A 55" C9 is $2700. The sad reality of living in latin america. Even the budget TVs are expensive, I wanted to buy a 50" TCL 6 series and that TV would cost me like $1100.
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With CES 2021 behind us, have any TV’s emerged as ideal for next gen gaming?
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They've already announced the LG C1. It will be brighter than the CX, but who knows what that'll cost.
The G1 was announced to be brighter, but I believe the current thought is that the C1 will be very similar to the CX.
The panels between the CX and C1 are pretty much the same. The only difference seems to be some updated speakers and the new UI elements which no one is sure if they'll be brought back to the CX. Oh and the 83 inch option. The G1 series will use the new Evo panels that have a higher peak brightness.
They have yeah (although in mistaken, it's not the brighter panel)
I bought one two weeks ago and it had just been imported from Mexico
I'm from Uruguay and my CX was USD 2800
Burn in is a cumulative process rather than an isolated event. If you play 40 hours of something, it does not matter how you spread that play over time - you will have put 40 hours of wear on to the pixels.
I'm very interested to see what this 42" OLED is, and if anyone else makes a high spec 40-43" TV of any sort!
Still? That sucks. I regurlarly work with them and they do it for free here in The Netherlands, also in other European countries according to the reps I spoke to, although I myself cannot confirm if they're correct. I heard some positive stories from Belgian and French customers though.
I'd always avoid the first generation of new TV tech. The first few years of OLEDs (pre-6 series) were woeful with off-angle green tint, vignetting, near-black banding, pink splodges and all kinds of uniformity issues. I know, I owned them. The 6 series (eg C6) was when things finally turned around and OLEDs hit a home run. But I've no doubt Micro LED will be the same the first few years, great on paper but with a ton of niggles. And Samsung has a bad reputation for uniformity on their panels as it is.
It has been in the past, the 6 series seemed to be prone. But they've made improvements since then. I've played >250 hours of Rocket League on my C9 and not a hint of burn in even with test slides.
Compare that to my old Panny plasma, where I got burn in from playing 20 hours of Peggle. Different league.
Aren't all Sony OLEDs sourced from LG anyways?
That said I'd still go with Sony due to their image processing and native GoogleTV
It's a cumulative issue with OLEDs. If you played a game for 3 hours across 3 days, it's essentially the same as playing it for 3 hours straight. Ultimately I think the issue comes down to how long you expect to own the TV, and if you're consistently playing the same handful of games or types of games over and over. Most people tend to own TVs for a while, 5 years or more. You're not going to see burn in during the early years, barring a bad panel or very abusive use, but you might see it down the line depending on how you use it. It's not something to worry about as it was with Plasma TVs, or OLEDs from several years ago, but I don't think the attitude some folks have about it being "solved" is quite right either. These are expensive TVs, some folks are comfortable knowing that they wouldn't mind replacing it in a few years if things go awry, whereas others might not be.
Will def go with one of the new high end mini led tvs, probably from samsung
i wont even consider oled for my main big tv - with children that game the same a games a LOT, burn in is pretty much a guarantee for me
Dont want a family tv i have to maintain (pixel refresh etc) and restrict how others in the family use it
i wont even consider oled for my main big tv - with children that game the same a games a LOT, burn in is pretty much a guarantee for me
Dont want a family tv i have to maintain (pixel refresh etc) and restrict how others in the family use it
This is my main issue with OLEDs, since I play Souls-likes a lot, and have spent thousands of hours with Let It Die, which looks like this:
I really don't want to worry about it, especially as I'll probably be using the display for a decade, like the current one. It's a long-time investment to me, and I don't expect to be replacing it until the next paradigm shift arrives. I gather, that MicroLEDs becoming affordable (as in <1000€ for 55") will take several years.
The new X90J Bravia looks like a good choice to me with its full HDMI 2.1 support, and having the same features as the high end models.
I've also read, that Bravias give better color accuracy out of the box, and don't necessarily require calibration like LG displays. Plus, they apparently have a better motion interpolation and black frame insertion, and a bit more natural tone mapping as well. LEDs don't have the banding issues of OLEDs either. Given all that, the better blacks, wider viewing angles, and possibly a bit lower input lag of OLEDs seem like a minor tradeoff to me.
Guess it just depends on why you're wanting to buy a TV in the first place. Exclusively gaming? Mostly show/movie viewing while also gaming? If I was only exclusively gaming on mine, I might have considered something else, but when at least 75% of its use goes towards viewing, it was a no-brainer for me. None of the other panel types can compare yet. Also, using a 1080p TV isn't because I'm worried about the OLED. It's that 1080p video game content still looks comparatively like shit at a 4K resolution compared to being on a native resolution screen. Same goes for 720p.
I was considering the G1 until I recently found out that it's only wall mountable, or you have to use that ridiculously tacky "gallery" stand, so it's now not an option.
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Been waiting years for Real Mini LED and it is finally here from LG and Samsung. Samsung will be the only TV brand offering 12 bit color, Adaptive HDR10+ and AMD Free Sync pro in Mini LED so my eyes on are them first. LG's QNED Mini LED are also looking good too and even Hisense has Mini LED now. TCL's mini led has taken the next step with its OD Zero tech and 8K. Skipped over OLED for Mini LED and now they are finally here.
The LG G1 gen 2 OLED panel is said to be 20% efficient in terms of brightness and color volume.
Sony's Master Series A90J is using the LG panel with a heat sink so it's the same as the Panasonic HZ2000 panel. Both new TVs for the first time should hit close to 1000 nits. They will be the most expensive OLEDs as well.
Sony's Master Series A90J is using the LG panel with a heat sink so it's the same as the Panasonic HZ2000 panel. Both new TVs for the first time should hit close to 1000 nits. They will be the most expensive OLEDs as well.
What we need to see with these next ones is an improvement in colour volume , the current panels can only get to about 550nits in RGB- the Whitt sub pixel is the one that carried to them 1000nits, but is obviously monochrome. It's this colour difference you see between a good LCD display and an OLED quite easily
MiniLED is not a replacement for OLED and has all the tradeoffs of an LED, just with the addition of more dimming zones than anything. The big one everyone was waiting for was MicroLED, which seems to still have no path to consumer sets right now, which is why Samsung is now looking at OLED themselves.
Honestly, while oleds exist, and have significantly better blacks, it's hard to recommend any LCD/led panel.
I saw some marketing blurb for an inorganic self immisve led set but not seen any deets yet to confirm that it's oled but better.
Honestly screen burn isn't an issue, but if you worry about it, you worry about it, so it's a personal thing.
I think you're getting confused between Mini LED and Micro LED.
Mini LED is just LCD with some more lipstick, basically smaller local dimming zones for less haloing. OLED is still going to provide superior picture quality.
You're thinking of Micro LED, of which Samsung has announced is coming (exclusively from them) this year but will be in a completely different price league and likely only in large (88"+) variants.
The inky blacks of OLEDs sure look nice in store display demos, but how often will you encounter the same in actual movies, series, and games?
It seems to me the tradeoffs (detailed in my previous post) for better blacks just aren't worth it. Not to mention, that LGs apparently don't behave as well as Bravias with PS consoles, when it comes to HDMI-CEC.
The good news is that Sony and Panasonic OLEDs will now support HDMI 2.1, and Sony are switching to display-led Dolby vision rather than player-led.
Unfortunately though, Panasonic are still only releasing OLEDs in 55″/65″ sizes, and the high-end ones have a non-removable Atmos sound bar built in.
Sony are adding an 83″ model, but have not announced an updated 48″ model with HDMI 2.1 support.
LG Display's bendable 48″ OLED prototype remains just that. LG Electronics have not announced a TV with that feature.
And neither company has the same warranty support as LG.
It's in LG's interests to replace the panel if it burns, to avoid tanking their OLED panels' reputation. Sony/Panasonic will not.
I'm always cautious when people continually post things like: "X company's support is so good!" though, because I'd rather have a product which does not require me to contact customer support at all.
I was hoping for smaller 8K TVs from Samsung, but it looks like they may have actually dropped 8K support at 55″ this year.
4K at 48″ is only 92 pixels per inch, which is quite a low pixel density for a computer monitor. Even the new 43″ OLED panel (not a TV) would only be 103 PPI.
Panasonic have the best, with them having eliminated the near-black posterization present to varying degrees on all other OLEDs.
But Sony have the best color, motion, and detail enhancements for lower-quality sources. They do the best job of removing compression artifacts like color banding.
LG Electronics operate the same way too - they buy the OLED panels from LG Display and then produce the television themselves.
LCD displays 'reset' any wear when you switch them off and the crystals return to their rest state.
Technically, locally-dimmed backlights could show uneven wear, but I've had one for over 10 years with no signs of that. The inorganic LEDs used for backlights are significantly more resilient than OLED.
The C9/CX are too new to say whether they will have long-term burn-in problems.
People say the panels are improved, but that might only buy another 12 months before they start looking like the older panels do.
It is far from a given that they will have "no burn in".
It's not officially written in the warrant conditions, and I intend on keeping my TV for longer than 6 years (it's not like the replaced panels won't also burn).
I can buy a third-party warranty to cover it, but that's an additional expense and only lasts five years.
On the one-hand, it is tempting to just buy an OLED for the superior image quality, and get it replaced if it burns within that warranty period.
Even with screen burn, it would arguably look better than most LCD displays if you can overlook it.
On the other-hand, I'd rather not deal with/think about it, as much as I'd prefer to not get another LCD - especially not a VA-type LCD.
Mini LED displays are LCDs with mini LED backlighting (more dimming zones). They are not self-emissive micro LED displays (competitor to OLED).
Unfortunately though, Panasonic are still only releasing OLEDs in 55″/65″ sizes, and the high-end ones have a non-removable Atmos sound bar built in.
Sony are adding an 83″ model, but have not announced an updated 48″ model with HDMI 2.1 support.
LG Display's bendable 48″ OLED prototype remains just that. LG Electronics have not announced a TV with that feature.
And neither company has the same warranty support as LG.
It's in LG's interests to replace the panel if it burns, to avoid tanking their OLED panels' reputation. Sony/Panasonic will not.
I'm always cautious when people continually post things like: "X company's support is so good!" though, because I'd rather have a product which does not require me to contact customer support at all.
I was hoping for smaller 8K TVs from Samsung, but it looks like they may have actually dropped 8K support at 55″ this year.
4K at 48″ is only 92 pixels per inch, which is quite a low pixel density for a computer monitor. Even the new 43″ OLED panel (not a TV) would only be 103 PPI.
Sony and Panasonic have better image quality than LG.
Panasonic have the best, with them having eliminated the near-black posterization present to varying degrees on all other OLEDs.
But Sony have the best color, motion, and detail enhancements for lower-quality sources. They do the best job of removing compression artifacts like color banding.
The panels are. Everything which makes it a television, including important aspects of image quality, is developed by Sony.
LG Electronics operate the same way too - they buy the OLED panels from LG Display and then produce the television themselves.
It's only a risk for OLED.
LCD displays 'reset' any wear when you switch them off and the crystals return to their rest state.
Technically, locally-dimmed backlights could show uneven wear, but I've had one for over 10 years with no signs of that. The inorganic LEDs used for backlights are significantly more resilient than OLED.
The C9/CX are too new to say whether they will have long-term burn-in problems.
People say the panels are improved, but that might only buy another 12 months before they start looking like the older panels do.
Blue OLED material has the shortest lifespan of all of them - especially when they are intending on having blue be a pass-through rather than using a blue QD color filter, which means shorter-life materials than other blues (this is why LG uses a cyan material).
It is far from a given that they will have "no burn in".
A one-time courtesy replacement for displays which are only 2–3 years old, in some regions.
It's not officially written in the warrant conditions, and I intend on keeping my TV for longer than 6 years (it's not like the replaced panels won't also burn).
I can buy a third-party warranty to cover it, but that's an additional expense and only lasts five years.
On the one-hand, it is tempting to just buy an OLED for the superior image quality, and get it replaced if it burns within that warranty period.
Even with screen burn, it would arguably look better than most LCD displays if you can overlook it.
On the other-hand, I'd rather not deal with/think about it, as much as I'd prefer to not get another LCD - especially not a VA-type LCD.
I think you are confusing mini LED with micro LED.
Mini LED displays are LCDs with mini LED backlighting (more dimming zones). They are not self-emissive micro LED displays (competitor to OLED).
Is there anyone here who is very happy with BX?
I would like to get a somewhat future-proof LG TV (at least something with HDMI 2.1), but CX is a bit too rich for my blood (and also as my first OLED I'm a bit concerned about burn in and want to test the OLED waters with something less a little expensive).
I would like to get a somewhat future-proof LG TV (at least something with HDMI 2.1), but CX is a bit too rich for my blood (and also as my first OLED I'm a bit concerned about burn in and want to test the OLED waters with something less a little expensive).
Very!
Grabbed a BX9 with 55 inch for 1095 EUR on a sale two weeks ago. Coming from a backlight 4k LED with 60Hz and a cheap panel that cost 550EUR three years ago, it is a major improvement. Perfect image homogeneity with no visible veil or uneven colours (that were mostly visible on one-colour images, like home screens, dashboards, etc.), popping contrasts and colours (that can be easily dialed back if you find the default settings too strong), lots and lots of options.
VRR works on my computer (if I work around the restrictions of my 2070's HDMI 2.0) without any flickering or shifts in gamma that were reported (on the CX I think?). Viewing angle stability is great and the input delay is, IIRC, around 12ms (game mode). So even playing fast games feels almost like playing on my 144Hz TN panel.
Only negative I have so far that it could be too dark for VERY bright rooms (but so is the CX) and that the OLED brightness is somewhat regulated automatically depending on the scene (to avoid burn-in, I think). I notice it from time to time in games that have more static scenes but even more in PC/desktop usage because the image doesn't change much when not playing a game or watching a movie, so the shift in (auto) brightness is very apparent.
I've read that the BX's processor is an older one than in the CX but I'm not sure if a better processor in a TV is worth the extra hundreds of EUR especially when most processor-depending things are disabled in game mode anyways. At least that was the argument in a review I've read and because I mainly play on the TV I had no doubts.
Features, image quality and size for the price I've paid was well worth the upgrade.
Also, apparently there are some features to delay/avoid burn-in. I'm not too tech savvy so only paraphrase what I've read, but the TV shifts the image ever so slightly you wouldn't notice and there is an automatic pixel refresher (also a manual one). Not sure if it's a placebo in the end or does help, but right now I'm enjoying it way more and than worrying about burn-in.
Imo Oled is the only viable tech atm, why buy a device that only/ primarily serves as a picture displaying device and skimp on picture quality? Makes no sense to me.
Atm there is no Oled on the market that has Hdmi 2.1 without hard or software bugs surrounding it, CX with its VRR black levels etc.
So I'll hopefully get a 2021 Sony oled this year, if they have all Hdmi 2.1 kinks ironed out. LG choose to display ads in their 2021 menu, can't support that. The wait for a new TV could finally be over.
I rode my full hd pana plasma for over a decade, my next set has to accomplish the same.
Atm there is no Oled on the market that has Hdmi 2.1 without hard or software bugs surrounding it, CX with its VRR black levels etc.
So I'll hopefully get a 2021 Sony oled this year, if they have all Hdmi 2.1 kinks ironed out. LG choose to display ads in their 2021 menu, can't support that. The wait for a new TV could finally be over.
I rode my full hd pana plasma for over a decade, my next set has to accomplish the same.
I was fortunate to have a bit of spare cash after the PS5 launched and went with the CX. As someone that's only ever had LCD I was wary of image retention as you read stories and reviews about the possibility. The closer I got to buying it the more I decided to analyse my gaming habits, especially over the past generation or two.
I came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be an issue based on how modern gaming has changed.
It's vary rare that you will have a game with a static image for a long time, especially with cutscenes, pause menus, jumping in and out of the os. Game/Ap switching such as firing up YouTube for 10 minutes here and there are things I naturally due during a session. I'm no longer worried about image retention let alone actual burn in.
The CX also has a few options to help mitigate any issues too. If it detects logos or hud elements that could cause issues it will pixel shift them ever so slightly. I don't know if my CX has ever done the switch. if it has I've never noticed it.
I came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be an issue based on how modern gaming has changed.
It's vary rare that you will have a game with a static image for a long time, especially with cutscenes, pause menus, jumping in and out of the os. Game/Ap switching such as firing up YouTube for 10 minutes here and there are things I naturally due during a session. I'm no longer worried about image retention let alone actual burn in.
The CX also has a few options to help mitigate any issues too. If it detects logos or hud elements that could cause issues it will pixel shift them ever so slightly. I don't know if my CX has ever done the switch. if it has I've never noticed it.
It's certainly ridiculous that they're not when they are in other countries.
I inherited my dads B7, and whilst the burn-in isn't too bad it does frustrate me seeing it so I want to get the panel replaced someday.
Supposedly they do repair the panels for free for some people though in the UK, so I imagine it's just luck. I may try and go through Facebook/Twitter instead.
Yep.
Burn-in is an issue still and people are far too quick to dismiss it.
You are misunderstanding oled burn-in risks. It doesn't matter about "static image". That is from the old plasma days. If you rack up a thousand hours of Destiny, no matter how many times you play a different game, youtube video or switch to the OS - the panel wear on an oled is equivalent to if you had shown nothing but that glowing yellow full super meter for 1,000 hours straight.
That's not how burn in works. It's cumulative, like mercury poisoning.
The main difference is that there will be more color banding/posterization in gradients, especially near black.
This can make the compression artifacts from streaming video sources a lot more noticeable, and you may see flashes of brighter color in dark scenes.
I have an LG c8 with burn in. Saying that stuff like that doesn't happen is absolutely false sadly.
This is pretty much the same boat I was in.
After a little over a decade of enjoying my Pioneer plasma, there's just no way I could sacrifice on anything picture quality related when making the jump to 4K.
Even though my plasma suffered from burn in and likely had a more degraded picture compared to the best LCD you could've gotten in 2009, I still enjoyed the best, reasonably attainable 1080p image you could get for the 1000's and 1000's of hours of content I watched on it. The PQ regularly impressed me to this day.
But more simply put,
The satisfaction of knowing I'm getting the best image out of a device that's sole use to me is to view images on, greatly outweighs the satisfaction I'd have of knowing my device may degrade less overtime, but will always deliver a compromised image.
So I finally got a CX last year and could not be happier with my decision.
I know I'll be getting the same amount of enjoyment out of the CX that I did with my plasma + the vast improvements in burn in prevention features these TV's have compared to those old plasmas.
