Huh? Because I said he probably doesn't follow celebs? Why would celebs follow people they have to work with and know personally?
Did you follow Chris Rock before 5 minutes ago?
Huh? Because I said he probably doesn't follow celebs? Why would celebs follow people they have to work with and know personally?
And?Kind of a weird way to phrase it when Will and Jada have been married for 25 years.
No, I cannot link you every single time Chris Rock has invoked Jada Pinkett's name on stage. I can link you the big ones made in front of audiences of multiple millions because those are the well documented ones. From there you can choose to assume the folks who noticed this pattern are making it up entirely, these are just isolated incidents, and Will Smith chose that night and that subject to get mad enough to publicly smack someone in the face over or you can consider that perhaps when people who have been paying attention to these people for decades say there's a pattern it's not coming from nowhere.
You made it sound like he had a very long running history of this, yet only brought up... 1? example and can't even link what the joke was. If this was a long running history you would be able to easily provide a few examples no?No, I cannot link you every single time Chris Rock has invoked Jada Pinkett's name on stage. I can link you the big ones made in front of audiences of multiple millions because those are the well documented ones. From there you can choose to assume the folks who noticed this pattern are making it up entirely, these are just isolated incidents, and Will Smith chose that night and that subject to get mad enough to publicly smack someone in the face over or you can consider that perhaps when people who have been paying attention to these people for decades say there's a pattern it's not coming from nowhere.
But even if you choose to say "I don't believe you" at least you have the courage to actually engage with the possibility, unlike some posters.
Don't make fun of someone's wife in a public forum and expect to walk away unscathed.
Not disingenuous to say physical assault is inappropriate especially in this context, but keep trying to sugar coat it for some reason...It's just one more example of using disengenuous language to make the slap seem worse than it was. I see you.
Oh my a 'warning sign!'. If only someone told Jada when they were married that he would someday SLAP someone twenty five years later! The horror!
There's a compilation video linked somewhere in one of the past threads. There's not a lot of jokes, but he does appear to have a weird obsession with her.
Only ones I can recall are from some scripted show in the 90s and the "Oscars so White" joke, where Jada was an outspoken proponent it's not a surprise a joke was made about her absence.There's a compilation video linked somewhere in one of the past threads.
Not disingenuous to say physical assault is inappropriate especially in this context, but keep trying to sugar coat it for some reason...
How is that disingenuous? Do you think people can't change during a relationship...?That's not what you said. You literally called it a massive warning sign at best, when it's 25 years into a marriage. That IS disengenuous.
If you don't know about Dave Chappelle's attacks on trans people then look them up if you want to understand the context behind the sentiment. It's not a difficult one to search for and he hasn't been subtle about it. It would (genuinely) be faster than me writing it all out.
The ignorance is in trying to draw the hard line between the two, especially with something as vague as jokes made in poor taste. Comedy has a history of running cover for bigotry and hate speech, not least with regard to transphobia. Which is part of why people like Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais and Bill Burr all manage to keep their specials and stand-ups going despite using them as a platform to demean trans people for years. It's not hate you see, it's just a joke. It might be in poor taste but... He doesn't really dislike trans people he's just... and so on and so forth.
So then is this rule only for wives or would it also apply to husbands? Anyone married shouldn't be joked about in public without justifiably being assaulted?Don't make fun of someone's wife in a public forum and expect to walk away unscathed.
How is that disingenuous? Do you think people can't change during a relationship...?
Yeah only make fun of husbands. If you make fun of someones wife you're going to get the shit beat out of you. I collect a lot of funko pops and all of those characters would totally own someone who makes of their women.So then is this rule only for wives or would it also apply to husbands? Anyone married shouldn't be joked about in public without justifiably being assaulted?
I'm not even touching the "be a man" toxic nonsense
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Why are you trying to put words in my mouth now? Done talking with you if you're going to be this disingenuous.How do you think Will Smith has changed exactly? One slap and he's suddenly this scary violent black man?
Why are you trying to put words in my mouth now? Done talking with you if you're going to be this disingenuous.
If your partner is now assaulting speakers on stage in front of millions of people? Yeah, that's a warning sign that they are having issues dealing with confrontation in a healthy adult way. You think it's alright to go up assaulting people?Just explain how it's a "massive warning sign at best" then. Your words. Just explain them.
You sure are down to defend someone's wife getting insulted. Is this Ted Cruz's alt account or something?Not disingenuous to say physical assault is inappropriate especially in this context, but keep trying to sugar coat it for some reason...
I would recommend marrying a woman who isn't an object and can verbally defend herself if she feels the need to.You sure are down to defend someone's wife getting insulted. Is this Ted Cruz's alt account or something?
Doesn't really matter, tbh.
You don't assault someone over that, and Will knows he's in the wrong for it.
Dude likely lost out on roles and business opportunities over this; his reputation has been dragged through the mud across the entire industry and online platforms.
If your partner is now assaulting speakers on stage in front of millions of people? Yeah, that's a warning sign that they are having issues dealing with confrontation in a healthy adult way. You think it's alright to go up assaulting people?
People change, thankfully he's recognized the mistake in this video and was clearly remorseful admitting it was wrong to assault Chris on stage. Seen plenty of people go down bad bad paths.I don't think a single slap in 53 years of a man's life is enough to say what you've suggested.
And Jada continues to be erased (unless she's being portrayed as the villain).
Jada didn't assault Chris Rock. Why do Will's actions absolve Chris of his responsibility to do right by her?
People change, thankfully he's recognized the mistake in this video and was clearly remorseful admitting it was wrong to assault Chris on stage. Seen plenty of people go down bad bad paths.
If someone's willing to do that on stage, yeah it's like I said a massive warning sign. Not sure why you and others think physical assault is okay and worth downplaying but keep going on I guess.Of course, an Oscar slap, the gateway violent act to some truly dark things...
Can I speak as a woman and say I sure as shit wouldn't want such a partner or do I count less than the women you decide to use for your argument?Every woman I know has said on social media that they want a partner who will stand up for them like Will Smith did
She can speak for herself and demand an apology.
Rock is under no obligation to initiate one, specifically because he views himself as THE main victim in all this.
Jada wasn't physically assaulted on a globally telecasted event. Chris Rock was, hence why he's received the lion's share of public support/sympathy.
And, just to reiterate, let's sum up the actions of all involved:
Chris Rock: Made fun of Jada Pinkett Smith's physical appearance, knowingly or not poking at a health condition.
Will Smith: Slapped Chris Rock in retaliation.
Jada Pinkett Smith:...nothing.
And yet who NEVER gets the victim treatment in all of this? In fact, not only does Jada not get seen as a victim here, she gets blamed -- up to and including multiple insinuations, in this thread even, that Jada is psychologically damaging her husband. Claims that she needs counseling. Claims that she emasculates Will.
All without saying a word.
I didn't ask if Will was justified or not. I asked why it's okay for Chris to say what he said. People ITT want to argue about the severity of his words, or whether or not he knew about her condition. None of those people want to answer that question, though.Doesn't really matter, tbh.
You don't assault someone over that, and Will knows he's in the wrong for it.
If your partner is now assaulting speakers on stage in front of millions of people? Yeah, that's a warning sign that they are having issues dealing with confrontation in a healthy adult way. You think it's alright to go up assaulting people?
That doesn't sound like the issue. He apologized months ago, but based on what he said in this video, his entire family is still paying for his mistake because others can't let it go and move on.
For point #2, it's been pointed out over and over again since the original incident that Chris Rock made a whole ass documentary about black women's hair. He knows full well it's not something to joke about.If we choose to accept the narrative that Chris Rock didn't know about Jada's medical condition despite it being more likely that he did know about it, that still leaves us with two facts about the situation:
1. It was easily within his power to find out if it was okay to make unprompted pot shots at her appearance on national TV given she's been open about the condition. No idea why ignorance causing harm is suddenly okay here for some people.
2. He shouldn't have been making the fucking pot shots anyway. "Comedy" based around insulting and mocking someone's physical appearance is lame. He was trying to be funny by being insulting and people rushing to the defense of said public mockery should really take a step back and think about this situation objectively.
I'm not talking about Will Smith's response here. I've got nothing insightful to say about that which hasn't already been said by others. I'm talking purely about this "it was just a joke, maybe he didn't know" Chris Rock defense force. He made a bad shitty joke built on making someone feel bad about themselves for no reason. Doesn't matter if he knew why, so throwing that possibility up like it excuses him is nonsense.
This simply isn't true.Jada Pinkett Smith has not been afforded an ounce of victimhood in any of this.
I'm convinced you live in some super sanitized world. People are prone to bouts of physical, emotional reactions regardless if they are on camera live or in the privacy of their own home, and not because they are abusive or violent people by nature. The slap should have never happened but this isn't some sign of a concerning behavioral and mental problem. If it was like a repeated thing where Will was assaulting people all of the time, then there would be cause to say it is a warning sign and disturbing.If someone's willing to do that on stage, yeah it's like I said a massive warning sign. Not sure why you and others think physical assault is okay and worth downplaying but keep going on I guess.
Fucking what? lolMeanwhile, I suspect Will is hurting for work now, and is working with his team of publicists to remove the shame his assault caused.
Well if your definition of victimhood is a public apology from Chris Rock then ok.
The slap just showed what an immature, overly reactive asshole will smith really is.
Completely unjustified, point blank.
"Overly reactive" by reacting to someone mocking his wife's medical condition -- someone who has mocked his wife in the past already.