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Oct 27, 2017
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Glad I'm no longer getting one at launch, the option to play comfortably at my desk on my 1440P monitor is important to me. Buying a box that only looks good on my TV isn't priority.
 

VanWinkle

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,095
Ugh, so stupid. I game on a 4K tv, but this is such an obvious thing to do. Tons of gamers today use PC monitors. WHY WOULD YOU NOT SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION?
 

Theswweet

RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
6,415
California
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I do wonder if any of this has to do with the fact that Sony is selling "PS5 ready" 4k TVs, and they don't sell computer monitors (afaik?)
 

shotgunbob04

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,383
I can't believe I allowed myself to think 1440p would be a no-brainer on a "next-gen" console like the PS5.

Pretty embarassing at this point. To only be able to output at 2160p or drop way down to 1080p is terrible. 1440p is the sweet spot, especially with all the HDMI 2.0 TVs with native 1440p @120Hz support.
 

WildWayz

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
285
It's a console... designed for TVs. Not really meant for monitors with different resolutions, otherwise it'll piss off all those super-extra-wide resolution people. Games would then have to worry about being coded for 1080p, 4K, 2K and resolution scaling. Then someone will say "Will it support my ultra-wide monitor?".

So stick with 1080p or 4K. No TV is sold as a 1440p TV (yes, they may SUPPORT it, but it is either 1080p or 4K) - so there is no need to make the PS5 utilise it.
 

WishIwasAwolf

Banned
Oct 24, 2020
260
I can't believe I allowed myself to think 1440p would be a no-brainer on a "next-gen" console like the PS5.

Pretty embarassing at this point. To only be able to output at 2160p or drop way down to 1080p is terrible. 1440p is the sweet spot, especially with all the HDMI 2.0 TVs with native 1440p @120Hz support.

Gaming on a 1440p is not really "next-gen" though; next-gen is all about 4K 120FPS HDR or even 8K30 with some AI upscaling.
 

thecaseace

Member
May 1, 2018
3,219
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I do wonder if any of this has to do with the fact that Sony is selling "PS5 ready" 4k TVs, and they don't sell computer monitors (afaik?)

I don't think the conclusion is that far fetched.

There's no technical reason Sony can't implement this in the software.

But in terms of their overall group strategy it makes sense that any additional panel (TV/monitor) sales at least go to a market they participate in.
 

brain_stew

Member
Oct 30, 2017
4,731
Bumping this to say that I've heard, off the record, that PS5 does *not* support 1440p resolution. The person in question had their PS5 hooked up to a 1080p display, and the available resolutions were 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and 2160p. 2160p was greyed out and unavailable, implying that 1440p isn't supported at all.

Unless Sony says otherwise, the dream is dead.

I didn't expect anything else given Sony's none existent monitor support in the past but this is such an own goal and really disappointing.
 

Jonnax

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,921
Bumping this to say that I've heard, off the record, that PS5 does *not* support 1440p resolution. The person in question had their PS5 hooked up to a 1080p display, and the available resolutions were 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and 2160p. 2160p was greyed out and unavailable, implying that 1440p isn't supported at all.

Unless Sony says otherwise, the dream is dead.
That really sucks.
My TV does 120hz upto 1440p.
I'd sacrifice the resolution for frame rate for sure.
 

LeBigMac

Member
Oct 26, 2017
609
It's a console... designed for TVs. Not really meant for monitors with different resolutions, otherwise it'll piss off all those super-extra-wide resolution people. Games would then have to worry about being coded for 1080p, 4K, 2K and resolution scaling. Then someone will say "Will it support my ultra-wide monitor?".

So stick with 1080p or 4K. No TV is sold as a 1440p TV (yes, they may SUPPORT it, but it is either 1080p or 4K) - so there is no need to make the PS5 utilise it.

There is a need. There are plenty of TVs that support 120fps at 1440p but not at 4k. So they are locking 120fps away for these people for no reason.
 

BoxScar

Member
Jul 21, 2020
799
It's a console... designed for TVs. Not really meant for monitors with different resolutions, otherwise it'll piss off all those super-extra-wide resolution people. Games would then have to worry about being coded for 1080p, 4K, 2K and resolution scaling. Then someone will say "Will it support my ultra-wide monitor?".

So stick with 1080p or 4K. No TV is sold as a 1440p TV (yes, they may SUPPORT it, but it is either 1080p or 4K) - so there is no need to make the PS5 utilise it.

1440P is already an option for DIRT 5, and many TVs support HDMI 2.0 1440P at 120hz. 1440P is also more of a standard than ultra-wides.

Gaming on a 1440p is not really "next-gen" though; next-gen is all about 4K 120FPS HDR or even 8K30 with some AI upscaling.

Well it's more next gen than having to output a 1080p image on a 1440P monitor. And the good thing about 1440P being supported as an output is that even if the game is running at 4K you get a crisp image as 1440P is being output and the 4k image is being downsampled down to that native 1440p output.

I also don't know if you;r ejoking, as no "next gen" AAA game will display 4K at 120FPS. IF you want 120FPS it's going to be at the very most 1440P, which A LOT of monitors can do via HDMI 2.0

I'll wait for official confirmation to until I get my hopes 100% dashed.
 

Acidote

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,974
There's no way a new powerful console doesn't support 1440p in 2020/2021. No way. Sony can't be this bad.
 

Lowrys

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,398
London
So if true, does this mean games can't aim for a 1440p res? Or does it mean they can do that but the PS5 will always upscale to 4K output?
 

trapt777

Member
Oct 25, 2017
552
Sony's ongoing commitment to NOT natively support 1440p is truly mind boggling to me.

Imagine supporting 720p and 1080i in the year 2020 but not 1440p. FFS.
 

ghostcrew

The Shrouded Ghost
Administrator
Oct 27, 2017
30,364
So if true, does this mean games can't aim for a 1440p res? Or does it mean they can do that but the PS5 will always upscale to 4K output?

They can render at whatever they like internal. The PS4 rendered lots of games at 1440p even though it didn't output at that res.

The problem with not outputting at 1440p (as an option alongside traditional 1080p and 4K screens) is for people who game on a 1440p monitor. The PS5 won't see a 4K screen so it'll output at 1080p and then that 1080p image will be stretched by the monitor. That results in a softer/blurry image rather than the crisp, native image you'd get if it outputted at the monitor actual resolution. If you've ever tried setting your Windows resolution to a lower resolution than your monitor you'll know what I mean.
 

Storm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,026
I assume this would be covered until an embargo, does anyone know when the UI embargo lifts?

Disappointing if so, but considering the PS4 Pro never got patched to support 1440p it's not a huge shock.
 

zuf

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,894
Still waiting on confirmation to buy a monitor. Looks like I'll be getting a 4K one then.
 

RulkezX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,342
Not overly surprised, Sony has always been poor at supporting this kind of thing. Disappointing though and given my monitor is 1440p at least the XSX gives me the option of swapping it between rooms and not having to battle the wife and kids for the main TV.
 

EvilBoris

Prophet of Truth - HDTVtest
Verified
Oct 29, 2017
16,684
So if true, does this mean games can't aim for a 1440p res? Or does it mean they can do that but the PS5 will always upscale to 4K output?

Games can render at whatever resolution they want internally.

It just means that if you want to play a a game that offers a 120hz or want to use VRR for 30/60fps content - you will have to do so either with a 1080p resolution.

Black Ops for example offers 4K 120hz output to make sure you get the highest acuity and the leafs latency.

It means you won't be able to do that on a 1440p monitor. It will be downscaled to or rendered at 1080p.
 

johan

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,554
It's a console... designed for TVs. Not really meant for monitors with different resolutions, otherwise it'll piss off all those super-extra-wide resolution people. Games would then have to worry about being coded for 1080p, 4K, 2K and resolution scaling. Then someone will say "Will it support my ultra-wide monitor?".

So stick with 1080p or 4K. No TV is sold as a 1440p TV (yes, they may SUPPORT it, but it is either 1080p or 4K) - so there is no need to make the PS5 utilise it.

games and UI these days are made to be scalable, so supporting 1440p should be a no brainer and the amount of work to allow for 1440p output should be minimal.

The same goes for ultrawide, technically, but you'll have to deal with a ton more certification/lotcheck for a relatively small userbase. Not worth it.
 

jimboton

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,421
This sucks so much. 1440p is the sweetspot imo for a 27 inches display and there's plenty of them with great motion handling and input lag in the 400-600 € range that support 120Hz and Freesync over HDMI 2.0.

Now I'll have to wait to Q1 2021 to spend maybe triple that on a 4k HDMI 2.1 monitor for no real IQ or functionality gain. Not cool, Sony.
 

EvilBoris

Prophet of Truth - HDTVtest
Verified
Oct 29, 2017
16,684
Sony's ongoing commitment to NOT natively support 1440p is truly mind boggling to me.

Imagine supporting 720p and 1080i in the year 2020 but not 1440p. FFS.

Let's hope it is coming.
I always feel like PlayStation are in tune with that hardcore , so it's an odd thing to neglect.
I think three are 3 factors which make me nervous though

1440p isn't a TV standard and is reported differently by the TV's edid.

Sony of course want to sell new TVs, so offering support for a product they don't make doesn't help them. We've seen pressure from the consumer electronics division on PlayStation before .
Note that Sony have put an 8K logo on the box of PS5...
The PS3 3D debacle is a good example of this cross involvement.

It's super niche.
Sony will know what % or players are connected to PC monitors and what the capability of those displays is. So it will be very low priority vs other engineering tasks.


This sucks so much. 1440p is the sweetspot imo for a 27 inches display and there's plenty of them with great motion handling and input lag in the 400-600 € range that support 120Hz and Freesync over HDMI 2.0.

Now I'll have to wait to Q1 2021 to spend maybe triple that on a 4k HDMI 2.1 monitor for no real IQ or functionality gain. Not cool, Sony.

There is no freesync on Ps5 as far as we know, so you'd want a 2.1 monitor anyway
 

Letters

Prophet of Truth
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
4,451
Portugal
Pretty crap of them to not support one of the most popular monitor resolutions when xbox has been doing it since last gen. I actually didn't rebuy a PS4 Pro late in the gen because of it.
 

Ravio-li

Member
Dec 24, 2018
949
wait, I thought 1440p output was confirmed? I'm not getting anything 4k anytime soon so this sucks to no end. Almost not interested in it anymore.
 

Alienous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,605
Bumping this to say that I've heard, off the record, that PS5 does *not* support 1440p resolution. The person in question had their PS5 hooked up to a 1080p display, and the available resolutions were 720p, 1080i, 1080p, and 2160p. 2160p was greyed out and unavailable, implying that 1440p isn't supported at all.

Unless Sony says otherwise, the dream is dead.

Wouldn't this also mean that the PS5 doesn't support an 8K output, even though the box says it does?
 

Surface

Member
Nov 6, 2017
650
Welp Im a 1440P monitor and 1080P TV user. Was planning to use PS5 on both. Now I will go with a PC instead most like it as I have no plans of new TV and I like my monitor
 

jimboton

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,421
I believe there are a few 4k HDMI2.0 tvs that can only get 120Hz in 1440p120 or 1080p120 modes... now those are forced to go all the way down to 1080 in order to experience high framerate modes so the whole 'Sony doesn't support monitor resolutions cause monitors are for nerds' angle isn't all that convincing.

Let alone the fact that the number of people who can't or don't want to fit a 48+ inches monster in their room is probably a lot less 'niche' than some like to think.
 

BubbaKrumpz

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
3,402
Yay Area
Man this is such fucking bullshit. I game on a monitor not a tv and it's 1440p. Now I'm going to have to sell this shit and get a 4K monitor.
 

mhayze

Member
Nov 18, 2017
555
Ironically, my sony TV does show 1440p as a supported res, and it even does 1440p120 (i.e. 120fps) from my PC over HDMI 2.0.
 

CHC

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,246
There are some 1440p monitors that accept a 4K signal. I have the Pixio PX7 and it does, I play my PS4 Pro and I can enable 4K output and the monitor just scales it down to 1440p. Looks great.

Not all 1440p monitors do this though and it sucks if they don't because then you're only able to output 1080p on the console.
 

XR.

Member
Nov 22, 2018
6,583
That's hugely disappointing, but at least I don't have to worry about getting hold of a console now. Hopefully this is patched in down the line in the future.
 

Civilstrife

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,286
Honestly it's massively disappointing if PS5 doesn't support 1440p.

They are putting proper 120hz support out of the reach of millions, especially as TVs and monitors that support 1440p120hz keep dropping in price.

These aren't niche devices. Midrange Samsung TVs going back to 2018 have support for it.

4K 120hz displays are expensive as fuck and will continue to be for quite some time.

1440/120hz is a fantastic middle ground for those with devices older than one year.
The fact that their competition has been supporting it since this gen is further salt in the wound.
 

JaseC64

Enlightened
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,008
Strong Island NY
Is there a particular reason why they don't do this? Is it something hardware related or its purely software based but they don't care?

Some of you with social media and connections should get Sony to respond on this. Truly baffling if MS does it with xbox.