You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if this last 3 week delay was because this game straight up got rejected from console cert, so they couldn't make their original desired release date of Nov 19
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WindowsCentral: Cyberpunk 2077 is proof Halo Infinite should skip the Xbox One
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You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if this last 3 week delay was because this game straight up got rejected from console cert, so they couldn't make their original desired release date of Nov 19
You want to elaborate on that point? You might answer your own question.
Eh.. kinda.
CP has PS consoles to develop for as well, which adds more complication.
Halo has just Xbox One consoles and Series consoles (and PC).
While I would rather they develop for the newer machines almost exclusively sooner, I also wonder if it would be as much of an issue porting to multiple xbox consoles. That and also feel for the people who can't get their hold on the console either down to stock issues or simply lacking the funds.
I also imagine they've already done so much work towards X1 versions as it is, they won't drop them now.
CP has PS consoles to develop for as well, which adds more complication.
Halo has just Xbox One consoles and Series consoles (and PC).
While I would rather they develop for the newer machines almost exclusively sooner, I also wonder if it would be as much of an issue porting to multiple xbox consoles. That and also feel for the people who can't get their hold on the console either down to stock issues or simply lacking the funds.
I also imagine they've already done so much work towards X1 versions as it is, they won't drop them now.
This is probably a really naive comment but systems at play in Halo and what they are trying to do seem easier to scale. Like amount of enemies, draw distance, LOD quality, lighting and such.
PC players will have much slower storage I/O and, statistically, are most likely to be playing on hardware in the ballpark of a GTX 1060. By your definition, it's holding the game back and needs to be cancelled.
The thing is, even if they don't drop XB1 now they will have to eventually. Not long after release I'd wager, maybe by end of 2022. If Infinite is supposed to be a 10 year platform with constantly adding new campaigns and whatnot, they have to stop support XB1 at some point.
To me it makes sense to rip off the band aid now. By then most Xbox gamers will have a Series S or X, and if they don't, xcloud will also work on XB1 consoles by then and they can play Infinite that way (if their connection allows it). Just take the PR hit... I mean, when is their PR not being hit, just business as usual. I think you'd have an equal amount of people celebrating the final death of XB1.
To me it makes sense to rip off the band aid now. By then most Xbox gamers will have a Series S or X, and if they don't, xcloud will also work on XB1 consoles by then and they can play Infinite that way (if their connection allows it). Just take the PR hit... I mean, when is their PR not being hit, just business as usual. I think you'd have an equal amount of people celebrating the final death of XB1.
They can publish a minimum specs list for PC and handwave away anybody below those specs having issues. With the XBO, it's all or nothing.
Not even sure why I'm engaging with this bad faith argument
Even if supply is unlimited for both consoles next year they're not gonna sell 40M or 100M units in any case, and people who bought a One X with the promise of Halo being there expect it to be there.
So I think is a question of PR but also of money and of delivering on the promise to your customers. I don't see any positive of Halo skipping current gen consoles for MS.
Oh, I'm not reading anything into him claiming it's the best halo ever or whatever, but I see no reason to think he's lying about the entire campaign having been playable months ago, and if so, I see no reason to think campaign wouldn't work totally fine on Xbox One. Again, this game started life there. Cyberpunk *clearly* didn't.
No...fuck you with this elitist shit some gamers are displaying. Not everyone has the newest systems.
My nephew can't afford a series x/s right now but is really hyped for the new halo and will play it on his xbox one. I bet there are many people like him....
My nephew can't afford a series x/s right now but is really hyped for the new halo and will play it on his xbox one. I bet there are many people like him....
This is what I was thinking. Let multiplayer be cross gen (it's F2P so there's no need to worry about how much that would cost on it's own), then let the campaign be next gen / PC only native while Xbox One users can still play it via xCloud. It's not a perfect compromise (for example not everyone has bandwidth or access to internet speeds that xCloud needs), but it might result in a better experience overall.
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I was ok with it until it was revealed that infinite is the "next 10 years of halo." I see how adaptable the engine is since 343 can't stop gushing about how easy it is to update and create new assets within the game, which will undoubtedly come in handy for a game with a lengthy planned life cycle. Either way, how long can you ACTUALLY do that whilst supporting old crappy Jaguar cores at the same time. I mean, if they're gonna just straight up say at some point, "hey we see you like playing infinite on your og xbone. We thank you for playing, you can continue doing so with the content you have an most new multiplayer related map packs, but to download this newest campaign expansion you need a series s or x."
I'm not sure it's a good example for Halo.
Halo Infinite seems like a game designed with Xbox One and PS4 in mind and ported forward to the new consoles.
Cyberpunk 2077 seems like a game designed with Xbox Series X and PS5 in mind and ported backwards to the old consoles.
Halo Infinite seems like a game designed with Xbox One and PS4 in mind and ported forward to the new consoles.
Cyberpunk 2077 seems like a game designed with Xbox Series X and PS5 in mind and ported backwards to the old consoles.
Yeah, I just bought an Xbox One X last year assuming that it would run Infinite just fine. That's partially why I jumped on PS5 first, despite being very attracted to the Game Pass value proposition. Wouldn't be too thrilled about this move. And I imagine I'm not alone with that sentiment.
I have no doubt that the last two delays were due to the base consoles.
last time I checked for a sales breakdown for crossgen games, it wasn't impressive at all. Sports games like Fifa and NBA being cross gen for one or two years makes sense but I really want to see a breakdown of sales next year for games like Horizon 2 and Halo Infinite. Based off past figures I don't think it will be impressive in terms of xbox one and ps4 sales. The issue for most gamers is there's a trend to prolong the transition period at the expense of the software.
Also from a computer architecture perspective if there's any generation where the transition needs to be shorter its definitely this one. SSDs and zen 2 multicore CPUs with SMT is such a huge improvement. And the GPUs are beasts, theres no reason why they dont simply make ports for last gen.
If I simply wanted to play the same games at higher frame rates I'd buy a PC. But generally console gamers now want 4k at 30-60 and 120 in certain games with true next gen graphics. Very different market than PCs where framerates are the most important thing.
Tbh I'm not surprised PS5 is currently outperforming the Series X in terms of performance despite having the weaker APU. The idea they are asking devs to build for multiple SKUs just sounds like a PC move and its backfired so far. Sony is simply asking devs to develop for one SKU. I bet most third party devs will simply make the PS5 the platform of choice for development. This is why Halo Infinite should be a next gen game first then maybe they make a port for Xbox One players.
I think an in-house, first party effort is much different than a 3rd party, get the game on everything effort. You can't even compare. Also..
I think the delay was less about base consoles than the enormous amount of bugs within the game. It's like peeling an opinion. Find one bug and fix it, create three more.
I think the delay was less about base consoles than the enormous amount of bugs within the game. It's like peeling an opinion. Find one bug and fix it, create three more.
What is the breakdown of those console sales? Cross gen sales are not as impressive as people make them out to be!
No I meant the breakdown of the console sales. Like PS4, Xbox One, Xbox Series X, PS5, etc. When I looked at cross gen sales on last gen(PS4 and Xbox One) they were generally not impressive at all!
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Halo 3 really pushed lighting. I'll go to bat for it any day as a graphical showpiece. Sure, it didn't push a lot of other aspects forwards, but their lighting was incredible for the time and was genuinely some cutting edge stuff. I think the only mainline game that isn't really a technical showcase at least in some regards, are Reach and 5.
The original Halo was and so was Halo 4!! Halo 4 even had some better gun effects than what was shown in the Halo Infinite demo!!
Marketing dances a fine line at the best of times in this industry. Tell people they now getting one part of the game after the fact would be a marketing nightmare.
There isn't next gen version to buy, only last gen.
I can't see what's your point.
It's a double edged sword though. Were there no last-gen versions of the game, the current-gen versions would be better for it, not just graphically and technically, but the studio would have had far more time, manpower and resources to put towards the game in terms of more content, fewer bugs, higher levels of polish etc.
So yes, your nephew couldn't afford it right away if it was current-gen only, but at least eventually when he did buy a new system/GPU etc, he'd have a better version of the game to enjoy than what we have now in this cross-gen version, not to mention it'd be cheaper for him too.
TLDR, cross-gen means everyone gets a worse version of the game than if it were current-gen only.
I mean, the game has already been a marketing nightmare. Delays, subpar reveals, missed console launch.
Cutting off the cross-gen promise would just be another slap in the face.
A better article title would have been "Cyberpunk 2077 is proof that people need to remove CD Projekt Red from the pedestal they've been placed on"
I feel you on Halo 3, it's just that game received so much backlash for things like faces, anti aliasing, etc., so I never really consider it in that convo. You do have a point though.
With Halo 5, the dynamic res and 60fps campaign was a big deal for Halo, at least. Not many 60fps games that can match Halo's more open sandbox and has 4p co-op at that time, at least not on console IIRC.
We arnt talking about a 1060 and HDD, we are talking about an 8 year old Jaguar CPU and an a very old 1.2 TF GPU AND a HDD.
Plus the customisation in the PC space means you can aim wherever you want and let the players decide if they have the hardware and what settings to run at.
Sometimes you just fly too close to the sun with a project.
It's clear the last gen consoles just aren't capable of running Cyberpunk 2077 and that's just sometimes the case. It is what it is. It's ambitious to even attempt it but, ultimately, not every piece of hardware will run every single game.
Does that mean Halo Infinite should skip XB1? Absolutely not, because it's a different project from a different studio.
There's plenty of examples of good last gen versions of games with much better next gen versions - Miles Morales immediately coming to mind.
It's clear the last gen consoles just aren't capable of running Cyberpunk 2077 and that's just sometimes the case. It is what it is. It's ambitious to even attempt it but, ultimately, not every piece of hardware will run every single game.
Does that mean Halo Infinite should skip XB1? Absolutely not, because it's a different project from a different studio.
There's plenty of examples of good last gen versions of games with much better next gen versions - Miles Morales immediately coming to mind.
That's bullshit.
Halo 1 and 2 were incredible for their time, best in class, really.
Halo 4 also did stuff that no one thought the 360 was able to do at that point of it's lifetime.
hey man i am right there with you. i have my one x and i still feel like there's a lot of life left in it. irregardless, 343i should not renege on their original promise of producing a crossgen title.
lots of folks on ERA seem to be very unaware that circumstances exist beyond their own financial bubble.
Halo 4 also had alot of flat textures, was extremily linear, had downgraded explosions/debris, ect.
I don't know, when I think Halo, I never expect best in class graphics. But then again I guess I was in the minority by thinking the Infinite demo looked fine.
Either way, it's not like they were ever going to push the game graphically to a point that it makes it unrealistic to scale to the base consoles.
Hold on, heading over to the MH:Rise thread to ask if it's coming out on PS5.
