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Will The Winds of Winter release in 2021?
- Thread starter Forkball
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OOOOOOHHHHHH ELDEN RING.
Clearly that game is cursed too, Miyazaki is probably still waiting on GRRM to deliver.
The sad thing is that I'm now starting to believe that had the series never been adapted, GRRM would have finished TWoW by now...
Young writers should in any case not start with multi-part fantasy epics. The methods of Tolkien and CS Lewis for instance have proven, start small, expand if you feel the need. I don't think Game of Thrones works standalone. The Wardrobe on the other hand does.
There is some major cases like A Song of Ice and Fire and the Wheel of Time though. And honestly, even when it gets finished, if I look at my library, it is disappointing how I can perfectly see that I started reading Eragon after the second book, that I started Harry Potter at book 6, ...
I do not care anymore to be honest. Sure I will read it once out but in the meantime is something I don't think about anymore.
That's just not true. Most of the successful new fantasy authors started with a series. fantasy readers generally don't want standalones.
Aren't standalone prequels to Twilight and The Hunger Games two of the best selling 2020 books? Using Amazon's 2020 list I only see Ready Player Two and a Percy Jackson collection in the top 100 for the rest
using two mainstream ya books with built in fanbases (thanks to their published SERIES) isn't really a great point.
among new authors, publishers are looking for trilogies (which is why most are picked up on a 3 book contract). These days a lot of them also go selfpub, and the advantages of doing a series for that route is obvious.
Both The Hunger Games and Twilight work perfectly as standalone books. Especially Twilight was written as such.
At this point, they should just novelize the tv show for the remaining books of Song of Ice and Fire.
I think George will give a gift to fans after a horrible year.
or he will point to Cyberpunk 2077 and say you can't rush things :)
or he will point to Cyberpunk 2077 and say you can't rush things :)
Well, they were both sold to publishers as SERIES of books (3 book deals). in any case, using two incredible outliers with huge baked in ya fanbases as a guide for what new fantasy authors should do isn't helpful.
It really doesn't matter imo. I echo the sentiment that even if that book happens, the next one won't.
I personally can accept that. The first books are special enough for me, that I can accept the trade off, of the author not being able to finish what he started. (But I'm not a big reader to begin with, so laugh at me.)
I personally can accept that. The first books are special enough for me, that I can accept the trade off, of the author not being able to finish what he started. (But I'm not a big reader to begin with, so laugh at me.)
I gave my series of books to a colleague that I spotted reading A Clash of Kings.
Its dead, Jim.
Even if it did come out I wouldn't read it at this point.
Its dead, Jim.
Even if it did come out I wouldn't read it at this point.
Your missing out on a lot of great series by doing that, Stormlight archive being one of them.
Also, considering that the show was cliff notes ASOIF and three main characters were killed early or non existent (Barristan, Stannis, and Lady Stoneheart), I think the book will be vastly different.
I'm not really a huge Sanderson fan. I've always found his writing really awkward. I appreciate the amount of work he does, and I really like his YouTube lecture series, but his books aren't for me.
no seems like a pretty safe bet if he's not outright saying it's basically done
these things do take time to actually come out once they are finished(editing,actually physically publishing it etc) so it would need to be done real soon to realistically come out this year
these things do take time to actually come out once they are finished(editing,actually physically publishing it etc) so it would need to be done real soon to realistically come out this year
Even James SA Corey is telling people to give up the dream at this point. They worked quite closely for the guy for seven years. I'm losing hope.
He's not even close to finishing after a decade of writing and having a ton of work bleed over from the previous book. There's zero reason for optimism. The guy lost control of the series in 2002 when writing AFFC, he's not going to turn a corner after 20 years.
And he's old, even writers who are willing to write full-time (which is clearly not GRRM) aren't the same when writing at an advanced age.
And he's old, even writers who are willing to write full-time (which is clearly not GRRM) aren't the same when writing at an advanced age.
I'm guessing no and I'm hoping no as well. Dude gets WAY too much shit for his creative process. When it's done, it's done. Folks need to chill, though.
I love Sanderson, but I don't think he'll ever finish someone else's work again like with WoT. From what I've read and even had the opportunity to talk with him about it, the whole affair sort of drained him and also happened at a very different point of his career.
I somewhat feel the same. Wish he'd just admit to people he's moved on. No shame in it. But leading in his fans is fucked up.
Of course they care, they're losing a ton of money not having this book. But there's nothing they can do about it.
I'd say it's firmly within the realm of possibility. It's only getting closer as each year passes, at any rate. Regardless of whether one thinks it's feasible for the series to be finished, TWoW will be released.
He's not a malicious guy I think he believes he can finish it.
I'd have nothing but respect if he said "listen, I just am not feeling it. I can't finish this story unless I get some kind of inspiration. But it would be a disservice to the readers if I pumped something out that I wasn't in love with" etc etc.
I enjoy ASOIAF (and the other related works) too much to ever give up hope. I'll just keep re-reading until I die or TWOW is released. But I don't ever expect GRRM to release A Dream of Spring.
No, GRRM does not know how to end his story. We are getting no more books.
I feel for Brandon Sanderson. Guy is a good author in his own right, is putting out books in his own fantasy series and people are still expecting him to finish the work of a procrastinating author who is not interested in writing his own damn books. As you mentioned finishing WOT was at a different point in his career and he was a genuine fan of those books. Jordan left extensive notes, knew how his story ended and the only reason the books were unfinished was because of terminal illness. I cringe anytime sometimes asks Sanderson if he will take up writing ASoIaF when he does an AMA or answers questions.
If GRRM himself is unable to write these books don't expect anyone else to.
I feel for Brandon Sanderson. Guy is a good author in his own right, is putting out books in his own fantasy series and people are still expecting him to finish the work of a procrastinating author who is not interested in writing his own damn books. As you mentioned finishing WOT was at a different point in his career and he was a genuine fan of those books. Jordan left extensive notes, knew how his story ended and the only reason the books were unfinished was because of terminal illness. I cringe anytime sometimes asks Sanderson if he will take up writing ASoIaF when he does an AMA or answers questions.
If GRRM himself is unable to write these books don't expect anyone else to.
You edited out lazy which was offensive, but procrastinating?
The guy doesn't exist just to write you a damn book. If he has other things he'd rather do, or has problems in his life stopping him writing that is his business. Many authors have talked about the strain of the Trump years stopping them producing for instance.
If he writes it, he writes it.
Trump years? He's been struggling since circa 2002. You can't use a passing fancy as an excuse.
