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Wired does a Musk expose. It's not pretty.
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yeah if the first time elon tried to take a shit on someone, he got buried in a shitpile of his own, he probably wouldn't be the successful asshole that he is today.
we need to stop coddling assholes who can produce, because no matter what they can't produce on their own.
we need to stop coddling assholes who can produce, because no matter what they can't produce on their own.
As someone who has actually worked in car manufacturing, on a production line, nothing in the OP is out of the ordinary.
Where the issue is that normally, the line managers would stand up to the CEO and tell him to do one if the engineer was a good one. If not the line manager, a quick call to the union rep and the situation would be diffused.
At the very least he could of simply been transferred out of musk's way.
Pretty much anyone with that level of power and responsibility in a company as big as Tesla has asshole moments, you are insanely naive to think differently. Musk is just such an unstable individual that his public face and corporate face have started to merge. That and the fact he is an unshamed narcissist that has cultivated a cult of personality that he in turn gets off on.
Where the issue is that normally, the line managers would stand up to the CEO and tell him to do one if the engineer was a good one. If not the line manager, a quick call to the union rep and the situation would be diffused.
At the very least he could of simply been transferred out of musk's way.
Pretty much anyone with that level of power and responsibility in a company as big as Tesla has asshole moments, you are insanely naive to think differently. Musk is just such an unstable individual that his public face and corporate face have started to merge. That and the fact he is an unshamed narcissist that has cultivated a cult of personality that he in turn gets off on.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotor...n_mr_musk_life_inside_teslas_production_hell/
The thread on the tesla reddit is funny. Most people are defending him saying that he's a genius and people don't understand him, or he must've had good reason for firing them that didn't get told in the story or that it's all worth it because he makes great cars and is changing the world.
The thread on the tesla reddit is funny. Most people are defending him saying that he's a genius and people don't understand him, or he must've had good reason for firing them that didn't get told in the story or that it's all worth it because he makes great cars and is changing the world.
They aren't entirely wrong. Elon Musk, more specifically Tesla, have revolutionized one of the most conservative industries, one that needed to change for a sustainable future. To singlehandedly change such a large industry that is the automotive industry is near unprecedented, let alone his ventures with SpaceX.
I don't blame the engineer. Musk is bat shit crazy. However, the story presenting the employee as having a helpless santa-is-real naïveté about Musk is a bit too much.
It's not his fault, but I have little sympathy for him. I am sure in believing he understood what he was signing up for.
tldr: I have to tell myself this, otherwise I might have to rethink buying a tesla, and I don't want to, because my material needs are more important than treating workers well.
[QUOTE="Biggersmaller, post: 15957138, member: 11838"] I don't blame the engineer. Musk is bat shit crazy. However, the story presenting the employee as having a helpless santa-is-real naïveté about Musk is a bit too much.
It's not his fault, but I have little sympathy for him. I am sure in believing he understood what he was signing up for.[/QUOTE]
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It's not his fault, but I have little sympathy for him. I am sure in believing he understood what he was signing up for.[/QUOTE]
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Depends on how long he's been working there. Like hell I'd take a job there knowing how it is, I'd sooner work for fucking Amazon. But like even half a decade ago Musk was at least mostly able to get out of his own way.
I feel people should be very concerned with workers rights. However, if working conditions is truly the primary concern in this thread, Tesla is likely better in that area than the manufacturer of the device we are posting with, the clothing we are wearing, the furniture we are sitting on, and the flooring it all rests upon.
What a disgusting person. Seriously, who the heck would decide they need to fire someone just for the hell of it? Kudos to Charles Duhigg for writing this piece and exposing Elon Musk for the turd nugget he truly is.
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Musk is flawed and notoriously difficult to work for, but his companies have accomplished things no one else has because of what he demands. One thing this article conveniently left out is that he regularly thanks his employees for their accomplishments. For example on the Q3 earnings call.
"This quarter was made possible by the incredible execution of our employees across the board from sales, production, delivery, service, energy, engineering, finance and all of our G&A teams. Really, every part of the business executed incredibly well. I want to thank everyone again for your incredibly hard work. "
https://youtu.be/LTjggW0uXBw?t=185
If the Tesla work environment was exactly as the article portrays no one would work there. Tesla is nearing 50,000 employees from 3,000 in 2012.
"This quarter was made possible by the incredible execution of our employees across the board from sales, production, delivery, service, energy, engineering, finance and all of our G&A teams. Really, every part of the business executed incredibly well. I want to thank everyone again for your incredibly hard work. "
https://youtu.be/LTjggW0uXBw?t=185
If the Tesla work environment was exactly as the article portrays no one would work there. Tesla is nearing 50,000 employees from 3,000 in 2012.
So the thing that makes Elon Musk so incredibly generous is that he can read PR speak that literally any CEO would say in the course of announcing good news?
You've created a bar so low that people can simply walk over without breaking stride. It would only be a challenge to clear that bar if you first dug a 5 foot trench in the Earth around where the bar is.
For what was posted somewhere above - Him giving thanks or praising workers is literally the least he could do. The most basic form of human decency.
I hope the turd sees demons in his sleep.
I hope the turd sees demons in his sleep.
Also yes. No amount of saying thank you excuses the mistreatment described in the article.
That's up for debate.
But the previous person that replied to me mentioned where folks were getting the idea why Elon Musk is considered some kind of messiah or hero to the world. I gave that person those linked article and will happily provide more. I figured the poster may have argued disingenuously consider the responses before me.
That is an extremely well written article, thanks for sharing. Musk has done a lot of good but he is clearly quite the maniac. If Tesla fails one day (and like most companies it likely will - if only after many years) people will line up to gloat. He's kind of called that upon himself.
Your point was that I don't care about any workers anywhere.
Why?
Because I don't match your particular level of compassion for this engineer or your level of contempt for Musk.
Your defense for Musk didn't contribute to this situation either.
You somehow believe that the same workers rights shouldn't apply across the board, regardless of whether you make 5 figures or 6.
Grow some empathy.
If I could afford to buy my stuff from an ethically sourced, fair trade, workers rights supporting business I would. A tesla is a luxury, not a necessity. There are multiple electric cars you could buy, including ones from manufacturers that treat their workers well. You have a choice that I don't, and you choose to support Tesla.
I'll always find the deification of Musk weird, considering that his companies are making electric cars and.. rockets?
Hell it's not like he's curing cancer or HIV permanently. Giving information about Neuralink when you're drunk and high at Joe's podcast isn't enough.
Hell it's not like he's curing cancer or HIV permanently. Giving information about Neuralink when you're drunk and high at Joe's podcast isn't enough.
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Sure, but never was batshit crazy like this guy, and AFAIK there are no stories of him mistreating his employees or firing them just because .
Just want to point out that how well a car does in a crash has nothing to do with what build quality means. Build quality is how well a car is assembled, meaning the fit and finish, the materials used, ect. You're talking about how well the car was engineered to be safe in a crash.
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Well things seem to be getting worse. I don't remember anything like Amazon workers pissing in bottles back then.
Dat Culture of Cruelty.
Everyone really just wants to be a rich asshole, as that has been conditioned into us as being the ultimate human specimen.
I initially admired Musk because he used his billionaire status to try bold new things. Musk deserves every bit of credit for jumpstarting the electric car industry. He wants to send people to Mars. He spends money like a nerd who won the lottery, but an asshole with money is still an asshole.
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You are badmouthing somebody possibly on the spectrum, who is also a hard working dude trying to do so many things
Here is what I can recall:
1. Make electric cars awesome and improve the technology enough to make it cheap and efficient.
2. Trying to make internet cheaper and more efficient with satellite internet.
3. Trying to fix traffic in LA and, by consequence, everywhere
4. Make AI good. Make humans live longer. Etc etc etc
He probably doesn't sleep enough and is probably obsessively working so hard that the lack of sleep mixed with the stresss of trying to do too much gets to him some times. And he seems as though he is either has a little autism or asbergers
Like. He isn't perfect. He fucks up. But he's not born rich scum fuck lying Trump eroding our country little by little and letting China enslave hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Buddhists, allowing Yemenese to starve to death, letting corporations have as much power as possible, and locking up thousands of Hispanics for trying to seek asylum.
BUT OH. Elon Musk is a scumbag. Fuck that guy.
I agree. He needs to take a chill pill and be a bit better to people. But he isn't Mao Ze Dong. He isn't even Donald Trump. He is an example of how to have discipline and work hard. But maybe also an example of not working so hard you are stressed out and explode easily.
My advice would be to realize he isn't a robot. To emulate his work ethic and believe in your own enginuity, however slight it may be, and work to get to where he is. But also remember to stay human, sleep enough, eat a good healthy keto diet, and balance how you treat people.
None of it is easy.
Here is what I can recall:
1. Make electric cars awesome and improve the technology enough to make it cheap and efficient.
2. Trying to make internet cheaper and more efficient with satellite internet.
3. Trying to fix traffic in LA and, by consequence, everywhere
4. Make AI good. Make humans live longer. Etc etc etc
He probably doesn't sleep enough and is probably obsessively working so hard that the lack of sleep mixed with the stresss of trying to do too much gets to him some times. And he seems as though he is either has a little autism or asbergers
Like. He isn't perfect. He fucks up. But he's not born rich scum fuck lying Trump eroding our country little by little and letting China enslave hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Buddhists, allowing Yemenese to starve to death, letting corporations have as much power as possible, and locking up thousands of Hispanics for trying to seek asylum.
BUT OH. Elon Musk is a scumbag. Fuck that guy.
I agree. He needs to take a chill pill and be a bit better to people. But he isn't Mao Ze Dong. He isn't even Donald Trump. He is an example of how to have discipline and work hard. But maybe also an example of not working so hard you are stressed out and explode easily.
My advice would be to realize he isn't a robot. To emulate his work ethic and believe in your own enginuity, however slight it may be, and work to get to where he is. But also remember to stay human, sleep enough, eat a good healthy keto diet, and balance how you treat people.
None of it is easy.
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Man people really do trip over their own dicks to defend this guy. Why?
Did you read what I wrote? No you didn't.
You read two words and replied with unabashed prejudice.
Boss man tries to look good making public statements. Who knew.
That's a good way of putting it. I think the difference is under Jobs Apple produced successful products out of the gate. Musk and Tesla on the other hand were built not on making good products but on promises, promises that he alone would change the world and he kind of didn't. Sure Tesla cars are selling better than ever but the entire pipe line Musk put together has been such a mess that they had to build Model 3s outside in tents. And production was still behind. Jobs was an asshole but he was an asshole that got shit done. Musk really hasn't.
