For a certain type a person it will never be enough.
You can now add "words aren't weapons and don't hurt!" to the list of stupid sheltered bullshit.
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Will Smith Breaks Silence: “Deeply Remorseful” For Oscar Slap
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For a certain type a person it will never be enough.
You can now add "words aren't weapons and don't hurt!" to the list of stupid sheltered bullshit.
That's not necessarily the wrong opinion, and it's weird how nuance is being lost on even this point.
You can say Will Smith was wrong to slap Chris Rock without A) asserting that violence is never an answer to any single problem ever, B) equivocating all forms of violence as exactly the same in terms of harm, C) falsely denying that words are harmless, and D) using racist dogwhistles to discuss the issue.
This isn't that hard.
How often does the media talk about it? Last time I can remember was when Chappelle got attacked and Chris joked about the attacker being Will. Chris could end this if he felt like it, but for whatever reason he won't.
Probably for the same reason he's never apologized to Jada.
? He slapped somebody. You've never seen people slap people in anger before?
It makes rounds every now and then when a celebrity decides to bring it up. Also the Sun wrote about the slap a week ago. Vanity Fair had an article a month ago…there are more from what I can see. So it never really went away.
simplifying the situation to "he slapped somebody" is a bit unfair
I'm not so quick in accepting the apology and moving on. The man was laughing at the joke, saw his wife was upset at the joke, decided to get up and slap another man in a public setting.
This apology doesn't really address that if his wife weren't happy with something that Will wouldn't violently act on it again.
edit: to be clear, I'm not incriminating Jada. I think Will's reaction to Jada not being happy with something is over the top and something he needs to sort out.
pretty awful take. Good thing he's not asking for your forgiveness. Lol @ "I'm not so quick to accept!"
if he did, I'd be asking why the hell he slap me for when he was laughing at the joke a second ago
What happened between Will laughing and Will hopping on that stage?
Come on... It's right there.
Why would you ask a question you're so sure you already know the answer to?
Never seen an angry person laugh because they don't know what else to do?
This assumes that violence can never be the answer. But even society at large is fine with massive amounts of state violence.
Era in a nutshell anytime a violent situation plays out where someone gets what they deserve. There is always at least one person that needs to be the defense force for the person/persons who got what was coming to them.
I wonder if people have tried to goad Will into slapping them since then? Similar to how people ask Aaron Paul to call them a bitch.
You are implying there are "deeper" issues as if this wasn't the mildest violent physical reaction a person could have against another person. What he did wasn't right, but it hardly requires psychoanalyzing.
Lots of people just the enjoy attention that comes with being the contrarian.
I'm going to be completely honest. I probably watch the Academy Awards more than most people do on here. Used to do betting pools and just liked the traditional broadcast.
I think Will was slightly in the wrong, but both of their careers should and will have benefited from this nonsense. No one will ever say, "Will, ID43 is not an option for you!", or "Chris, you're going to host this dire event until the end of your days!" They put spotlight on an awards show scrambling to reach an audience that doesn't care.
If you're stanning for a side, you're in the wrong. Before the end of our lifetime, these two actors are going to share the screen in some fashion. I can understand people being critical about Chris. He will market it until he knows it's time.
I think Will was slightly in the wrong, but both of their careers should and will have benefited from this nonsense. No one will ever say, "Will, ID43 is not an option for you!", or "Chris, you're going to host this dire event until the end of your days!" They put spotlight on an awards show scrambling to reach an audience that doesn't care.
If you're stanning for a side, you're in the wrong. Before the end of our lifetime, these two actors are going to share the screen in some fashion. I can understand people being critical about Chris. He will market it until he knows it's time.
Why center Will's initial laughter here? Or even bother mentioning it at all? I don't get it.
Maybe it was an attempt at grace, maybe it took a second for him to process the joke, maybe it was a defense mechanism. Either way, anger quickly supplanted that laughter, and that anger was most definitely coming from an understandable place.
The impulse to be like "oh, but he laughed!" strikes me as people disliking Will's overall reaction and then working backwards while selectively limiting their emotional imaginations.
All of these takes approving of his behavior is a bit WTF. Chris's joke was definitely in poor taste, but Will still did the wrong thing. Are we going to just start saying that all comedians should get assaulted when they make a joke someone doesn't like?
Nah I couldn't disagree any more and the takes in this thread are wild.
Rock told a crappy joke. When Demi Moore shaved hear head for G.I. Jane, it was a big pop culture story. Rock saw a woman actor with a shaved head and thought "G.I. Jane!".
It was lazy, not really funny, but in no way malicious or mean spirited. This was in the context of him presenting as a comedian at an award show i.e. doing what hosts have been doing for 100 years.
A much bigger man proceeded to march up onto the stage and assault him in front of millions of people.
What Will did was unacceptable, he was 100% in the wrong, and thankfully his apology acknowledges that.
Rock owes him nothing.
Would you say it is wrong for Dave Chappelle to be assaulted for his jokes and demeaning beliefs about trans people? Just asking out of curiosity.
Yo like when that racist lady screamed the n word at the fast food workers and got wrestler slammed. Fuck her
Same, I'm done with the thread. I can't believe how many people are just fine with it or like Will more now that he slapped Chris during the Oscars. Pathetic and messed up. People that hit other people because they can't control their emotions are not to be looked up and it isn't a sign of strength. It's all ego.
I may be misunderstanding, but the notion that it was wrong for Chris Rock to be physically struck on stage for what he said is nowhere close to be contrarian.
That's 50% of this thread and the last one.
"What about battered children tormented in secret by high school bullies?"
"What about Russia's war in Ukraine?"
"What about a righteous outburst of violence that can sometimes occur in pursuit of legitimate social justice?"
Silly business.
Not straw man. The user asked "Are we going to just start saying that all comedians should get assaulted when they make a joke someone doesn't like?"
He is a comedian making demeaning jokes about people. I want to know how they feel about that form of violence vs this one.
I don't condone Will's actions and these are broad statements being made about how violence is wrong without thinking about nuance.
Some of Chappelle's content borders on hate speech against an oppressed and marginalised group.
Equating it with "a joke someone doesn't like" is a shitty straw man.
Not a Strawman when people are saying it.
(And before you try, that "shouldve" is a typo by this user as they are arguing he should not have been)
Will always have love and respect for will.
he seems sincere here and wants to do right by everyone he hurt. I can respect that.
he seems sincere here and wants to do right by everyone he hurt. I can respect that.
Equating a dude continuing to pick at a target he's been picking at for 25 years to "a joke someone doesn't like" is a shitty straw man.
Didn't he apologize already shortly after the Oscars?
Well kudos for him being the better man on this, while Chris Rock seem to have otherwise gotten away with saying such a shitty joke.
Well kudos for him being the better man on this, while Chris Rock seem to have otherwise gotten away with saying such a shitty joke.
Some people in this thread have lived some incredibly sheltered lives is all I can guess if words are fine. Would you be fine with somebody mocking an autistic person? Cause I saw what happened when someone did that to my best friends little brother and he got a lot more than a slap out of it.
Genuinely curious, the hell do you expect people to actually do? Like someone sends someone incredibly dear to you into a meltdown and you expect them to ask them nicely not to be a dick? The world is nowhere near that sweet. Or maybe it is cause it was just words right?
Its fucking mind boggling that it's OK to rip on Jada's alopecia and yet people mock the physical shape of Donald Trump and people throw a fit over body shaming. I'm not even saying that's wrong but for fuck sakes at least be consistent
Genuinely curious, the hell do you expect people to actually do? Like someone sends someone incredibly dear to you into a meltdown and you expect them to ask them nicely not to be a dick? The world is nowhere near that sweet. Or maybe it is cause it was just words right?
Its fucking mind boggling that it's OK to rip on Jada's alopecia and yet people mock the physical shape of Donald Trump and people throw a fit over body shaming. I'm not even saying that's wrong but for fuck sakes at least be consistent
No one who's upset over Chris' joke are so because of simply not liking it, it's because his joke was demeaning/offensive. He was making a joke at the expense of Jada's alopecia.
If you were expecting better from some people here, you expected too much.
I don't actually know any of what Dave has been saying, I don't follow his content, I have seen there is controversy over some of his recent shows, but I don't know any of the specifics. All I can really say regarding it is that there is a difference between a joke and hate speech.
I wasn't, but sometimes folks get defensive and respond when you tell them about themselves.