Apparently his opinion on Japanese games is where people drew the line. Embarrasing, and i'm not talking about Phil Fish.
Look how popular JonTron is, despite the whole eugenics garbage he spouted out
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Wish there was a Fez 2?
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Apparently his opinion on Japanese games is where people drew the line. Embarrasing, and i'm not talking about Phil Fish.
Look how popular JonTron is, despite the whole eugenics garbage he spouted out
Yeah - he could have done with some media training (since he is/was running a business) and not be as brash/keep some of his opinions to himself.. but I don't remember being an actual horrible person/racist/etc.
That's it. And frankly saying that in 2012 is probably tamer and less stupid than general hot takes you'd see on message boards around then, even now and here on some occasions.
And looking at the general cadence and tone on present day Twitter, he was just ahead of his time.
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Absolutely. He didn't do himself any favors. His comments definitely rubbed me the wrong way at the time. I just don't think he is some kind of monster, and I don't think he deserves to still get dragged through the mud, which people have already done quite a bit.
y'all likely don't know how much GamerGate-related stuff took a toll on him. women in the industry have told me very bluntly that Fish took serious heat by being one of the only men they knew in game development who actively replied to and combatted GG-related hate and targeting. you don't have to like the guy, but I promise you, he was more active in giving a shit about GG victims than waaaay too many people (myself included, sadly). exactly where that landed in the Fez-related timeline, I can't say, but I promise you it changed his tenor about participating in game development and discourse as we know it.
or, in my own words (not his), getting predominately angry and targeted responses to the work you do can make it easy to not want to do that work anymore. how much of that he "earned," I dunno, and maybe he needed to disconnect to do his own personal work on that front. but I think of Fish the way I think of Bill Watterson: someone whose work I hugely admired and whose personal relationship to fandom was fucking complicated. (if Bill Watterson had been active on Twitter, I imagine our view of Calvin & Hobbes would be VERY VERY different.)
and just like with Bill Watterson, I'd likely want to see/play/experience future projects if they ever happened...... and have also made my peace with what it means to let go of a favorite creator as a fan. sometimes we lose creators to death, to retirement, or to their creative well running dry. it all happens. life goes on.
or, in my own words (not his), getting predominately angry and targeted responses to the work you do can make it easy to not want to do that work anymore. how much of that he "earned," I dunno, and maybe he needed to disconnect to do his own personal work on that front. but I think of Fish the way I think of Bill Watterson: someone whose work I hugely admired and whose personal relationship to fandom was fucking complicated. (if Bill Watterson had been active on Twitter, I imagine our view of Calvin & Hobbes would be VERY VERY different.)
and just like with Bill Watterson, I'd likely want to see/play/experience future projects if they ever happened...... and have also made my peace with what it means to let go of a favorite creator as a fan. sometimes we lose creators to death, to retirement, or to their creative well running dry. it all happens. life goes on.
I liked it a lot and have largely avoided the Fish dialogue because I haven't done enough research on it. I don't know if he's an awful dude, can't handle criticism, or what?
I would think he could simply release a sequel with no announcement kinda like PT and see how it does
I would think he could simply release a sequel with no announcement kinda like PT and see how it does
Yup.
People think he's an asshole because he dared criticize the output of Japanese games in the mid to late aught's, when Japanese development was still refusing to adopt the usage of a lot of middleware and the most common game engines. He was right, but he was prickly and people took a major affront to him.
Watching those moments of Phil Fish really is a pretty good lesson in dealing with the internet, in that if you want to stay sane, you probably shouldn't at all. Everyone wants to talk about games in their own voice, but the gaming community has made it pretty clear that certain things aren't allowed to be spoken about or criticized, and if you do you get tossed out.
People will take your opinion more seriously, even if they disagree, if you don't spout off like an arrogant ass.
This was all before "GamerGate" so I don't think there is any reason to bring it up.
I always thought the hate toward Phil Fish was misdirected. Did he do anything worse than act like a manchild and annoy people online? Shouldn't result in a complete excommunication imo.
Nothing justifies the hate campaign against him and I agree he's probably not a bad person but it's not just that one comment about japanese games that made him a target. He fueled this fire again and again through his toxic style of discourse on social media.
Completely vanishing from the internet was the best thing he could have done at this point.
I still hold out a sliver of hope he continued development in silence and will just shadowdrop Fez 2 in a few years.
He was abrasive, but didn't deserve near the abuse he got on Twitter. He even got hacked and his personal information posted on the internet. I wish he was able to put out Fez 2, but I see 100% why he wanted to step away from game dev after what he was put through by the community.
I look back at this moment as a nice reminder why the general gaming community is garbage and how people explode over small things that no one remembers a couple of months after the dust settles.
I look back at this moment as a nice reminder why the general gaming community is garbage and how people explode over small things that no one remembers a couple of months after the dust settles.
It was released in a time where you could count indie games coming out in a month on one hand, which made every single one of them special.
Super Meat Boy, Bastion, N+, Braid, Trials, you name it.
Not like today where every game store feels like an awful mobile store with 300 games being released in a month with 280 of them being crap or mediocre at best.
Loved Fez. What a game.
I hope one day Fish chills the fuck out and makes a sequel.
although tbf. A part of me has always wondered if he self sabotaged because he wasn't convinced he could make a Fez 2 that Was able to match the nigh on perfection of Fez.
I hope one day Fish chills the fuck out and makes a sequel.
although tbf. A part of me has always wondered if he self sabotaged because he wasn't convinced he could make a Fez 2 that Was able to match the nigh on perfection of Fez.
Yes I really wanted to see what he had up his sleeve for FEZ II.
The first game was incredibly fascinating.
The first game was incredibly fascinating.
Yep. It was very frustrating to not see more men actively supporting the GG victims at the time. Phil Fish might've not been great with some things, but there's not excuse for what happened to him during that.
Here's the video of Fish saying Japanese games suck. It's a nice 1-2 douche combo from Fish and Blow.
Fez is a strong contender for my favourite game, and has a soundtrack I still listen to regularly. Fez 2 might not have lived up to the first one, but how I wish we could have found out.
As for Fish, yeah he was abrasive, but took so much crap from every direction, I'm not surprised he imploded the way he did - I hope he found peace away from the spotlight.
As for Fish, yeah he was abrasive, but took so much crap from every direction, I'm not surprised he imploded the way he did - I hope he found peace away from the spotlight.
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I would be very curious to see the venn diagram of people who refused to play Fez because they had a problem with Phil Fish but still continued to play games that actually had problematic creators (I don't consider Phil Fish problematic - he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth, but by my understanding his heart is in the right place).
Yeah, I know he said a lot of things that raised hackles. It just always felt like that was the one remark that really put people over the edge. Though maybe that is because at the time it really rubbed me the wrong way. I am not trying to make excuses for the guy. He said a lot of abrasive things (I know that word has already been used a lot in here, but it really feels like the perfect word to describe Fish). Still, I do stand by what I said, it is crazy that people are still furious at him. It is insane that people still hate Phil Fish, after all these years, just because he wrote some obnoxious/prickly things.
That's even worse than I remember. I thought it was just some twitter rant. Not in response to an actual dev in a Q&A.
Seriously no one should defend anyone who tells someone else to kill themselves.
Posting tweets of Phil Fish dunking on the Annoyed Gamer isn't the gotcha you think it is. Glad that dude's platform died with Gametrailers.People will take your opinion more seriously, even if they disagree, if you don't spout off like an arrogant ass.
This was all before "GamerGate" so I don't think there is any reason to bring it up.
It's also funny hearing Blow talking about Demon Souls being a dumb game yet it's the PS5 launch pillar lmao.
Oh god, I forgot about those tweets.People will take your opinion more seriously, even if they disagree, if you don't spout off like an arrogant ass.
This was all before "GamerGate" so I don't think there is any reason to bring it up.
People will take your opinion more seriously, even if they disagree, if you don't spout off like an arrogant ass.
This was all before "GamerGate" so I don't think there is any reason to bring it up.
yea, good riddance. so long and thanks for all the fish.
People will take your opinion more seriously, even if they disagree, if you don't spout off like an arrogant ass.
This was all before "GamerGate" so I don't think there is any reason to bring it up.
Lmao this seems so quaint. There is even a Bender from Futurama quote in there.
Him saying your favorite platform and/or games from a specific country suck is not a good reason for attempting to ruin his life or even hate him really. I say this as someone who is pretty much strictly on PC for games and roughly half the games I play are from Japanese devs.
Still the only thing I've seen that bugs me is any kind of kill your self comments. The rest is still ignore and move on material.
Still the only thing I've seen that bugs me is any kind of kill your self comments. The rest is still ignore and move on material.
Fish was an eccentric blowhard but y'all are grasping at straws to cancel him. I don't know how I would behave with all my severe social phobias and mental health issues if I suddenly became "famous" and was the target of harressment. He was a dick, but he wasn't fucking Notch.
Back on topic, a Fez 2 in VR could be really dope.
Back on topic, a Fez 2 in VR could be really dope.
The manner in which he just imploded it makes me genuinely question if he had even begun development on it.
Maybe he hadn't or was so early him just killing it wasn't much of a problem.
So Fish showed up at the Giant Bomb e3 party a while back, like 2014 or 15...
He's never getting back into games. He was QUITE vocal.
I think Fez is great am sad that Fez II disappeared and get frustrated when people dismiss Phil Fish without any actual context to his actions.
While abrasive, he was literally the victim of gamer entitlement and mob mentality and it sickens me that people still consider him an enemy rather than highlight the times he's been an ally.
While abrasive, he was literally the victim of gamer entitlement and mob mentality and it sickens me that people still consider him an enemy rather than highlight the times he's been an ally.