It doesn't create miracles though.
If Xbox did this it would mean PS5 is going to slaughter them when it comes to how much more advanced and better looking their exclusives are.
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It doesn't create miracles though.
If Xbox did this it would mean PS5 is going to slaughter them when it comes to how much more advanced and better looking their exclusives are.
I feel like there is more to game desing than just resolution and fps though, going from yakuza 0 which is a ps3 remaster then yakuza 6 is a pretty big step up. I thought Yakuza 0 looked great fro a ps3 remaster but when i went to 6 which was built for the ps4 it was a huge step up in immersion due to small things like not having as many loading screen for a more seamless world or just having more physics added to the world which make it more lifelike,
you realize game development happens on PC right? A lot of people need to start changing their thinking on game development actually works, they don't focus on a specific console, they build games with high textures, frames per second, ray tracing, etc and then optimize it for a console. The POWER matters, not just being focused on one console. Development tools are much better now that a game can just scale down to work on lower end hardware, until we reach an inflection point where lower end hardware is no longer a tangible solution for new gaming tech.
On Xbox at least this is the case for certain. You buy a game it will run on a variety of Xbox consoles and scale to the hardware accordingly.
Yeah, looking at it now it seems to be two separate statements. "No exclusives at launch" and then "Cross Gen games will exist for a few years as is the norm."
They had to limit the speed you can webswing... It's not just about scaling the graphics, it has direct impact on the gameplay design.
I know exactly how game development works. Like I said, I would not want PS4 to be taken into consideration when they are developing God of War 2 or Spider-Man 2. And luckily it won't be as I don't see Sony following this same path.
Spider-Man 2 being playable on PS4 era hardware would have no ill effect on the game. They are already showing you the improvements that can and are being made.
And I'm not really sure what to make about your last comment. Plenty of games have really good graphics and can scale to a large range of hardware.
What it means is devs will be handcuffed having to design and make games run on seven-year-old hardware.
I already edited that. It happened this gen.
Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, and Rise of the Tomb Raider were intended for XB1 with down ports.
Anything still in dev is probably launching in XB1 for Game Pass. Anything new started will be exclusive to Scarlett.
There are ideas they won't be able to do if they have to get it on X1.
I believe Shadow of Mordor, for example, couldn't get the Nemesis system going on PS360 (or it was at least significantly hampered).
Regardless, I still think not having a big game that is developed solely for next gen hardware is a mistake. A game like that would blow current gen out of the water (taking into account certain factors but yeah).
I think this is false the more I think about it.
There's no 360 version because the game is impossible to scale or because the development tools and process are completely changed from 360 to xbone?
Wonder if this potentially refers to streaming or actual native console play. Many games coming out lately are really struggling on the S so to think a new generation would still have to run games on the S feels somewhat concerning. Particularly given the CPU leap we're expecting.
They'll try to hold back development as much as they can but there's only so much you can do. 3rd party games on ps5 that are willing to shoot for parody will be at a big disadvantage in thr market to ones that don't.
It didn't though. The only cross gen MS game was FH2. Forza 5, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Dead Rising 3, etc were all exclusive. Same goes for Xbox->360
Right, game was still fun right?
A version can be made that will take advantage of a faster streaming world, while the PS4 version still exists.
I could understand this happening for maybe the first 12 months of Scarlett's lifespan. That's kinda how it is for most console generation transitions anyway. Current-gen had almost no current-gen-exclusive AAA games throughout 2014. The first third party one was Assassin's Creed Unity which came out in fall 2014.
Throughout 2021 you're probably gonna see near zero PS5/Scarlett-exclusive games. Sony's first-party games will probably be almost the only ones. And if things go as some suspect, cross-gen games aren't even gonna be multiple SKUs -- you're gonna buy the game once and it's just gonna run at different specs depending on the generation of hardware you have.
Next-gen transition is gonna feel more like a soft launch than ever before.
Throughout 2021 you're probably gonna see near zero PS5/Scarlett-exclusive games. Sony's first-party games will probably be almost the only ones. And if things go as some suspect, cross-gen games aren't even gonna be multiple SKUs -- you're gonna buy the game once and it's just gonna run at different specs depending on the generation of hardware you have.
Next-gen transition is gonna feel more like a soft launch than ever before.
That makes no sense. Current gen games are struggling super hard on base xbox one. How are they gonna get more demanding games working on that dud.
That's 3 games.
Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Ryse, Dead Rising, Sunset Overdrive were all nextgen exclusive and released in the first year of Xbox One.
I think there'll be a lot of overlap initially but there has to be some showcases for the new gen, especially for anaconda. Going for high performance just almost for its own sake doesn't make much sense imo, and would be a mistake - it needs showcases.
NO IT DOESN'T
game development happens on high end hardware first, why do you think Scorpio SDKs were shipped with higher specs than Xbox One X. MS has built development tools that makes it easy to scale down games.
This year, Sony sold 34% more PS4 than Microsoft sold Xbox One. And again, I think Xbox One S count for the majority of Xbox One sales. We don't have any numbers for Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro sales (except in Japan), but I doubt they would be profitable without new consumers and each year, it's harder to attract new consumers.
There is four possibilities for a consumer about next-gen:
- He already owns a Xbox One (S or X).
- He already owns a gaming PC.
- He already owns a PlayStation 4.
- He don't own any old gen console (or only Switch).
In case 3, he has many reasons to buy a PlayStation 5 and no real reason to buy a Xbox (2020). He has interest for Xbox exclusives? He can buy a Xbox One for half the price. It's the same for case 4.
You will maybe say "for Microsoft, it's the same thing if people buy Xbox One or Xbox (2020)", but it's absolutely not true. Publishers won't support current-gen forever. One day, they will stop to make games for Xbox One/PlayStation and consumers who buy a Xbox One and not a Xbox (2020) would be lost for Microsoft, because they won't be able to buy new games, so services will be less interesting for them, unless they buy a all new console.
No, it didn't happen with Xbox One. It had launch exclusives like Forza 5 and Ryse.
Now this reminds me Shadow of Mordor. It has compromise not only in graphics but also gameplay (simplified Nemesis system) on PS3/X360 compare to current gen. Can it be that X1 cross gen games will have simplified gameplay system compare to whatever next Xbox is?
What happen this gen ?
XB1 had DR3 ,RYSE that could only be played on XB1 .
I'd imagine the difference between the X and scarlett won't be massive so I guess it makes sense with MS's strategy and not wanting to upset X adopters.
Not sure what that means for Xbox One S games, would be nice/interesting if MS removed their clause that every X game must be on One.
Not sure what that means for Xbox One S games, would be nice/interesting if MS removed their clause that every X game must be on One.
Well one more reason to not get Scarlet. But to be honest I don't expect much more from PS5 first 2 years. They probably put out Horizon Zero Dawn 2 at launch but then it will be a long wait for GoW2, Spiderman 2 etc. and they will bank on backward compatibility/ports... Worked for Switch and it sucked there, too.
no there won't, there will be NEW games thats run on Scarlett with all the high end capabilities like 60 FPS/4K/Ray Tracing that will give a noticeable difference to to current gen but that doesn't mean those games can't scale down to lower end hardware like Xbox One S/X
Why is this so hard to understand? When you play Apex Legends, you can have it running on the highest spec PC with an insane FPS and max resolution but it always works just fine with lower specs on a pc with a single gtx 1050.
How is a developer supposed to develop a game taking advantage of an ultra fast SSD (for example) and then have it magically scale down to a system running a 5200rpm hard drive?
Yep, gonna be a fun ride to watch Horizon 2 and Fable 4 comparisions if this happens.
But hey gonna be a Xbox One S game running @8K@144FPS@ Anaconda so who cares right ?!
People buy next gen hardware, among other many other aspects, because they want to play games that can be scaled down.
They want bigger, better, more complex, more detailed, worlds.
And thats why everyone here is saying its a odd decision.
Pushing no exclusives for a few years means you wont have this kind of games on Scarlet devices, at least not from MS 1P games and this is disapointing for many.
Are people saying this happens every gen serious? Both Xbox One and PS4 got exclusive games in their first couple of years.
Well if there is it makes the console incredibly unappealing, at least initially.
Around the 3 year mark of the scarlett family lifecycle it might be worth it, but at launch, if you're right, this is basically an Xbox One X Pro until that point.
Probably will just wait for whatever the mid gen upgrade is then, just like I did this gen. I don't use my X for anything but BC and the occasional console exclusive so this doesn't really bother me.
with development tools, how do you think this works with PCs an games with multiple configurations.
I doubt that developers will make 2 different gameplay designs. There will absolutely be PS5 exclusives, Sony has said they want a fast transition to PS5 and that is only achieved by making desirable games only available on the new console.
Then Microsoft is going with a PC like solution for next gen. With all the talk of first party devs being given a bunch freedom, it would be weird if devs were now restricted to the XB1.
Do we know if all first party games are coming to PC? If so then yeah, all current projects could probably launch on XB1 with tweaks.