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Will you guys #Mute Michael Jackson when his documentary comes out?

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UltraMagnus

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I will say I don't know what happened, but this is not like the other cases of #metoo. Tom Sneddon, the DA in Santa Barbara was trying to nail Jackson for years and quite honestly their case in 2005 was laughably stupid at times (ie: the mother in the case tried to claim that she was "trapped" on the Neverland estate and pondered trying to escape via hot air balloon even though her credit card records show she was out and about shopping).

So this isn't the case of this being under the radar for years, the Santa Barbara police department has been going after Jackson for a long time and raided his home unannounced and ultimately lost in court.
 
Bung Hole

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UltraMagnus said:
I will say I don't know what happened, but this is not like the other cases of #metoo. Tom Sneddon, the DA in Santa Barbara was trying to nail Jackson for years and quite honestly their case in 2005 was laughably stupid at times (ie: the mother in the case tried to claim that she was "trapped" on the Neverland estate and pondered trying to escape via hot air balloon even though her credit card records show she was out and about shopping).

So this isn't the case of this being under the radar for years, the Santa Barbara police department has been going after Jackson for a long time and raided his home unannounced and ultimately lost in court.
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Jesus. What in the actual fuck!!!

And people still believe Jackson was a peado and not some nice guy who people were trying to take advantage of because of his wealth?
 
We_care_a_lot

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I'm skeptical. at sundance they came out and said 'we received no payment for this documentary' when in fact they are in the middle of legal action trying to sue his estate for billions of dollars. That right there was a red flag.

I also don't believe any of the previous accusations against him, after having examined all the evidence. The FBI did 10 years of surveillance and investigation, surprise raids on his home, etc etc and found nothing at all.

Also, this isn't like R kelly, who video taped himself urinating on a 14 year old and still got acquitted. There was no evidence against Jackson, ever, of any kind, the kids were all coached in their testimony which was later retracted and the parents were demonstrably trying to attack any celebrity they could get their claws into for money.

If the allegations in this new documentary are true I would be very surprised.
 
Tha' Lunatic

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I REALLY don't agree with his other videos but here's a follow up on his previous video about the accusations, this time covering the subjects of this new "documentary":
 
JetSetSoul

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Not sure how to feel. Hope we're rational enough to not judge someone by their art but how creepy it is to have other people's children spend the night.
 
chezzymann

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I wonder how many people want to separate the art from the artist here but when someone turns out to be alt right theyre like "fuck this guy im never watching them again"
 
Triggerhappytel

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Depends what the allegations are to be honest. If it turns out he was a monster then yeah; I probably couldn't listen to his music with a clean conscience. However, I thought the stuff raised against him in the past turned out to be false, and in my opinion I thought he was very naive and childlike but probably not a sexual predator.
 

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chezzymann said:
I wonder how many people want to separate the art from the artist here but when someone turns out to be alt right theyre like "fuck this guy im never watching them again"
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At least for me it usually depends what that art is. I can't watch jontron and Louis CK again because what they do is entirely linked to their character. But if I watch a Woody Allen movie because he's on screen I'll still watch it. Now supporting that work with my actual money is a different situation.

Honestly my music has yet to be really challenged, but I don't see myself not listening to thriller
 
Leo

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I won't stop listening to his music because 1- It's freaking awesome 2- The guy had his life investigated upside down for years, exposed to the world several times, went to court and was declared not guilty and no concrete evidence was ever found so I think this subject is better put to rest, and this documentary coming up now is really disrespectful tbh.

I mean, the guy clearly had mental health issues and struggled his whole life because he had no privacy whatsoever, and wasn't even given rest to cope with his problems, and now, even 10 years after he is dead he still can't be left alone? Fuck.
 
Metal Gear Miyamoto

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People using the 'BUT HE SLEPT IN THE SAME BED!' accusation, know that was made up by the prosecution right?
People like Culkin very clearly said that they would sleep in the same bedroom as Micheal, but his bedroom was the size of a duplex with two stories in it. Micheal would retreat to his own bed when it was time to sleep.

The prosecution twisted that into the same bed and got their asses called out on it back in 2005.
 

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Jackson was extremely screwed up thanks to his upbringing, but despite years of investigations nothing has ever been found. Over and over his accusers have been exposed. Nobody, neither the kids or the families, ever want justice. They want a paycheck.
 

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Evil Monkey DTT said:
At least for me it usually depends what that art is. I can't watch jontron and Louis CK again because what they do is entirely linked to their character. But if I watch a Woody Allen movie because he's on screen I'll still watch it. Now supporting that work with my actual money is a different situation.

Honestly my music has yet to be really challenged, but I don't see myself not listening to thriller
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Very weird example. Woody Allen movies are very much linked to his character.
 
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Burrman said:
For real.This thread is loaded with MJ defenders attacking anyone that believes MJ's victims. Half this thread should be banned.
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Too many people throw out their principles when it comes to somebody they like and do not want to believe could be a bad person.

This forum is one of the most admirably progressive that I have ever been a part of, until it comes to celebrities people have an affinity for, at which point some people completely ditch all logic and reason.

Michael Jackson made some killer music, but that should not insulate him from serious accusations.
 

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I think MJ is too ubiquitous to completely mute or ignore. I wouldn't buy a record, for instance, but I don't think I would change the radio station the moment one of his songs comes on.

He did some very bad shit, but the man is dead. He isn't profitting anymore, I just wish part of this went to his victims.
 

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The smug self assuredness of the MJ Defense here, as if it was the learned position, and they were coldly leaning in established fact against irrational, ignorant haters who lacked knowledge.

Fucking appalling.

This thread should be a graveyard.
 
Zen

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I'm assuming the documentary shed some new light on the accusations? What was that thing about the creators suing his estate
 
Jarmel

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Dude went to court and was found innocent. That's good enough for me. Even if he did do it, I don't care enough to stop listening to his music. Guy's dead, he isn't making money off anything.
 
Zoc

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Wow, that documentary sure did cause a rapid turnabout. This thread is only two months old, but it might as well be 20 years.
 
Sunster

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Zoc said:
Wow, that documentary sure did cause a rapid turnabout. This thread is only two months old, but it might as well be 20 years.
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People believe what they want to believe unless truth is thrown in their face. That's what this documentary did for a lot of people.
 
Baphomet

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Never going to stop listening to his music, its ingrained since childhood and his music has helped me through some tough times.
 

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The man is dead he doesn't benefit from any music sales. The art is still here it does nothing to not listen to it.
 
Zekes

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Yeah, I've definitely had to reassess my relationship with the man's music, and I admit it hasn't been easy. I ended up deleting all his music outta my Apple Music library. I've taken a pretty adamant stance on not supporting artists who are abusers (looking at a lot of up and coming rappers). I won't even listen to David Bowie, even though I was never much a fan, because of him sleeping with underage groupies. I was a huge fan of MJ, but I just can't enjoy his music given the new allegations.
 

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Took all His music off my playlists, blocked all of it from popping up. He's dead to be, in more ways ways than one
 
Guppeth

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I haven't seen the documentary yet, but if it's as damning as everyone is saying, I won't be able to stomach MJ's music anymore. It doesn't matter that he's dead.

I'll watch it today.
 
Jarmel

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You and OJ be sure to let us know when you find the real killers.
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Ultimately MJ is dead. The whole thing was muddled enough for him to convince a jury he didn't do it. So for me it's whatever as I can easily separate the artist from the artwork/music in a situation like this.
 

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It's on in NZ this weekend so I'll be watching it then. But as of now, considering he was found innocent in a court of law and knowing that one of the men in the doc swore under oath that nothing happened, I'm going into it believing that he did not abuse kids. In my opinion, this doc is just for people to make money off so I am interested myself in seeing whether the doc changes my view on the whole matter.
 

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Nah, he went to court and was proved non-guilty on multiple allegations. I need cold hard facts and evidence to sway my opinion
 
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Jarmel said:
Dude went to court and was found innocent. That's good enough for me. Even if he did do it, I don't care enough to stop listening to his music. Guy's dead, he isn't making money off anything.
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If you think that the function of the courts is to adjudicate innocence or guilt you are extremely naive.

Michael Jackson was never found innocent. He was found not guilty which means that the jury could not determine beyond any reasonable doubt that he was guilty.

There are times when a court issues a ruling that they find the defendant innocent. This only happens in extreme cases when the innocence of the defendant is so obvious that a court decides that it must take legal notice of that innocence.

That is not what happened in either of the Jackson trials.
 

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Tamati Hemi said:
It's on in NZ this weekend so I'll be watching it then. But as of now, considering he was found innocent in a court of law and knowing that one of the men in the doc swore under oath that nothing happened, I'm going into it believing that he did not abuse kids. In my opinion, this doc is just for people to make money off so I am interested myself in seeing whether the doc changes my view on the whole matter.
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We know for a fact he's a predator and abused kids
 
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