, but we know that SE has mentioned PS3 RAM limitations causing some issues (mostly UI and zone sizes). The rest of the issues are 1.0's horrible code base.
The biggest reason why we probably wouldn't see WoW on consoles is development cost. It would not be cheap to go through a MMO code base and port it to a console. On top of that you then have to redesign 15 years worth of content around controller usage. Addons aren't actually a deal breaker because you can still have them on a console, but you'd probably end up with them being curated by Blizzard.
As far as raid fights go for controller vs KB/M, it would be a UI design issue and GCD has no bearing what so ever. FFXIV's slower GCD is not because of controllers but a design decision by SE. Why would controllers require a slower GCD to begin with? It isn't harder, nor does it take longer, to hit buttons on a controller versus a KB/M. Generally when speaking of advantages of KB/M over a controller it is precision (mouse input is more precise than joystick).
FFXIV was playable on the PS3, but we know that SE has mentioned PS3 RAM limitations causing some issues (mostly UI and zone sizes). The rest of the issues are 1.0's horrible code base.
The biggest reason why we probably wouldn't see WoW on consoles is development cost. It would not be cheap to go through a MMO code base and port it to a console. On top of that you then have to redesign 15 years worth of content around controller usage. Addons aren't actually a deal breaker because you can still have them on a console, but you'd probably end up with them being curated by Blizzard.
As far as raid fights go for controller vs KB/M, it would be a UI design issue and GCD has no bearing what so ever. FFXIV's slower GCD is not because of controllers but a design decision by SE. Why would controllers require a slower GCD to begin with? It isn't harder, nor does it take longer, to hit buttons on a controller versus a KB/M. Generally when speaking of advantages of KB/M over a controller it is precision (mouse input is more precise than joystick).
I played vanilla WoW on a 1ghz Pentium 3 with 1gb RAM and a GeForce MX440...
Obviously the game has improved significantly since then, but as others have said, current consoles would be more than capable of running it. The reason for a lack of console version lie elsewhere.
Obviously the game has improved significantly since then, but as others have said, current consoles would be more than capable of running it. The reason for a lack of console version lie elsewhere.
Yes, that's the main reason, nothing to do with its age, hardware requirements or whatever.
I mean, when they changed the number of inventory slots on the default bag, the game broke for a couple of days. Some bosses were impossible to beat, old items removed many years ago began dropping again, many animations/visuals effects didn't worked anymore. I probably forgot some other bugs, but we're talking about a 15 years old spaghetti code.
FFXIV is great with a controller and I've had Steam Controller setups working beautifully for WoW. I would love to see next gen consoles support the Steam Controller, actually. Why not?
Why wouldn't faster paced gameplay work on console though? as an Astrologian player the gameplay in XIV is anything but slow, the amount of fast decisions that class requires is crazy.
dont think the input speed is that much of a problem, but raid healing with controller would be a nightmare as the target swapping is so slow and would not fly in higher tier wow raids
You could make it work on a controller fine. Would it be ideal? No. But people talking about high end raiding, that shit makes up a tiny fraction of the player base. Who already play on pc. They could get it working fine enough for people to play casually who haven't already jumped in or just want to play their account on the couch in an easy going way.
It also supported dial-up for a while. Thise sub 10FPS night in MC were glorious.
I'm holding out for a next gen mmorpg. Played enough of WOW and Ff14 over the years. A mmorpg launching with the PS5 ground up controller support and cross play with PC would be awesome. Not going to happen though for long time.
Says someone who knows nothing about Blizzard. They are definatly putting more than a red cent into WoW. Just read their financials.
WoW is terrible with a controller, the gameplay is built around targeting things with your mouse. Writing in chats is a huge part of the game as well and I dont see that translating well into console.
Sadly I think MMO is a dead genre, chances of that happening are slim, though I'm hoping SE is working on the next online FF.
They would have to remake it first, which I would be totally up to. Use Unreal Engine 4 and add action-based combat. Leave the rest pretty much as is. Release it on PC/PS5/Next Xbox/Next Switch with cross-play.
Enjoy the revival of the Golden Goose.
Enjoy the revival of the Golden Goose.
It's just a matter of handling the healing UI properly for a controller. There's been people healing heroic raids with a controller already.
Really hope next gen consoles have full M&K support. Would open up a lot more genres to consoles like MMOs and RTS. Would also make cross play with PC more fair, and more games can have larger pools of players.
It doesnt matter if they do or not. Nobody is gonna put a game on a console that requires mandatory mouse and keyboard.
I'd say adapting it to a controller is THE hardest challenge, not hardware. f2p shlock like Tera can get away with halfassed controller set up, but anyone who actually played ff14 witha controller can vouch that sheer amount of resources that went into designing all of that to work as well as it does and be as surprisingly customizeable as it is, must've been immense. All the r&d playtesting, just to make sure all major aspects are covered, all the tiny differences in behavior depending on whicb button you hold or not, and multiple means of targetting and changing targets, as well as supporting things like "soft" targeting to quickly heal, just the simple fact that elft an right swaps hostiles, up and down team mates... all of those things that give you immense sense of control, even if it ultimately not quite as precise as kb/m
Playing any other mmo with a controller after ff14 is kinda like going from a luxury professionally designed and manufactured car to some weird abomination you built in your garage from half rusted parts you salvaged from old junkyard.
Playing any other mmo with a controller after ff14 is kinda like going from a luxury professionally designed and manufactured car to some weird abomination you built in your garage from half rusted parts you salvaged from old junkyard.
just seems super bad, how do you fast navigate like 25man raid ui vs mouseover
FFXIV is on PS4 and PS3, it looks better than WoW and is more complex.
Dunno why you'd think WoW wouldn't have been able to run on consoles lol
Dunno why you'd think WoW wouldn't have been able to run on consoles lol
MMORPGs work just fine on console (FFXIV, ESO, etc) so it's not the CPU to blame. i just don't think they've ever really thought it worth the time/money to bring it over. Plus, nobody is gonna pay a monthly fee for PS+/XBL and then another to play the game. It would need to drop the subscription model completely and Blizzard ain't gonna do that. That'd lose a lot of money from the time it would take to port it over and not getting monthly fees. Also if it were to drop subscription for console they might risk losing PC users.
Blizzard have made their money on WoW and at this point it's only really there for the hardcore dedicated fans. For a newcomer it's not so welcoming.
Blizzard have made their money on WoW and at this point it's only really there for the hardcore dedicated fans. For a newcomer it's not so welcoming.
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I think some people use "raid cursors", so the d-pad moves over the raid frames of party members for "mouse over" healing. Apparently it's quite decent once you get good at it. For PS4, I could see gyro radial heal menus being an interesting approach. You'd have all your raid frames in a radial wheel in the UI, and you'd target them by tilting the controller.
