stadia has managed to be completely irrelevant in the current generation, it'll be even more of a non-factor once next gen consoles are out.
They'll also compare $0 hardware to $299/$499 hardware ontop of that subscription.And that's something Google should have thought about. People will compare 10/month subscriptions to another new 10/month subscription, it's as simple as that.
I think it was initially explained well, but as other mentioned there was a lot of resistance to Stadia specifically for some reason. Making a thread here was almost impossible as it would be derailed by the third post, pretty embarrassing stuff.And that's something Google should have thought about. People will compare 10/month subscriptions to another new 10/month subscription, it's as simple as that.
The thing is that the game subscription services are a by-product of ecosystems that already have a large library of games. Sony and Microsoft can run subscription services with hundreds of games available because those hundreds of games were already PlayStation and Xbox games with an existing business reason for being on those platforms as standalone games. Sony and Microsoft just had to convince publishers to push the button that makes them available as part of the subscription. That option doesn't exist for a new platform where each game has to be ported - the major publishers aren't likely to fund ports that end up as one game in a large subscription service, they'll all want any port to a new platform to focus on getting as many standalone sales as possible.Stadia needs a subscription business model if it's going to survive. People are clearly not willing to buy a game that exists only in the cloud
This doesn't negate the post that you're responding to though. That poster said they did not see room for Google. It's totally possible for it to be true that Stadia is technically miles ahead of PS Now and Xcloud, and also true that there is no room for Google.Nah, when it comes to tech, quality of stream etc. Stadia is miles ahead of those two.
Well, whether they have a subscription service depends on what you meant. Stadia Pro subscribers accumulate games each month in pretty much exactly the same way that PlayStation Plus or Xbox Live Gold subscribers do. So if you think PlayStation Plus is a games subscription business model, then yeah, Stadia has that (and has had it since the start). If you were talking more about PS Now, or Game Pass, or "Netflix for games", then no, Stadia doesn't have that.Oh, I didn't know they had added that. Then maybe it's a marketing/messaging problem? I frequent this site and other gaming news sites, you'd think I'd be an informed customer!
Yep. For a lot of publishers/developers it's probably quite close to the point where porting to Stadia isn't worth it unless it's free or very close to it.Problem is that there is no sustainable way publishers will keep porting and supporting games with such a small playerbase. Unless Google does something really fast when it comes to getting at least some customers, they won't be getting games to the platform at all.
They go away.
I disagree that Stadia has a 'Window'. People who are deep into the hobby like to think along absolute terms like that because its a compelling narrative, but the reality is, if Google can keep the service going, keep reminding people its out there, free, and has a load other benefits, people can dip in and out of it as much as they want.Their window was November 2019 to about a month ago to have really made a name for themselves, which they obviously failed to do.
I just meant to have the "space to themselves" to get a larger userbase, which is still problematic.I disagree that Stadia has a 'Window'. People who are deep into the hobby like to think along absolute terms like that because its a compelling narrative, but the reality is, if Google can keep the service going, keep reminding people its out there, free, and has a load other benefits, people can dip in and out of it as much as they want.
If someone buys a XsX or PS5, they aren't suddenly barred from trying Stadia. It can exist as another platform for anyone with decent internet.
Of course, getting people to think in those terms seems to be hard. That's gamers for you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, and they find that the 299 or 499 option is better because they will save more money in the log run thanks to services like Game Pass. By the way, you need a controller to play Stadia so it's not $0.They'll also compare $0 hardware to $299/$499 hardware ontop of that subscription.
The new generation is hype overload whatever side of the fence you're on:
- PS5 hype is, as always for a new Sony console, pretty crazy. With pre-orders selling out in minutes and an incredibly strong 2021+ line-up to keep momentum. A surefire hit.
- XSX/XSS is in a much stronger position than Xbox was last generation. With XSS offering a much cheaper entry point to a new generation than we've seen in many years. And Game Pass and All Access offering incredible value, even as a complimentary second console to another preferred ecosystem. It's clear Xbox is going to grow.
- Xbox Game Streaming being part of GPU means that people will be able to take their Game Pass games on the go, with a better value proposition than Stadia in that regard. The service will improve as they switch out for XSX blades.
- Nvidia Ampere hype is beyond anything I've seen in the PC space for years. The RTX3080 launch demand single-handedly broke dozens of PC component sites for most of yesterday.
- Switch continues to sell complete and utter gangbusters regardless of anything else that's happening in the market, with rumours of an enhanced model next year.
Stadia now has their free service launched for a good while now. And yet I'm not seeing any traction for it. The volume of first and third party quality and compelling content coming to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's platforms and PC is nothing short of staggering and completely dwarfs Stadia's offering.
So what will happen to Stadia in 2021 and beyond? Google is a huge beast. But Microsoft has proved in the past that simply throwing lots of money at this market doesn't guarantee success. Will Google make some big unexpected moves? Or will they continue to only keep a toe dipped in to the gaming market? Can it survive? Or will this thread get laughed at in 5 years when Google is the market leader?
Yea I get that, I've just seen similar lines being parroted so often.......I just meant to have the "space to themselves" to get a larger userbase, which is still problematic.
Yep, and it's not just new hardware, it's the whole deal top to bottom.Stadia will do well. Not talking 50+ million users, but they are already teasing 120fps and are upgrading their blades to be competitive with next generation.
Yea I get that, I've just seen similar lines being parroted so often.......
Hopefully it didn't seem like I was trying to have a go at you or anything.
It already has this. This month, it added Hitman, Metro Last Light Redux, Hello Neighbour, Super Bomberman R Online, Embr!, and Gunsport. It's like PS+ where you claim games during your subscription and then you keep them for the length of the subscription. It's a little different than PS+ though in that the freebie games tend to stay up for months so if you start a subscription, you get more than just that month's games.
I disagree that Stadia has a 'Window'. People who are deep into the hobby like to think along absolute terms like that because its a compelling narrative, but the reality is, if Google can keep the service going, keep reminding people its out there, free, and has a load other benefits, people can dip in and out of it as much as they want.
If someone buys a XsX or PS5, they aren't suddenly barred from trying Stadia. It can exist as another platform for anyone with decent internet.
Of course, getting people to think in those terms seems to be hard. That's gamers for you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I tend to see Stadia as having many similarities to Chromebooks, at least in terms of perception and (hopefully) eventual trajectory.
Chromebooks were absolutely shat on for years and years when they first came out, but generally speaking, people that had them and knew what they did, absolutely loved them. They were niche for a long time, but Google stuck with them and they eventually found their sizeable niche in education.
Windows 10 didnt kill them, the newest MacBook didnt kill them, they just kept on going, and got better and better.
I think it'll be around for a bit. Didn't Google spend a bit of money creating/purchasing studios and poaching existing talent (i.e. Jade Raymond and Shannon Studstill)? I'm interested to see what the output will be from all that.
EDIT: If anyone remembers OnLive they were around for 5 years. Stadia isn't even a year old yet.
I don't think most people want that from a gaming platform that's advertising itself as a console replacement. I think most people want a Netflix style sub where they get everything in the platform's catalog.
I think the Stadia example shows how difficult it is for new companies to enter the market as platform holders. Once the Series X blades are in the Azure data centers, I cannot see how Stadia would even remotely compete with the Game Pass catalogue for streaming. Stadia tech apparently is pretty good, and we'll have to see how it will compare to xCloud next year (not now), but I don't think Stadia has much of a future. The Stadia example also probably shows that Microsoft has made the right decision about sticking with gaming, but doing it with renewed full commitment, albeit only since a couple years ago.
I don't think that it's it.The Stadia was a huge flop because google wanted people to pay $60 for games we would only have access via streaming. I don't think this has anything to do with a new company in the market
-Xbox, on its worst moment, still managed to sell some 50 million consoles, retained a massive portion of their core users, and is arguably looking stronger than ever. The xCloud / GamePass combo could be gigantic.
Right, Stadia had a soft launch last year, but their real launch was in April this year IIRC. Hasn't even been half a year.
Right now, it's a hybrid between PS+ & GamePass since you keep the games but the games stick around for new members to claim for months. I think it'll be closer to a proper GamePass competitor in a year or two as they keep adding new games to the list.
EDIT: Here are the current free games that Stadia Pro members can activate right now (7 of them are from this month).
Not GamePass, but there are some good games there. And unlike GamePass, if they take them off the service after you redeem them, you still get to keep them on your account.
- Crayta
- Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom
- SteamWorld Dig
- West of Loathing
- Destiny 2
- Gylt
- PUBG
- Steamworld Heist
- SteamWorld Dig 2
- SteamWorld Quest: Hand of Gilgamesh
- The Turing Test
- Little Nightmares
- Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid
- SUPERHOT
- Panzer Dragoon Remake
- Orcs Must Die 3
- Metro 2033 Redux
- Just Shapes & Beats
- Strange Brigade
- Rock of Ages 3: Make and Break
- Super Bomberman R Online
- Gunsport
- Hitman: Complete First Season
- Hello Neighbor
- Metro Last Light Redux
- Embr
I don't think that it's it.
I can fully play all my purchased games in 1080p via my TV, phone, PC, Chromebook...
Once my PSN expires this month all of my multiplayer games become useless
Google failed to highlight the advantages proudly
Yep, you can actually subscribe and get a free trial for a month and cancel before they start charging you for the next.So they were trying to do something like Game Pass after all, didn't know that. Most people also don't i'll assume.
Btw, can i subscribe to Stadia Pro only for a month to play some of these games? Looks like a good deal actually.
Atleast i would never purchase a single player game that i can't have access if internet is off.
I don't think i would purchase multiplayer only games in console either tho, as i only play online on pc.
Btw, can i subscribe to Stadia Pro only for a month to play some of these games? Looks like a good deal actually.
Yep, you can actually subscribe and get a free trial for a month and cancel before they start charging you for the next.
Yes. You only have access to them while the subscription lasts though. If you end your subscription and decide to resubscribe later, you do regain all previous subscription games you had redeemed along with your save data.
I have been in since launch and it has become my favorite platform for playing games. The library is certainly wanting, but the tech is incredible and it's a much more convenient and flexible way for me to play than a traditional console. I don't have to worry about system updates, game updates, game installs, etc. Google is playing the long game here and anyone who thinks they are going to shut it down in the next year or two is out of their mind. I don't know why the users of this site are so aggressively down on it and myopic about its potential. People seem genuinely excited about xCloud, which obviously has a much better library, but clearly inferior tech. The library will get there and I'm happy to continue paying my ten bucks a month for it.