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WindowsCentral: Cyberpunk 2077 is proof Halo Infinite should skip the Xbox One
- Thread starter Theorry
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I think Dying Light 2 will quietly shift for current gen only whenever it appears again.
I feel like we see this every generation. Destiny 1 and Dragon Age Inquisition on Xbox 360 were awful too. Cross-gen versions of highly anticipated games are kind of a necessity because of install base but it's super unfortunate for the games themselves to be technically compromised
In Halo 2 you could travel more than 300 yards without hitting a Loading Screen. It deserves a good deal of credit for its scale, at a time when PC shooters still had an insanely linear focus.
I don't really agree with the premise of the OP as I'm pretty certain it is a Cyberpunk specific problem. I don't think I've seen any PS4 or XBO game that performs as badly as that game does- ever. More ambitious stuff from other developers turned out fine on those systems.
However, IF the premise is "release something on XBO that plays as badly as Cyberpunk does" or cancel it outright and make it next gen only, I am absolutely in favor of canceling it for last gen. Cyberpunk as it exists on those systems is borderline unplayable, and you're only ripping off people who are paying money expecting something competent.
I agree. If MS really feels the need for it to be playable on Xbox One, they can attempt to save face by putting Halo Infinite on xCloud and making xCloud available on the Xbox One, thereby making it available on the platform (sort of). This is the best approach at this point. We shouldn't be getting new cross-get games late next year. It's absurd.
Do you think a really significant upgrade can be done to the XSX version in the year that they have if they drop XB1 or do you just think the XB1 version will run badly? Or both?
Halo Infinite was presumably made with the original XBONE's as a baseline.
Halo Infinite is also probably-definitely going to be a lot less complicated than Cyberpunk, on a technical level. It's not like there are going to be tons of NPCs, super dense city areas, or anything else all that crazy.
Halo Infinite is also probably-definitely going to be a lot less complicated than Cyberpunk, on a technical level. It's not like there are going to be tons of NPCs, super dense city areas, or anything else all that crazy.
Maybe Halo Infinite should just be next-gen but why is Cyberpunk the proof of that? It's like people forget about the mess that was The Witcher 3 at launch.
The thing that is the most concerning is that if it's intended to be a platform for future Halo content then at least for a fair while it's going to be held back in scale and development/optimisation made significantly more onerous by having to always work on last gen versions of every content pack Instead is simply designing them exclusively for the Xbox Series consoles.
Issue is also partly from having to develop for multiple SKUs!!
Dictator do you know when to expect console analysis from DF to start popping up?
I'm just trying to imagine what a Halo 3 developed for both base Xbox and the 360 would have looked like. The reality is, halo 3 would have been a worse game if it was forced to be cross gen. Apply the same thing to infinite. Are those like 1000 people that are playing a new halo on old hardware really going to bring that much money that they don't even try to bring a next gen experience? I guess so. Fucking stupid.
Everyone smart enough knew this from the beginning, Xbox One and even the Series S will hold back the Xbox pipeline, the sooner theyre gone the better.
I don't think you'll ever see that happen, as they promised there would be no Xbox One X only games, didn't they? And aren't there a lot more One S and base Ones than One X's out in the wild? Doesn't really seem like it would be worth it at that point.
Huh halo 1 was an unbelievable technical achievement on og xbox. I 'm shocked that you wouldn't think this?
Which is why I think its a problem specific to cyberpunk. More ambitious games from other developers (RDR2) that targeted only PS4/XBO/PC didn't have these issues. Halo infinite should be fine.
When your nephew was buying the Xbox One console they he knew it was for a generation until it would stop being supported. So a port should be the best thing for him. Otherwise he may end up with an unplayable game just like Cyberpunk is turning out to be on the Xbox One!!
The Halo games always aged really well, that's a combination of good art and ahead-of-the-curve lighting systems. Still at the end of the day, every Halo game besides Halo 5 has had split-screen co-op with huge levels, big draw distances, and dozens of enemies running around. They never really had the overhead to push the little micro details beyond other games of the time.
That's why it makes sense to me to have Halo Infinite be supported on the Xbox One, at least for a couple years until future expansions really stretch their legs as their plan is to have this be a platform like Destiny.
The base game was designed for these consoles. Unlike Cyberpunk which was targeting PCs with tons of fast RAM and storage and simply wanted to be playable on these consoles at "30ish" fps with minimum settings and low resolution.
And Halo 4 was one of the best looking games in the 360/PS3 gen
I don't think so. People need to realize that Infinite has been developed for the Xbox One from the get go and its only been in the last couple of years that Xbox Series version was announced. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Infinite at one point was One exclusive until the announcement of the Xbox Series consoles. I'm pretty confident that because of this fact that Infinite is, and will be, far more optimized for the regular Xbox One than Cyberpunk 2077 is.
Also important to point out that RDR2 didn't launch simultaneously with their PC version. If 343 don't stretch themselves beyond what they can handle Infinite will be fine across all platforms.
They were building for one generation of consoles in your example. So another perspective is PC cards like RTX 2080 Ti's were being held back by game designs for consoles. I'm sure CyberPunk 2077 would have been much better on last gen if there was no Series X and PS5. Imagine having to develop for PS5, Series X, PC, Xbox One, Xbox One X, PS4 PS4 pro. They most likely built it for a top spec PC card(2060 and above) and then downscaled it to PS4 and Xbox One. Thats why the performance is so bad on those systems.
Ah, so they dug their own grave. No matter which way they turn, there will be never ending salt.
RIP Microsoft
Being completely disingenuous and ignoring the fact that a GTX 1060 and SATA SSD literally falcon punches the Xbox One into dust, sure.
We're not disagreeing here. Cyberpunk was obviously built to run on high end PCs and next gen systems, with the PS4/XBO last gen versions done as an afterthought.
Halo infinite will likely be built to run on an XBO, with additional effects and features on XSS and XSX/PC. It won't look as pretty as a game designed for next gen, but the vast majority of people interested in playing that game won't be on next gen yet. Infinite will be fine. I don't expect it to knock anybody's socks off, but it will be solid and playable. The comparison to Cyberpunk is likely off base.
The problem with Cyberpunk is that it is still rushed out the door and with too many simultaneous versions. It's clear they really only had time to service the PC version somewhat reasonably for launch (and even that has issues that must be ironed out). All others are half-baked. While it is an indicator that launching on multiple consoles and the aging hardware of last gen poses a setback, I doubt Microsoft would make the same mistake there. But of course it's hard to say how much last gen would hold back the game at this point.
Brutal lmao.
I think everyone predicted this would be the case, but it's really Far Cry 3 all over again. Thank goodness I have the One X to play my copy semi-stable this year, and it actually is kind of impressive that both next gen consoles are hitting 60fps in BC.
I don't think Halo would scale nearly as poorly, am like Destiny 2 they will eventually release content that is next gen only.
The game already had the og xb1 as the baseline, if they want to push the XSX more, I can see they capping the single player at 30 fps or something, but cancelling it at this point is a bad move.
I don't blame you there, for not having those expectations. I don't have high expectations for Infinite being a graphical showpiece either, but to say Halo was never a graphical showpiece was incorrect.
In fact, I'd rather Halo focus more on its art design and clean visuals rather than focusing on overly detailed and busy designs to meet the expectation of graphical showpiece games. I'm glad tho with Infinite they seem to be striking a good balance so far.
We can't really know that considering we know next to nothing about this game.
I guess people are forgetting that Xbox One S/PS4 are both lower than 2 TFLOPs, while Series X/PS5 are 10+ TFLOPs and the chances are low that a lot of effort will be put into making sure that a game will look fantastic on One S/PS4.
I'm playing it for the first time right now in the MCC at 120hz. It's beautiful, linear or not. When I think PS3/360 era cutting edge graphics, I rarely find myself thinking about open world titles. Rather stuff like Uncharted 2, God of War, Gears 3, RE5, spring to mind over whatever GTA or AC were doing.
If it was possible, keep the one x but stop with base xbox one but it will never happen. But hey they want that for money and reach a maximum of players.
Halo should run better anyway.
Halo should run better anyway.
Do you reckon it will be 249 next holiday? Very cheap yeah, will probably sell a lot if timed with infinites release.
I just remembered that they said prices may not drop as fast or much as before.
But the perceived value would be adjusted. If you bought a console 5 years ago and there is a new entry at $249-300 that may entice people to join.
Does that level of crowd density ever appear, on any platform? Because the second I saw it I thought "yeah, that's classic pre-release overpromising right there".
Isn't it interesting how when 343i showed of Infinite in July many warriors attacked 343i for being misleading, yet CDPR gets a major defense force instead for purposefully hiding this?