Hey you'll get 60 frames per second while playing your last gen games on your next gen system.
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Windows Central: "At launch, we've heard there won't be any "Xbox Scarlett"-exclusive games. For at least a few years (cont-)" [Update in OP]
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Hey you'll get 60 frames per second while playing your last gen games on your next gen system.
User banned (1 week): system wars, trolling + recent ban for same behaviour and account in junior phase
What's going to be funny is the reaction, when eurogamer starts doing its analysis for next gen games and all third party games will still perform best on scarlett.
"But muhhhhh lowest common denominator said thats not possibl!!!!!111"
"But muhhhhh lowest common denominator said thats not possibl!!!!!111"
Microsoft has already made clear their intentions.
They don't see the hardware as the platform anymore and their focus is not selling specific hardware but games and services. Scalett of whatever is going to be called is not their next gen platform in a traditional sense, it will just be an option to play their games (just like a PC, Xbox One S, Xbox One X and XCloud).
While many fans have pretended to not see the negative consequences of this approach they will be obvious soon enough.
They don't see the hardware as the platform anymore and their focus is not selling specific hardware but games and services. Scalett of whatever is going to be called is not their next gen platform in a traditional sense, it will just be an option to play their games (just like a PC, Xbox One S, Xbox One X and XCloud).
While many fans have pretended to not see the negative consequences of this approach they will be obvious soon enough.
what essentially is a next gen game then? Hardware doesn't determine the mechanics, you can add any type of mechanic to any platform. What constitutes a next gen game is is graphics, FPS, ray tracing, effects, and visuals.
They'll certainly have the highest resolution. Everyone will be able to see that when we blow up a postage stamp sized snippet of the screen and count the pixels.
Years is a problem. Like by the end 2014 we stopped getting cross gen games. Or if we did they weren't even close to the same.
3rd parties are the ones that have the most incentive to make cross gen games. They aren't trying to sell hardware. They will keep putting their games on as many platforms as possible. Microsoft is only making that easier for them.
If Sony holds its games hostage on one platform in order to force you to upgrade hardware, I don't think they should be applauded for it.
If Sony holds its games hostage on one platform in order to force you to upgrade hardware, I don't think they should be applauded for it.
So? Most games are last gen games, and sometimes even before that, with more bells and whistles. And this is not like last gen where developers were hurting for memory years and years before the generation came to an end. We are talking about consoles already capable of delivering big detailed and densely populated open worlds.
For me it is along with what next gen going to bring .
Having faster loading times on fighting games would be a god send.
could care less about "console warring", I just think the arguments here are extremely silly with no logic.
Yeah, this might be the case. They just aren't ready.
Now my question is...price cut on One X?
What´s going to be funny is when Sony drops their first Open World game based on PS5 hardware and MS drops their based on Xbox One S hardware, if this happens.
Hate to ruin your "Gotcha!" moment but the company repped in your avatar is most likely doing the same thing. You just don't let a user base of 100 plus million consoles die overnight
Has there been a console launch with no exclusive games at all?
What does that have to do with being held back in game design?
I suppose that is true, but you have to look at Microsoft's strategy. It's wildly different from their competitor's. This makes sense when you look at it through this lens.
And as someone else posted, the exclusives released early this gen (Killzone, Knack, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, etc.) did not really do anything new that could not have been done on the prior consoles Maybe Ryse due to the graphics, but the rest could easily have been done on last gen consoles.
But it's been a common trend for the past few generations to have games like this (Titanfall 1 , Forza Horizon 2, The first CoDs of this generation, Destiny 1 , etc)
The only thing that's new is that now they are supporting three sets of hardware instead of the usual two : The Xb1/Xb1s , the XB1X , and the Scarlett.
The interesting thing is to see the graphical and performance difference between the XB1X and Scarlett. Is it enough to warrant the people that spent $500 NOT EVEN TWO YEARS AGO to upgrade ? Or will MS be fine with them not upgrading since it's now all about those subscriptions (Gold and Gamepass and potentially cloud gaming)
Personally I'm in a unique situation. I got my 360 late in its generation so my XB1X has been mainly used for all the 360 games I missed via BC and 4k blu-rays. I only play current gens on it if I can't find a good sale of the PC version.
The way MS is gonna get me to upgrade is if they wall off future BC upgrades to the new console
I understand that this may not be as important to others, but it does affect my purchasing decision next-gen. A few years seems a bit long. Going to wait and see in either case, still early.
No one here is arguing that Anaconda will be stronger or weaker than PS5. The argument is next gen first party MS games should not be held back by Xbox One hardware.
Do PC games constrain a top-end PC by offering mid-range PC settings?
I think it should be fine.
how exactly is it being held back in game design? You can develop the highest resolutions, visuals on PC right now and then scale it down for lower end specs.
They have already said in their investors report that they want a fast transition to PS5. You don't achieve that with crossgen first party games.
Nah. Sony will have PS5 execlusive game at launch. If not, mod can perma ban me =))
Developers are not hurting for memory years and years this time.
They are hurting for CPU. Since this gen began.
That company had made it clear they want to move people over to next gen as fast as possible.
One of the easy ways to do that is have software that only for that system .
I expect Sony will have some cross gen games but they will have exclusives from very early on.
PS5 will play PS4 games but PS5 will also have exclusive games. So I don't think you ruined his 'gotcha!' moment.
Isnt this going to really hamstring some games. I love my xbox one x but I dont want the next generation of xbox games held back by it, let's not even talk about the basic ass OG xbox one.
Unless this rumor is just a bastardization of the idea that you can stream all xbox games I'm super disappointed.
Unless this rumor is just a bastardization of the idea that you can stream all xbox games I'm super disappointed.
How many PC games today have a mid-range laptop CPU from the early 2010's listed in the minimum reqs? Look at the difference between TLOU Remastered and Uncharted 4 and tell me having a higher min spec doesnt produce any results.
gameplay meaning in game mechanics? That variable is not Dependant on performance, you can build games today with any sort of mechanics not tied to specs.
Also funny that Jez is now credible because the news for once isn't all sunshine and rainbows for MS. Never change Era
How could they let the PlayStation 4 die overnight? there's a ton of active and satisfied users. They now have a stack of evergreen games on the shelf for $30 a piece. And if this news is true, it seems that most of the games coming out will not be exceeding that bar by much.
They can support both PS4 and PS5 concurrently. They've done it before. They have let their portables fall through, though. So there's always a chance for a big stumble. But I think it's clear that they would continue supporting the PS4 well after the PS5 launches. Those PS4 users will still use their machine and be happy, but one day they will want to play the sequels to the God of war, Horizon, Spider-Man, etc they are playing now.
so you're thinking from a 9 year difference of hardware that is completely irrelevant. Obviously older gen hardware gets naturally phased out when its no longer viable to support min specs. This happens over time.
This would be alright if it didn't include base XB1 specs. Making it just an option to include say XB1X. Base XB1 is so restrictive even now that I wonder why anyone would want to be restricted by it going into new hardware.
Why are people just ignoring the fact that modern engines are scalable. The Scarlett version can have 4K textures and run at 4K/60 FPS while the One version can have scaled resolution and 30 FPS and lower resolution assets. OR I'm guessing they'll only be available on the One/S through game streaming.
Having a higher minimum spec allows developers to try new game mechanics, level design and other things that weren't possible or feasible before. I don't see how anyone can deny this if you just look at history.
I like my generations how they've always been (+BC).
Having a brand new console being shackled by 2013 hardware for years is the best way for me not to even consider it.
Having a brand new console being shackled by 2013 hardware for years is the best way for me not to even consider it.
How are so many of you claiming this? It's nonsense. Have you completely forgotten about Ryse, Forza 5, Dead Rising 3 etc? This isn't a common trend at all. The common trend has been allowing devs to go cross-gen if they want for potentially bigger sales figures, but also ensuring there are next-gen exclusives to give people a reason to buy a new console and showcase what a new generation of consoles can do for video games as a whole. New features and gameplay mechanics that aren't possible on the current gen.
Not once has a console launched without exclusives.
"Here's a brand new $400-$500 console! It doesn't have any new games! Your current console can play them already!"
