Well lemme put it this way when people and I guess casuals look back at the history of playstation, Ps3 isn't looked at in a good light. In fact, Ps3 is the example used in conversation as Sony's misstep in the console market. Even though it came in 2nd in the 7th generation, do you really think mS looks at the 360 as unsuccessful?
That's perception though not objective reality, and MS came in 3rd in the 7th gen. As "casual" players actually brought more Wii's and PS3's individually over the 360.
Perception is what sells though, as the Ps4 from announcement was perceived by the masses as the more promising console of the generation. And I'd say Ps4 definitely delivered on that promise.
MS has never sold more than the Sony machine though, yet you argue the perception is MS sold more 7th gen because the Wii does not exist and the final numbers of the PS3 can be ignored as well.
I can't help but feel like you have a hostile undertone in your post. My argument is that the perception is that the 360 was a massive success and established mS as significant player in the console market for the foreseeable future.
I will when the numbers come out showing Xbox360 did sell more.
also, i don't know how much this matters but Ps3's 87m figure is shipped, and 360's 84m figure is sold
Yeah that's real as because of obfuscation of numbers we don't know. We do know Wii existed and did sell more boxes for the 7th gen though.
No you've literally stated perceptions is what sells, so why did this in fact not happen? Assuming MS won the perception war of the 7th gen by ignoring end of gen and Wii as a competitor.
I followed up with my comment on perception by talking about the Ps4, not the Wii. I don't know why you keep bringing the Wii up here because that was the undisputed king of the 7th generation, I don't think anyone can deny that. I also conceded that mS may not be happy with Xbone's performance this generation and that for me personally the performance was not bad at all.
I doubt it too.
Probably because I thought we were discussing the current gen, and you decided to start talking about 7th gen and the perception of MS dominance during that gen in order to prove a irrelevant point about if MS saw the Xbox360 as a success and a weird primacy on "perception".
So you're admitting then that you're purposely having this convsersation with a hostile attitude. You're intentionally being unfriendly, making this personal even though I didn't show you any disrespect. And if you can't have a conversation with mutual respect then the conversation's over. And like I mentioned before, it's pretty much impossible to talk about one generation without bringing up the others - you have too when you said mS never outsold Sony - and the 7th gen has been talked about since the beginning of the thread
That's on MS to provide, they don't just get the benefit of the doubt, all we have is a higher figure for PS3, so until we get something saying otherwise, 360 will go down as a close 3rd.
Sony aren't purely console/hardware focused. Their main focus is PSN, it makes by far the most money for them (I think it makes more than Nintendo and Xbox combined even), a big reason why is they have massive reach through their hardware sales, but their focus is still PSN above all.
Meanwhile you don't even need a console with Stadia, you can just go buy the games and play. But of course people still claim it's dead on arrival. It's really fascinating to listen to the concerns.
They are both focused on console as much as each other, hell MS you can argue more so give the X, S, SAD and next gen consoles. Sony just aren't going out of their garden, but their focus is the same, grow their service.
are they ?
is it a trend now ?
That doesnt change the fact that both finished extremely close.
Fortunately the world is more than "a lot of countries" and internet won't stay bad and unstable for long when Google, MS, Sony and more companies enter the cloud era. The snowball will start rolling. It is the future, no doubt.
I mean the last official number we have says that the PS3 sold more. Despite the 360 being on the market for a year longer. It doesn't make much sense to me to say that they tied.
I've stated in this thread that I do not believe the Xbone is a complete and total failure. It's not selling as well as the Ps4, but the gap between that and Xbone is smaller than the gap between Ps2 and Xbox1. I think there is enough traction for mS to bounce back, just like they did with Xbox1 to 360.
They don't need to be in every household. Consoles aren't in every household today. Cloud gaming will be huge, eventually, even if some no doubt are just as unfortunate as you.
I mean by that definition PS3 was also a failure. 155 million PS2's vs 86 million PS3's.
