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WindowsCentral: Xbox rumor roundup: 'Xbox Series S' Lockhart, new Xbox headset, May event, and more
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Well the target resolution is going to be alot lower therefore the GPU needed to push is lower. It's not like the Lockhart will be shooting for 4k 60 on new games. 1080p will probably be where it fits which is just fine for what it is.
This will be better in every way than Xbox One X if the rumors are to be believed
Yep lots of people still have 1080p tv sets. Now they will get supersampling as well for games that run over 1080p.
The one they released 6 years into the gen? Probably better than we think.
Please explain how the market would be fragmented?
significantly better. Please stop thinking only in teraflops and consider the improvements everywhere else.
Just put this baby on the market. I predict it will do gangbusters and sell like hotcakes. Let the market decide if they want a cheaper affordable next gen console. Lets goooo! haha
As a dev would you not need to support 2x"next gen" platforms from day 1? Typical is to support 1 platform from day 1 assuming it's not cross gen.
Offtopic, but your avatar cracked me up for like 10 minutes straight 😂
I guess it depends on what threads you're reading the ones I've seen have said; Tflops don't matter, 10 vs 12 is barely a difference and SSDs are going to provide the meaningful difference.
Some of y'all are acting like you're gonna be forced at gunpoint to play the Lockhart versions of games and not on your fancy expensive $499 consoles XD
Besides, even at 4TF with an SSD, Lockhart it will be a ridiculous improvement over the One X.
Besides, even at 4TF with an SSD, Lockhart it will be a ridiculous improvement over the One X.
Of course it will limit games. It will limit them to 1080p most likely. Expected based on the TF difference.
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It's 9 TF vs. 12 TF which is a huge downgrade.
Were the PS5 a 1080p machine, I would be less concerned. Unfortunately it isn't.
There's a difference between porting a game four years after the fact (and making significant sacrifices to do it) and developing with a baseline spec in mind. If the Switch as it is today existed in 2015 and CDPR built the game with Switch's limitations into consideration from the get-go, you don't think that the end product would have been different?
Hey, this is all rumor. If developers will be allowed to build games for the XSX and then hand off Lockhart ports years later to other studios so they can hack and slash something until it works, I'm perfectly fine with that. Lockhart existing is only a problem if developers are required to support it day-and-date with XSX/PS5.
MS's true battle will be convincing casuals that Lockhart running 1080p with 4TF will be better than XB1X running 4K with 6TF. Obviously an informed consumer sees the difference, but will Joe Bro
On top of this, good points btw, it's important to understand MS isn't dumb, by all accounts has their shit together with excellent leadership and talented teams. If this is a thing, it WILL work as advertised.
Just like 10 to 12 TF is huge but 4 TF is perfectly fine and scales perfectly
This whole argument was dumb. The difference between 12TF and 10TF is 1800p/checkerboard 4k vs 2160p/native 4k. That's a minor difference. If Series S has similar components to the Series X outside of the GPU then it limits nothing. It's just 1080p vs 4k at that point. It only becomes a problem if the other components are vastly inferior to what's in the Series X.
The ones I've seen claim the PS5 had all kinds of bottlenecks and can't even hit 10.3 most of the time. They also claim SSD means nothing for game dev besides load times which isn't true.
Do you not understand that Lockhart would be a 1080p system?
10TF really isn't a huge downgrade.
But all of this is relative to your targets. If you design a game 10TF baseline, the 12TF machine is going to have room for bells and whistles. If you take that same game and reduce its resolution by 75%, 4TF is going to be more than enough.
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Lol, you proved my point perfectly. Standards shift for you guys when it's Xbox.
We'll see... and how that pans out. Sounds like a pointless strategy.
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Ok, none was a bit strong. We've already seen Minecraft running with path tracing on the XSX as well. For most games, ray tracing usage will be limited to tertiary features.
Both are stupid statements. Me, personally, never said anything about the 10 vs 12 diff.
Are you sure haven't seen any of the posts I mentioned also?
Not sure how PS5 bottlenecks relate to Series S at all, but I'd be pretty surprised if you've ever actually seen anyone claim 'ssd means nothing for game devs'. I'm almost certain you're embellishing.
A pointless strategy when so many people still own 1080p screens? What?
Games are built on higher end hardware then downscaled. That's how most developpers do.
Why would the product be different if they could downport it to Switch ? In fact, how do you explain you can make it run on Itel HD GPUs by downgrading visuals but not the game design and such ? It can run on a GPD Win 2 at 480~540p and the GPU is a lot more than 4 times slower than Xbox One.
People are throwing the word baseline without making any sense. A baseline isn't only a target hardware spec. It's also a visual baseline. Say the baseline is PS5, at 4k/30fps. What does it mean ? That you can downscale to 1080p/30fps for hardware 3 times slower and keep the same performance.
The difference here is that 10 and 12 TF are targeting the same resolutions, whereas the 4TF one is targeting a resolution 4 times lower.
And also, very likely the 4TF one is not overclocked to a point where performance scaling gets affected, so we should get a more linear tflop/resolution performance scaling too.
So much concern on the first page. Xbox Series S sounds like it will offer the exact same next gen experience, but at a lower resolution.
If Xbox Series S can render 720p or 900p, that can easily be scaled up by machine learning, like DLSS, to 1080p and 1440p.
If Xbox Series S can render 720p or 900p, that can easily be scaled up by machine learning, like DLSS, to 1080p and 1440p.
No, because scalability magic and something something 299$ make up for 8 TFlops difference.