I made no mention of VRS, just AMD's claims that how RDNA2 operates will result in a 50% performance increase based on how instructions are executed on this particular architecture vs GCN.
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WindowsCentral: Xbox rumor roundup: 'Xbox Series S' Lockhart, new Xbox headset, May event, and more
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I made no mention of VRS, just AMD's claims that how RDNA2 operates will result in a 50% performance increase based on how instructions are executed on this particular architecture vs GCN.
I have to imagine that the XSS will come with a smaller SSD. And they'll lean heavily on the use of a cheap external traditional HDD to store games you're not actively playing.
What, specifically, about the presumed specs of Series S would limit game design?
I can't see how the PS5 is coming out at leas than $500 with that Controller.
this Needs to be repeated.
I know there is a lot of people who will just use anything to fight the "war" but there isn't anything about this that will hold anything back.
If they really release a 600$ dollar console they're getting clapped next gen lol
Yup. They can give up on the console space if they come out at $600 to compete with PS5.
What multiplat games that come out will? What multiplat games that come out for the first few years be able to be played on the PS4?
Lockhart will be an affordable entry to next gen, something that PlayStation doesn't have.
I'd say 4Tflops RDNA2 would sit between 6-7 Tflops gcn, which by pairing them with much a more powerful cpu and super fast ssd would make the One X completely obsolete, since those 6-7 tflops have way resources available at 1080p against the aim for 4k of the One X
Imagine YEARS from now developers are still going to be required to have their games compatible with this console, yikes
Would CPU clock speeds matter in terms of game design? My one concern with Series S would be slower CPU clocks due to the lack of a more expensive cooling solution.
For example, if Series S CPU clocks are, say, running at 3.1 GHz with SMT and 3.4 GHz without (compared with 3.66 GHZ and 3.8 GHZ on the Series X respectively), would that be significant enough to affect some parameters involving game design and logic?
No way XSX is $599, I just cant fathom any platform going that route even if they have a cheap box to push next to it
Yes but again why would he be saying that MS doesnt plan on releasing any XSX exclusive games in 2019? The only logical assumption is that, if his statement reflects their plan, that there wont be any next gen exclusives until AT LEAST holiday 2021
Yes but again why would he be saying that MS doesnt plan on releasing any XSX exclusive games in 2019? The only logical assumption is that, if his statement reflects their plan, that there wont be any next gen exclusives until AT LEAST holiday 2021
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Compatible with Zen 2 cores, NVME SSDs, GDDR6 RAM, and RDNA 2 GPUs? In other words, all the same components powering the PS5 and Series X?
The RT part of that is just speculation, but I am not expecting the same level on a $300 box. It will be interesting if they just stop producing all of the One S and X consoles for these, as this might help the transition to next-gen go faster. Kind of like when they transitioned from the VCR Xbox One to the S. If that happens then I wonder if they do the 2 SKU approach again 4 years.
It's not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be lol. Like increasing the number of rays cast on account of more powerful hardware really isn't that difficult. The series S won't hold back Series X much at all.
And no, the Series S isn't weaker than the Xbox One X, like where do the lot of you get this shit from lol jfc.
And no, the Series S isn't weaker than the Xbox One X, like where do the lot of you get this shit from lol jfc.
If Halo Infinite is CPU bound on Xbox One X lockhart and Series X will run with more FPS.
The games releasing holiday 2021 or beyond. The interview was at X019 and published in 2020. But Booty talked in 2019 about supporting Xbox One for 1-2 years.
The post of the developer should be threadmarked.
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People like to concern troll when it comes to Microsoft sadly.
You have literal devs coming in saying it won't be much of a big deal as scalability has been a thing on PCs for decades and they are use to it.
As someone who is interested in the BC program from Microsoft, I would prefer get this than the already revealed Xbox One Series X. And even lower resolution, I could still play new gen games.
Hope it has a disc tho, but I can see it 100% digital too.
Hope it has a disc tho, but I can see it 100% digital too.
I think you're vastly overestimating the used game market and disc sharing.
In a recession, people will play more F2P games rather than relying on sharing physical discs or buying used games online. I feel like almost nobody who is still in school these days still relies on the used game market. I think the people who still do that tend to be people whose formative video game years were the PS360 era. The very biggest, most important games for kids these days are digital-only anyways.
I know lots of people who are swapping games, or buying used games for cheap.
In a recession being able to sell and buy used is huge.
I mean yeah, you can buy a game for $20 on sale, or you buy it used for $20 and then resell it for $20 bucks and game for free.
This needs to be repeated more for the sony fanboys that think lockhart will be holding back the XSX. Honestly i have had enough of fanboy spouting nonsense.
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I'm thinking we get an announcement for the day of the event this week or the latest May 1 with the event coming very soon after it's announced.
Pretty much. I read that and was like "are you effing kidding me?" There's no reason to have to do this. I swear to god if this is at all true they're going to have problems with people buying a Lockhart and then wonder why it doesn't look like they were told because they can't tell the difference at a glance on the shelf or in a listing. More than one SKU for a console launch is already not the best, but it being a performance difference is going to bite them in the ass if this isn't a well-planned move to try and make up loss differences with the XSX.
Also, good on them making a headset worth a damn that's not wired. That Xbox Stereo Headset was ridiculously overpriced for its performance and features. The build quality was also kind of shit.
It might but again depends on everything else. Is the SSD the same ? Is the memory bandwidth the same ?
If you think the "4TF" number magically means it's "weaker" than Xbox One X, you probably need a crash course on hardware performance.
Are TF all we compare hardware with? What about CPU, RAM, SSD? An developer already said game design won't be bottlenecked.
It depends on the marketing. I'm sure Microsoft will make it clear that the more expensive one runs it better. That and if someone can't even tell that a more expensive device will make things look better they probably aren't going to notice the difference that much anyways.
Yea $600 USD means $800 in CAD before taxes, which is a ridiculous amount to spend when their games will be on PC as well. I would just buy a PS5 and be done with it, I can play Halo Infinite on the PC no problem.
What a fucking joke if they target $599. It doesn't matter if they have Lockhart undercutting the PS5, it's massively behind the PS5 in performance.
Xbone to XoneX was a > 4.5 gap in performance with a different (a waaaaaay crapppier) architecture (DDR3 + ESRAM vs GDDR5).
This time the gap is a 3 times gap with the same architecture. I think devs will be a-ok
I'm buying an X, but this isn't a big deal. 1080p vs 4k. Devs have been scaling resolutions for years. They did it with PCs and they're currently doing it with the mid-gen refreshes.
I choose to be upset with YOU because you're not saying something I want to hear. ;)
I choose to be upset with YOU because you're not saying something I want to hear. ;)
Yeah pretty much. I am sure they have things planned. Its hard to extrapolate a lot from just its a 4 TFOPS machine. :)
Is there a developer consensus on Lockhart?
The early noises from Digital Foundry/Schreier were not great. Has the spec improved? IIRC there was a rumoured memory difference, which I think most would probably welcome if removed. Or will developer opinion on it simply vary?
The early noises from Digital Foundry/Schreier were not great. Has the spec improved? IIRC there was a rumoured memory difference, which I think most would probably welcome if removed. Or will developer opinion on it simply vary?
No, I'm actually looking at the feature sets. TF measurements haven't meant anything to me pretty much ever, just like the "bitness" of a console never mattered to me as a kid. The design won't be bottlenecked, sure, but not having certain features available will affect performance with certain acceleration features. If the OS is handling how a game is rendered before hitting hardware and then it spits out what it can, it will be helpful to the developers but there could end up being situations anyway where they didn't intend for a game targeted at the XSX will look notably different, not even just worse, on Lockhart. This isn't the PC space where the user turning things off is know to them (the user) and thus expected.
Many people will unfortunately continue to not understand this. People see the 4TF number, because TF matter when it is convenient.
The fact this needs to be repeated on a gaming forum is a sad sight.
The first few pages of this thread are a disgrace to actual genuine discussion and not very obvious concern trolling from the usual at this point desperate suspects.
Are you aware of how the same game can be played on different spec PCs? What do you think happens if you take a 4K game and reduce the resolution to 1080p?
Not that bold. Phil stated that they won't get beat on price and that he has the support of Nadella to do whatever he needs. With GPU as a viable revenue stream, I can see MS taking a hit per machine to push units. I think they have more flexibility with the Xbox business being one of many tent poles than Sony where PlayStation is their main revenue stream. Considering the global economic situation, and as recent rumors suggest, they're not in a good position to take in massive losses.
Both machines will be $499.
Timing is key (aka sucks) with our posts! I just mentioned this.