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WindowsCentral: Xbox rumor roundup: 'Xbox Series S' Lockhart, new Xbox headset, May event, and more
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That may have come out harder than I meant it, lol. I only mean that we've only heard good things.
No problem. I remebered I read something in the Xbox Series X thread about this a couple days ago.
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I don't know if he has more reliable information, but it is hard to tell either way.
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
With directML I also think that kinetic would take significant less resources for the game to extract the pose from the camera feed, even solve better partial occlusion too. Too bad we will likely not see the benefits of that in a new Kinect any time soon :(
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I don't know if he has more reliable information, but it is hard to tell either way.
Having a Series S option is super savvy by Microsoft. I think that console will be a hit even if I have no personal interest since I'll buy a Series X.
If I had to bet:
Series X: $499
Series S: $349
What do you guys think this would do to the used market for Xbox One X? Selfishly, the Series S scares me into thinking that I won't be able to sell my One X for enough anymore to subsidize my Series X upgrade cost. How much do you guys think; $200 One X used value at time of launch?
If I had to bet:
Series X: $499
Series S: $349
What do you guys think this would do to the used market for Xbox One X? Selfishly, the Series S scares me into thinking that I won't be able to sell my One X for enough anymore to subsidize my Series X upgrade cost. How much do you guys think; $200 One X used value at time of launch?
I mean, the bigger questions for me are how will the market respond to any given scenario? What will price matching do for Xbox vs PS5? What other factors need to fall into place for them to win the perceptions and narrative battle (the only one that truly matters)?
How much cheaper does Series S have to be to appeal to a wider audience that would have otherwise ignored next gen? And/OR How powerful does Series S have to avoid losing interest of the hardcore gaming market? (And at least for this question... I think the Switch shows that the answer is maybe... eh? Not really a concern.)
How much cheaper does Series S have to be to appeal to a wider audience that would have otherwise ignored next gen? And/OR How powerful does Series S have to avoid losing interest of the hardcore gaming market? (And at least for this question... I think the Switch shows that the answer is maybe... eh? Not really a concern.)
I remember when the X and the S came out Microsoft stores were doing a trade in where you bring your old console and they actually gave you pretty good value back, so keep your eyes open for that
I'm hoping most dev's just refuse for it to work and MS has to pay out of pocket for it. 4 Tf to 10-12TF is a substantial gap. That's not even considering other specs.
Well said. The decision which will result to a negative profit margin for console sales for a timespan of years has to be sensible and justifiable. Neither Sony nor MS will go and lose a single dollar just because they can take the loss. They both can take that loss if that's what we're talking about here.
One could also argue that Sony can take a much bigger loss just because its gaming division is so much more successful, and I would actually be inclined to believe that kind of reasoning over MS just throwing money at Xbox division because now they are "fully behind it". Like in any company, Xbox as a division most definitely has to be self sufficient for the most part and turn in a profit or be at least capable of it.
Both will only sell at a loss if they absolutely have to and as both probably have pretty equal BoM, I fully believe that they will sell at the same price.
Matt also said "Things are more than fine though. The service is doing well.", when people were saying that of course Spencer would say it's fine. GP is doing well. There should be no doubt of that.No problem. I remebered I read something in the Xbox Series X thread about this a couple days ago.
Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation
With directML I also think that kinetic would take significant less resources for the game to extract the pose from the camera feed, even solve better partial occlusion too. Too bad we will likely not see the benefits of that in a new Kinect any time soon :(
I don't know if he has more reliable information, but it is hard to tell either way.
The heck.. should people just throw out their (still most popular GPU today) 1060s just because it's only 4 (weaker) TFs? The fact of the matter is, if devs want to reach audiences, they can't afford to be as elitist as Era likes to be.
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How did you got that from that? It says it will support both Ms wireless and bluetooth. Though bluetooth is crap for audio, so to get a decent quality you have to go proprietary either way.
The Warchest argument might not work for a new product that isn't gaining traction in the market, but the Xbox business is pushing 20 years and going into its fourth generation. MS shat out a billion dollars for the RROD fiasco and didnt blink an eye.
So how about that War Chest.
So how about that War Chest.
Good luck having a next gen offering that significantly undercuts the price of your competitor, and this time having the stronger console right at the start which automatically nullifies the power narrative that would yield this console a bad press?
It's clear some here are trying very hard to be concerned on how a weaker console will affect next gen baseline graphics, but they will be fine,
Yep. I bought the PS4 gold headset and love the audio quality with the wireless. I'm down for a Microsoft version
Why would that be a big deal? For non-enthusiasts, resolution isn't that important and tons of people would be happy to spend around $200 less than the PS5 and XSX to play most next gen games at 1080p and the most graphically intensive ones at 900p.
I was thinking on RayTracing with the XSS. I'm not concerned at all, I would buy the lockhart for my monitor.
If they somehow manage to get games on this running at 1080/900p at a solid 60p I think most people will love it. Haven't most gaming enthusiasts been saying screw resolution give me fps?
Well, this IS the question. By that token, could Series X undercut PS5 because SSD is so expensive? I don't think we know anything about pricing or BOM. I wouldn't be so certain either way.
'if it's 350 and x is 600 then that's potentially good margin on a halo product from MS and their volume willl come from the S
Yeah all that raytracing will surely look amazing rendered in 480p resolution.
I think he means you would have to make completely different textures just for Lockhart
I think he is arguing you would have to make every texture twice, but that isnt true.
A lot of people seem to be ignorant that a lot people will use their 1080p TVs until the TV dies or don't care about playing with native 4K resolution. I also see it as a interesting console for parents who are buying a console for their kid. Other markets are also much more price sensitive which could make the Series S an attractive product. I think there is a market for a Series S but it's success wil depend on how big the price difference is.
I'm honestly not worried about Lockhart. Devs will focus on PS5 / XSX, and when they are done, they will put 2-3 people on the Lockhart version, and if it looks or plays like shit, too bad. I don't think they give a fuck, they won't compromise their vision of next-gen gaming.
You're assuming the PS4 and Switch for that matter just disappears? The only thing the Lockhart undercuts is the XSX IMO. Sony has plenty of devices and price points to play games with.
It's already like that this gen where games will run on PS4 or Xbox One but are substantially better on the Pro and the X
It's these insiders that makes Era special...
Seriously, there is an actual dev in this thread, you should read his posts.
Sony will only have 2 devices to play next gen. Microsoft will have 2, one being lower priced. That's the point here.
we won't be beaten on power or price someone once said.
Console wars are so interesting.
Tflops don't matter but then they suddenly do matter. How does this calculus work?
If your console has more = it matters
Your console has less = it doesn't matter
Your console has more but there's a model that has significantly less = it sorta kinda doesn't matter I mean look at the Switch!
The narrative is flexible as ever depending how deeply rooted the personal bias is. But to simplify things, fuck console wars.
Tflops don't matter but then they suddenly do matter. How does this calculus work?
If your console has more = it matters
Your console has less = it doesn't matter
Your console has more but there's a model that has significantly less = it sorta kinda doesn't matter I mean look at the Switch!
The narrative is flexible as ever depending how deeply rooted the personal bias is. But to simplify things, fuck console wars.
yup I know not ideal, but you can just re render your 4k assets as 1080p, wont look as good, but will use way less ram
There are a couple honest truth in the look of next gen.
1. Microsoft has the most powerful console with Series X
2. Microsoft has the most affordable entry to next gen Lockhart
3. Sony has a lot of very good first party studios with the history to back it up
4. Microsoft has purchased a bunch of good studios but they need to put out games for it to matter
5. Multiplatform games will run best on Series X, but don't see a MAJOR difference
With all that till be like it always has been, the first party games and exclusives will still matter a ton. Microsoft going with a power device and a budget device is trying to have a wide appeal. IF they announce and release first party games that are on par with Sony they are setting themselves up to have a very successful gen, if not Sony will still reign supreme.
Pretty much all other discussion is silly at this point