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Will you fly on a 737 MAX when it returns to service?

Will you fly on the 737 MAX?

  • No way

    Votes: 441 75.0%

  • YOLO

    Votes: 147 25.0%
  • Total voters
    588
Mivey

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
17,826
Jack Bauer said:
Problems go deeper than that I'm afraid.

www.seattletimes.com

Boeing finds debris in wing fuel tanks of undelivered 737 MAXs, orders inspections

Boeing has ordered inspections of all the undelivered 737 MAXs after it discovered debris that mechanics left inside the wing fuel tanks of several of the aircraft.
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www.seattletimes.com

FAA faces dilemma over 737 MAX wiring flaw that Boeing missed

Modifying the wiring would be a delicate and expensive task, and Boeing this week submitted a proposal to the FAA, arguing that it shouldn't be required.
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Wow, first I'm hearing about this. Kinda stopped following this after it died down a bit in the news, and there's clearly been some new revelations.
Fuck Boeing, and I can't believe that likely no one in their board will face justice for this
 
Otheradam

Otheradam

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Nov 1, 2017
1,225
sgtnosboss said:
do I have a choice? I am not even sure what airlines used or will use them and on what type of flights or destinations.
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When you book a flight, it usually tells you the exact model of airplane that flght is.So just nope outta there if its a 737 max. I don't think it will ever fly again and forsee Boeing having to be bailed out by the govt or something dumb in the future.
 

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If enough experts and certification bodies say it's safe and it gets used for a while without there being any incidents then sure.
 
tangeu

tangeu

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Oct 27, 2017
2,232
I don't think I've ever payed attention/known to the model of plane when I travel. So....maybe?
 
Vilam

Vilam

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Oct 27, 2017
5,055
Nope. I always look at what plane I'm on before booking a ticket anyway (Seatguru user to find the best seats.) So if I see a 737 MAX, I simply won't book those tickets.
 
GSG

GSG

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Oct 25, 2017
4,051
Unless I absolutely have to(for scheduling/time-sensitive reasons), I'm going to avoid it. Would rather pay extra money to fly on another plane.
 

Yamajian

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,146
At the very least they will rebrand it. Hopefully they release the name of the rebrand so I know not to go anywhere near it.

TLDR: Fuck no
 
GaimeGuy

GaimeGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
5,092
The fundamental problem is the MAX changes aren't compatible with the 737 frame. Adding some redundancy can go a long way (incidents like the two that took place recently, assuming a 1 in a million chance, would then have only a 1 in a million chance of a crash, as opposed to a 100% chance, at a high level), but the failure involves anti-stall sensors. Fundamentally they still need to consolidate the sensory data into a conclusive action, which I'm sure mathematicians already worked out since they had two sensors installed in the first place.

I just can't believe that the plane was certified with no training or manual documentation for an embedded system that automatically adjusted the trim. That suggests to me that the system wasn't properly vetted during design, development, testing, and certification. Which I suppose is obvious given the fact that two planes crashed in 5 months.
 
Tabs2002

Tabs2002

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Feb 1, 2018
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DrEvil

DrEvil

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Oct 25, 2017
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AlmostMilk said:
Teslas spontaneously combust and people still drive them. How is this different?
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Uh, not every Tesla has the probability of combustion caused by fundamental design flaws in both the hardware and software like the Max does.

That's like saying not riding a train because it can derail, or not climbing any tree because they can fall down from a gust of strong wind.

A freak ocurrence != engineering corner cutting.
 
radosiewka

radosiewka

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Oct 29, 2017
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I've started checking up with what kind of plane I would be flying with before buying a ticket (and usually if I have similar alternatives - choosing Airbus rather than Boeing). If I would see that it's a Boeing Max, I would think twice if I really want to go in that place and if it's the best alternative.

And as other already written - they will rename it, claiming that's a completely new quality and plane. People who are not following news wont even now what they are flying with.
 
KDR_11k

KDR_11k

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Nov 10, 2017
5,235
How is "You only live once" supposed to mean "I'll gladly risk my life"?

Astronut325 said:
The plane will fly, it will get rebranded, and might receive from updates. But the fundamental flaw of the aircraft remains. The engines were never meant for that air frame.
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The A320neo seems to work fine despite also reusing an older frame for these engines.
 

SasaBassa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,075
With the FOD in the fuel and the wiring that needs to be done, hell to the no. I doubt the bird gets in the air again without a rebrand and even though the FAA is bought and paid for, other countries have no reason to allow it.
 
Psychotext

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
16,703
Not unless it gets certified by a agency outside of the US. Wouldn't trust Boeing and the FAA not to work together to just get it out the door.
 
Astronut325

Astronut325

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Oct 27, 2017
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KDR_11k said:
How is "You only live once" supposed to mean "I'll gladly risk my life"?


The A320neo seems to work fine despite also reusing an older frame for these engines.
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The A320neo has higher ground clearance. Therefore, it can mount the newer, bigger/taller engines without much issue. The problem with the 737 Max is that it doesn't have the ground clearance so they mounted the engines much more forward on the wing. This creates the tendency to point the nose of the airframe up. Hence the need for the MCAS system which is suppose to correct it by having the airframe point down.
 
Cookie

Cookie

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Oct 26, 2017
2,258
I really don't think they will fly again. They've been grounded for too long at this point. The FAA might not have a spine and pass them but other agencies in Europe and Asia won't. Airlines aren't going to buy a plane that the FAA says is ok but every other agency says isn't ok. It only got through in the first place because of corrupt bullshit.

Edit: Thinking about it some more, I think I will probably actively avoid flying on a Boeing plane ever again. It's not difficult in Europe.
 
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sgtnosboss

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Nov 9, 2017
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Otheradam said:
When you book a flight, it usually tells you the exact model of airplane that flght is.So just nope outta there if its a 737 max. I don't think it will ever fly again and forsee Boeing having to be bailed out by the govt or something dumb in the future.
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Astronut325 said:
Uh... almost every airline ticket I've ever booked tells you the aircraft upfront. You might just need to do an extra click or two to get to it.
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LOL I think you both have learned I have flown only a handful of times and I have never booked my own flight 🤣 .

side thought, I wonder if they will try to rebrand them and bring it to the market as something different? I have no clue legality on that.
 
daegan

daegan

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am probably only flying once, maybe twice this year, but I will be paying extra attention to which aircraft it is
 
Aranjah

Aranjah

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't know what kind of plane I'm flying on until I get on the plane, get seated, and flip through the little security pamphlet in the seat pocket (sometimes I get bored and curious, okay), and by that point it's a bit late.
 
ToddBonzalez

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's gonna be a big no from me, dawg. I fly Southwest for the majority of the flights I take which, iirc, is a 100% 737 fleet. I really hope they don't start using the Max. Delta is the only major American carrier that I know of that uses Airbus for domestic flights? Do any of the other airlines?
 
MisterB_66

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Oct 27, 2017
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ToddBonzalez said:
That's gonna be a big no from me, dawg. I fly Southwest for the majority of the flights I take which, iirc, is a 100% 737 fleet. I really hope they don't start using the Max. Delta is the only major American carrier that I know of that uses Airbus for domestic flights? Do any of the other airlines?
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Southwest already owns many MAXs, that's why they keep changing their planned schedules every few months because they can't use them right now.
 
Landy828

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Oct 26, 2017
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RichardHawk said:
Sure, who gives a shit.
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You will, into your pants, as it falls out of the air.

🤣 😝

AlmostMilk said:
Teslas spontaneously combust and people still drive them. How is this different?
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Just like any other car vs plane argument. You have a high chance of surviving a car wreck or escaping from them afterwards. You have darn near a 0 percent chance of surviving a plane wreck 😉 , even if the chance of being in one is far smaller.
 
Lobster Roll

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Would you speed down the expressway without a seatbelt?
Would you play Russian roulette?
Would you take a random substance with no knowledge of what it is?

I'm not taking wholly unnecessary risks that have zero benefits.
 
Xbox Live Mike

Xbox Live Mike

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Oct 29, 2017
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I already hate flying, I will consider taking the train even if it adds a day or two if means avoiding the max.
 

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I don't bother to ever check what kind of plane I'm flying on. So if it goes back into service probably. Eh who cares.
 
Socivol

Socivol

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm already way too paranoid about dying in a plane crash to ever fly one of these things.
 
Drakhyrr

Drakhyrr

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Oct 27, 2017
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Jack Bauer said:
Problems go deeper than that I'm afraid.

www.seattletimes.com

Boeing finds debris in wing fuel tanks of undelivered 737 MAXs, orders inspections

Boeing has ordered inspections of all the undelivered 737 MAXs after it discovered debris that mechanics left inside the wing fuel tanks of several of the aircraft.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com


www.seattletimes.com

FAA faces dilemma over 737 MAX wiring flaw that Boeing missed

Modifying the wiring would be a delicate and expensive task, and Boeing this week submitted a proposal to the FAA, arguing that it shouldn't be required.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com
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Correction of certification errors and quality escapes are daily life in aircraft manufacturers. Those becoming so public is only really happening because the 737 Max and Boeing as a whole are under a very bright spotlight. Not undeservedly so, of course.

As for topic, I would probably give it a few years for testing, if they are ever even allowed to fly again.
 
DazzlerIE

DazzlerIE

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm an anxious flyer and already check what type of plane I'll be flying on before booking.

I will go out of my way to avoid ever flying on one of these unless it's impossible not to. Even willing to pay more to avoid it
 
daveo42

daveo42

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Oct 25, 2017
17,251
Ohio
Probably won't have a choice when they enter full service as driving isn't really an option as I travel for work and family members live on opposite end of the US. On the plus side, this will probably end up being one of the safest planes ever produced by Boeing thanks to intense public scrutiny.
 
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