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Poutine

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've been bullied like hell (overweight and ginger) when I was younger and my parents kept saying that violence wasn't the answer, I always believe that but now that I'm older I wouldn't say the same things to my kids, thinking that they would eventually stop never really worked for me.

That being said, i'm not sure If I approve of what Will did, ok he was protecting his wife but at the same time the whole thing was set as a joke + they are two grown adults in a public setting, pretty sure that talking to him after the show would have done the same thing.
 

MamaSpaghetti

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Mar 17, 2022
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none of them would lay hands on another person

if they do that's instantly losing your job, going to jail and possible law suits, your background checks at future jobs would also get fucked. You would be done for life if you raise your hands in a professional environment
Yep, I don't know what businesses or jobs some people in here have worked where that would ever be okay or accepted.
 
Jan 18, 2018
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just report me in silence and move on, lol.

Will did right by his family making the apology. People are coming for their heads, and if this is what it takes to ease things up, good on him.

If I was Chris I would be completely annoyed by the fact that the people defending me are lowkey calling me a punk. Especially those earlier "he could have died" responses. Like, just call me a little bitch while you're at it.

Guys like Dave and Chris deserve repercussions for the foul shit they do, but I don't want good people losing their livelihoods over them. Hitting them is a quick way to lose livelihoods.

And unless you are monk like, which only monks are, when you say "violence is not the answer", what you really mean is "non-physical, state sponsored, and/or authoritarian violence is the answer". Just be honest.

Well said.
 

entremet

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge
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Oct 26, 2017
60,679
none of them would lay hands on another person

if they do that's instantly losing your job, going to jail and possible law suits, your background checks at future jobs would also get fucked. You would be done for life if you raise your hands in a professional environment
Yep, the insanity of some these posts honestly. A no sensible partner would want their SO to do something so dumb. They have no bearing in reality.
 

Atom

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Jul 25, 2021
11,686
Seems genuinely remorseful about all this. Its probably been a lot more on his mind while the rest of the internet moved on. Glad he's working through things I guess.

And the memes will be eternal.


View: https://youtu.be/zDnzl6x6-Jw

The belief that "violence is never the answer" that a generation, my generation, was sold on is tailor made to benefit only two groups:

1. People operating from a position of power who no longer need to use physical force to harm others. From the beasts up at the tippy top of society on down to the monsters at the bottom satisfied with cyber bullying others into suicide. "It's just words" after all. No matter how much damage they actually do. Applying a fist to a face once with the potentiality of that continuing if the abuse continues, however, is just too fucking far for some reason.

2. People who don't give a fuck and who know the consequences for the violence they inact will be less than the consequences for their victims if they react violently. Because violence is never the answer, but the punishment doesn't have to be meted out equally. White conservative insurrectionists can attack the Capitol and return home, but diverse, left-wing protesters knock over a trash can in Seattle and the riot gear comes out.

It's a scam. The whole ideology is built on a lie from the macro scale down to the micro scale. Violence is always an answer, though rarely the best one.

So yeah, I'm of the belief that years of picking at a target for no good god damn reason topping it off with taking a shot at her at an awards show, ffor a second time, and this time about a sensitive subject earns you a fair smack in the mouth. The only mistake was not doing it in the parking lot.

The majority of people do not honestly believe that "violence is never the answer." Violence's appropriateness depends upon how they feel about its flow in any given direction. A bunch of people here offended by this are nonetheless okay with various levels of state-sanctioned violence, for example. That's partly why this whole thing is so tired. There's more interesting dialogue to be had to with regards to the sociopolitical ramifications from a Black perspective, but as BossAttack said, it's really only Black folks' business.

100%. It ties into all the peaceful protest and demonstration bullshit as well.

Strongly recommended kinda tangential reading.

In certain contexts violence is the only answer. It's the only means of actualizing change. The Oscars probably isn't that context, but people shouldn't be so quick to go to the tired adage of violence is never the answer.

It's also like...the most minor of physical altercations. A slap. Will didn't kick him to the ground and start bludgeoning him to death. But you'll have people cheering when some rando slaps Guiliani on the back I guess.

Was the slap wrong? Yeah probably. Is it incomprehensible? No. Is it something to eviscerate someone over especially with all the context? And when this is so atypical and out of character for him? Idk it feels like an overreaction to me and one can only guess at motivations of people involved.
 

Legacy

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Fiddle

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Oct 31, 2017
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Having your apology video be rediculously overproduced with 5 camera operators and dolly shots and colour correction and professional microphones is at complete odds with trying to come across as geniune lmao
 

Bonafide

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Oct 11, 2018
936
Nope. I'm not letting you pivot.

Do you think Chappelle's rhetoric against trans people is bigoted or not? Yes or no.

Yes, and it wasn't a pivot.

Physically harming him for that is still NOT justified.

...and?

I don't think anyone is arguing it's the smartest thing to do, but a world where a transphobe gets tackled is a better one than which they do not. It might not be a wise thing to do due to the consequences for you, but that's not relevant. I'm not going to clutch my pearls at someone doing it. Same with the slap. Maybe it wasn't the best option for Smith, but it was a fucking slap. He inflicted the same amount of damage as the guy who tapped Rudy Giuliani on the back.

You seem to need some real reminding that a slap or a tackle is not the same as murdering a doctor that performs abortions. I'm not sure why you would even bring that up.

The reason why I bought that up wasn't really about abortion, it was about how easily someone can frame a situation to justify physically harming someone, even when it doesn't call for it. Also, another problem that I am having with certain people in this thread are that they are willingly or unknowingly compartmentalizing what they're supporting from what they would actually do if they were put in that situation and downplaying what happened. Even you are doing it right now. It was "just" a slap, or it was just someone getting speared to the ground. When if you were or are physically attacked for your opinions (bigoted or not) you wouldnt just blow it off this nonchalantly. The dude who attacked Chappelle had a blade on him, would it be okay if the dude stabbed and killed him?
 

EdgeWilder

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Oct 25, 2017
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"This person disagrees with me so it's okay with physically harm him."

Why are people pushing this when I know the vast majority of this board is not about that life? If someone came up to you, beat you down, and walked away you wouldn't go "aw shucks, but I guess he thought I was a bad person so its cool". You're going to call the cops and press charges. Why are folks pump faking like they really want to live in an area of mindless violence?



No this is a dumb take also. People here will talk all of this toxic masculity shit but then are okay for pushing that the only way for men to settle conflict is though violence.

I know I said it should be behind closed doors also but that is part of the bullshit also.
Wait how is it a dumb take? I'm not agreeing Will shoulda have slapped him or resort to violence. But if he had to do something why do it in front of millions of white folks looking for a reason to call us savages and aren't mean to be here. Or do believe Will shoulda just smiled and took it? Honestly abit confused lol.
Apologize if I misunderstood ur whole point thought we were on same page. But far from it it seems
 

Royalan

I can say DEI; you can't.
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Oct 24, 2017
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This is problematic to me though, people getting catharsis from physical violence is extremely worrying and as some have pointed out in this thread it seems to be happening much more frequently. He admitted what he did was wrong, why are some still celebrating it and others saying he did nothing wrong?

If you don't understand why Black people, particularly a lot of Black women, might find catharsis in Will's actions while also not condoning what he did, then there's a lot of cultural context you're looking over in this conversation.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
60,679
Having your apology video be rediculously overproduced with 5 camera operators and dolly shots and colour correction and professional microphones is at complete odds with trying to come across as geniune lmao
He's been doing YT for a bit now actually.

Plus, I think the higher production is better because it shows his seriousness.

I also think it was good that he did take time off. I did apologize to Chris before. But this being his first televised appearance he wanted to reiterate that and also include others—his family, fans, Rock's family, the other Oscar winners.
 

RoninChaos

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Oct 26, 2017
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I remember at my previous job when I had to occasionally take passport photos for people. There are very specific guidelines on what is acceptable and not acceptable, as the conditions for acceptance are very strict.

One day a lady comes in with a hat on. Very friendly, and I get everything set up to take the picture.

I tell her to take off her hat because it's not allowed, and she is very reluctant to do so, asking if its okay to just leave it on, its a "special" hat. I told her that I could take the picture with her hat on, but it most likely would get denied. She then started breaking down started sobbing uncontrollably. For about 10 seconds I was dumfounded about why she was so upset about just keeping a hat on. Then it hit me.

That was legit one of the worst feelings I ever had in my life, and I never even commented (much less joked) about her appearance. That was a white lady at that.

Take that example and amplify it 10x for black women. They get chastised constantly for their hair texture, i've seen it. Considerations of marrying outside of their ethnicity so that their kids can have "that good hair". Destroying their scalp perming their hair. Don't yall remember the "nappy headed hoes" comment? Why do you think people got so upset about that? If a random person on the street said that shit about my mother, knowing what I know about what she has gone through, I absolutely could justify physical retaliation. Would I personally do it? Probably not, I'm not that type of person to fly off like that, but I'm not going to pretend that I can't see where the anger comes from. And I also don't have an issue with Will apologizing for it. As has been said many, many, many, many times in all of the threads of this incident (which have constantly gone ignored in favor of setting up a strawman of "savages condoning violence") I don't necessarily condone it, but i absolutely understand.

It's not just "words".

Agreed.

This entire situation can really be chalked up to "I might not of done that, but I understand." And I completely agree with you calling out these bullshit strawman arguments that strike me is so binary that they're almost cartoonish in how stupid they are. "If you're okay with it then you're okay with violence" or "So violence is always the answer!?" Of course not but the fact that so many people in these threads can't even fundamentally understand why Will would have reacted the way he did is fucking nuts. That same failure to even attempt to understand why Will did what he did is what made the pearl clutching by the media and everything after so much fucking worse.
 

Farmboy

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Oct 27, 2017
1,158
Pretty decent apology. Good that he mentioned Questlove specifically, though I would have liked it if he'd recognized the historic nature of his win.
 

Bonafide

Member
Oct 11, 2018
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Wait how is it a dumb take? I'm not agreeing Will shoulda have slapped him or resort to violence. But if he had to do something why do it in front of millions of white folks looking for a reason to call us savages and aren't mean to be here. Or do believe Will shoulda just smiled and took it? Honestly abit confused lol.
Apologize if I misunderstood ur whole point thought we were on same page. But far from it it seems
It could be my fault, I'm getting a bit heated. I'm saying that even behind closed doors it shouldnt go to violence.

We push violence as a conflict resolution and then get upset when men resort to violence instead of finding other ways to settle beef. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying.

If you don't understand why Black people, particularly a lot of Black women, might find catharsis in Will's actions while also not condoning what he did, then there's a lot of cultural context you're looking over in this conversation.

While I understand, as a black man, the overarching narrative of black men being crash dummies and jacking up their and their families lives is something I don't agree with.
 

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, and it wasn't a pivot.

Physically harming him for that is still NOT justified.
As a trans person we're gonna have to disagree with that he didn't deserve a tackle for his consistent transphobic bullshit.

It's also like...the most minor of physical altercations. A slap.
This is also a part of it. Equating all forms of physical contact as equivalent in harm is extremely disingenuous. Probably got folks calling the cops on toddlers having a slap fight in the sandbox.

If you don't understand why Black people, particularly a lot of Black women, might find catharsis in Will's actions while also not condoning what he did, then there's a lot of cultural context you're looking over in this conversation.
I'm gonna throw it out there as well that half the people we're talking to are less interested in genuinely responding to people, and are more interested in circling the topic to level judgement from a self-imposed high horse.
 

threi

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Oct 25, 2017
2,024
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This is problematic to me though, people getting catharsis from physical violence is extremely worrying and as some have pointed out in this thread it seems to be happening much more frequently.
People getting catharsis from physical retaliation to verbal provocation is neither difficult to understand nor uncommon.

All this "I feel like im taking crazy pills not understanding why people are ok with Chris Rock getting slapped" take is so fucking tired. There are so many threads on this forum alone, not discounting incidents you hear on the news, on social media that are examples of physical retaliation for verbal instigation.

You don't have to agree with it, and that is absolutely reasonable. But your moral stance on physical violence are not the same as everyone else's. Nobody is obligated to share the same stance, especially, when said MULTIPLE TIMES, there are layers to this incident beyond simply a slap.

I wouldn't slap someone on the street if they called me a nigger. I'm not that type of person, I know the consequences if I were to do that (hell, I've been called all but that in positions where a physical retaliation of ANY kind would lead to me immediately losing my job, which those people WEAPONIZED against me) . But I'm not going to pretend that others that would slap someone are in the wrong for thinking/doing so. Because I know the context of what the words mean, how it makes me and others feel.

Thats where I feel the disconnect is here. The context is lost on people, so they keep reverting to a surface level read of the situation at hand.
 

Scuffed

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Oct 28, 2017
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The problem for Will is that he kind of needs Chris to fully fix this. The only real way out is to meme it up with Chris in some way. This will be tough though because Chris is kind of living his best life right now and might not be so interested in repairing Will's image.

On the getting violent discussion I think you should try and avoid being physical. Obviously emotions can run high but generally speaking once you get physical it rarely works out in your favor. This is just for any impressionable people seeing all the bad asses in this thread saying "fuck around find out." That is the real privileged take because people living in reality know that if you get violent the law will generally fuck you.
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
18,153
will slapping Chris Rock into white folks' faux concern box is funny on its own

but the *discourse* that has resulted from it is predictably comedic as well
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Basing an argument or position on whether certain actions happen to be considered legal or illegal at a specific moment in history is a bad way to arrive at the truth. An enormous amount of unjust, immoral, and deeply harmful behavior and actions have been considered perfectly legal for most of history because the law was only concerned about protecting a certain class of people from a certain class of threats. And that's not even getting into modern-day / technology problems that the law has never had any conception or understanding of; stuff like revenge porn, stalking, cyberbullying, etc. The law is a not and has never been an objective barometer for morality and should not be treated as such.

Mental torment and the infliction of emotional distress is just as impactful, if not more so, particularly because it's still treated by society and the law as perfectly acceptable as long as you never 'touch someone'. If the general idea is that we should be treating physical and mental/emotional attacks proportionally to their harm, then we should expect to see equally vigorous enforcement and condemnation of non-physical violence but we never have.

The relevant question isn't about whether we're doing the right thing when it comes to resolving physical conflict, it's why we systemically fail to do the right thing when it comes to resolving non-physical conflict.
 
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Alavard

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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The reason why I bought that up wasn't really about abortion, it was about how easily someone can frame a situation to justify physically harming someone, even when it doesn't call for it. Also, another problem that I am having with certain people in this thread are that they are willingly or unknowingly compartmentalizing what they're supporting from what they would actually do if they were put in that situation and downplaying what happened. Even you are doing it right now. It was "just" a slap, or it was just someone getting speared to the ground. When if you were or are physically attacked for your opinions (bigoted or not) you wouldnt just blow it off this nonchalantly. The dude who attacked Chappelle had a blade on him, would it be okay if the dude stabbed and killed him?

I blow this off nonchalantly because on a scale of 1-100 of how bad an act the slap was, it's low enough that I don't care. It's the same with Chapelle. In a world where trans people are having rights stripped away and murdered, someone tackling him doesn't really register to me. As for how I'd feel if he's actually stabbed? Well, we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

I sincerely don't believe that the mere fact that this was physical crosses some line of 'badness' that words can't also rise to.

Of course I don't want to be slapped or tackled. But I'm also not exactly engaging in the same actions Chapelle or even Rock are, and if someone does do those things to me, it won't be because I didn't shed a tear when Chris Rock was slapped. Saying that it doesn't bother me that Rock was slapped after years of bullying Jada and specifically after he produced a movie about black women's hair is not the same as saying anyone should just slap or tackle anyone on any perceived slight.
 

Dalek

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Tamahagene

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I don't understand a lot of "progressive" perspectives on this as a black man.
On one hand it's just a slap as has always been my stance and not all actions of violence are a " mortal sin" or whatever pearl clutcher's and punitive people would have you think; plus there was an absurd level of projection of people's own experiences onto their's/making baseless assumptions of Will as an abusive man within his family rather than someone clearly cracking under pressure/mental duress.
Everything above bothered me.
On the other hand how can people condemn "toxic masculinity" and talk of the insecurity/ego of men putting their frustration in front of their partners suffering leading to embarrassing moments as this slap clearly was and then condone his actual assault as some sort of chivalric act?
It just doesn't pass the "words as an act of violence" bar and when statistically some of the grossest acts of violence are either instigated/instrumented by female parties and in a lot of cases due to slights of some sort- there shouldn't be any "wife man" nonsense in supporting of proxy-violence unprompted by a partner or prompted.
This feels like another example of people picking and choosing what progressive tenants to uphold and conflating Will's blackness with any and all aversion to him slapping a man for a joke that isn't far off from any of the appearance based attacks/jokes the average person would make (that I don't make) and that even seemingly left-leaning people make against people they deem worthy of attacking for qualities outside of the their control.
And the idea of Chris having used his pulpit as a comedian to pick on Jada specifically for years is a stretch amongst stretches.
At the end of the day it was just GI Jane- misyogynior or whatever other examples of black women being perpetually put upon you can make.
 

TrAcEr_x90

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Oct 27, 2017
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Good on Will. I don't think the slap was anything more than Jadas mental abuse on the man. If celebs can't handle being roasted by a comedian then the Oscar's shouldn't hire one to host. If people can't handle the artistic form of comedians pushing limits then they shouldn't go to shows. Simple as that.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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In some ways, that might help Will. The more Chris goes on the older it gets, the more annoying he becomes.

And Chris is really good at being annoying.
Is Chris "Going on" about this? Because he mentions it at the beginning of his standup act now saying he's not going to talk about it now-but he's ok. And then he brought it up one time recently when asked in public and he said he was ok-and went back to work the next day.
www.npr.org

Will Smith apologizes to Chris Rock, this time in video

The Oscar winner had released a written apology earlier, but this time posted one on YouTube. He said his behavior, striking Rock in response to a joke, was unacceptable.
Earlier this week, Rock reportedly addressed the slap during his standup show in New Jersey. "Anyone who says words hurt has never been punched in the face," Rock reportedly joked, adding that he wasn't a victim and shook it off. "I don't go to the hospital for a papercut."
He only brings it up briefly when asked but just says he's ok and he's moved on.

So I don't understand this narrative that Chris Rock is running around talking about this going on and on. Maybe you can help correct me and link me to some examples?
 

Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
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I've been bullied like hell (overweight and ginger) when I was younger and my parents kept saying that violence wasn't the answer, I always believe that but now that I'm older I wouldn't say the same things to my kids, thinking that they would eventually stop never really worked for me.

That being said, i'm not sure If I approve of what Will did, ok he was protecting his wife but at the same time the whole thing was set as a joke + they are two grown adults in a public setting, pretty sure that talking to him after the show would have done the same thing.

The problem is that encouraging your kids to resort to violence is a dangerous game. If they publicly fuck someone up they might be left alone, but they also may be ostracized. There may be consequences from the school, fair or not. And if they lose the fight the bullying may get worse, and that definitely isn't going to be great for their self esteem.

There's like one good outcome (they mess up their bully enough that they back off, but no one gets seriously hurt and your kid doesn't come out looking bad in any way) and any number of bad ones.
 
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Is Chris "Going on" about this? Because he mentions it at the beginning of his standup act now saying he's not going to talk about it now-but he's ok. And then he brought it up one time recently when asked in public and he said he was ok-and went back to work the next day.
www.npr.org

Will Smith apologizes to Chris Rock, this time in video

The Oscar winner had released a written apology earlier, but this time posted one on YouTube. He said his behavior, striking Rock in response to a joke, was unacceptable.

He only brings it up briefly when asked but just says he's ok and he's moved on.

So I don't understand this narrative that Chris Rock is running around talking about this going on and on. Maybe you can help correct me and link me to some examples?
Probably because the most memorable part of Chappelle getting attacked on stage was Chris Rock asking, "Was that Will Smith?"
 

threi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its more that telling your kids "violence is never the answer" or "slap the shit out of anyone who tries you" is a basic thing to say to kids because understanding nuance is something that comes with age and experience, and neither is something grown adults should live by.
 

Good4Squat

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Nov 2, 2017
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Looks like a man in a lot of pain, hope he is getting the help he needs.
Slapping people like he did is clearly the wrong thing to do, utterly bizarre that so many people here condone it.
If that is how you solve problems in your life, I'm glad I'm not around you lol.
 

Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
8,191
I feel like people are reacting way too strongly about this in both directions.

You shouldn't physically assault someone because they made a joke you don't agree with. Did Will do something wrong? Ya. Should he face some kind of consequence for his actions? Of course. People claiming he did nothing wrong are kind of being naïve.

But people acting like they are deeply traumatized and scarred for having witnessed such a heinous act are mind numbingly dumb. He shouldn't be banned from the Oscars, he shouldn't lose out on roles and he shouldn't have to return his award. People claiming he should do any of the former are dramatically overreacting.

Chris Rock is a comedian. Being assaulted in public ON CAMERA over a joke he told is legitimately his best case scenario. Will gave him an entire opening act. That alone should be penance enough.

Who's acting like they're deeply traumatized or scarred? Nearly all of the criticism I've seen is along the lines of "He shouldn't have done that" or "You should never resort to violence" or stuff along those lines. I don't believe I've seen anyone claim they were personally traumatized by seeing it.
 

egg

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
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Having your apology video be rediculously overproduced with 5 camera operators and dolly shots and colour correction and professional microphones is at complete odds with trying to come across as geniune lmao

There's literally nothing wrong with his setup good lord. The man has a team that helps him make personal videos all the time, his is literally nothing new. Is he supposed to upload some shitty cellphone quality youtube video with extra dramatic lighting? It's not like hes promoting his return as an appearance on some talk show to make his peace. I'm not even at his level but as a video editor myself If I'm going to release a video regardless of the subject that shit is going to look good regardless especially if I already have a team to help me do so. Somehow being presentable and professional comes across as not being genuine to you?
 

Surakian

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Oct 27, 2017
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Its more that telling your kids "violence is never the answer" or "slap the shit out of anyone who tries you" is a basic thing to say to kids because understanding nuance is something that comes with age and experience, and neither is something grown adults should live by.
Looking at this thread, there are likely a number of adults taught that violence isn't the answer and never learned the nuances in between that.
 

totowhoa

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Oct 25, 2017
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This was a fantastic apology, even if both it and the drama were unnecessary. Hope he and his family can get past it.
 

Clay

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Oct 29, 2017
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The problem for Will is that he kind of needs Chris to fully fix this. The only real way out is to meme it up with Chris in some way. This will be tough though because Chris is kind of living his best life right now and might not be so interested in repairing Will's image.

On the getting violent discussion I think you should try and avoid being physical. Obviously emotions can run high but generally speaking once you get physical it rarely works out in your favor. This is just for any impressionable people seeing all the bad asses in this thread saying "fuck around find out." That is the real privileged take because people living in reality know that if you get violent the law will generally fuck you.

Does he though? I don't know, maybe I'm just out of touch with the general public but I have a really hard time believing that any significant number of people would refuse to watch a movie he's in because of the slap. The story went through the 24 hour news cycle, it gave various content creators fodder for a few days, but I really don't think 99% of people really care enough for it to actually affect their behavior.

Like did that marriage discussion Will and Jada made public for whatever reason have an impact on King Richard's box office earnings? I really doubt it.

People will bring this up again whenever Will is in another movie, but it's not like anything he stars in is destined to bomb until Chris Rock gives his blessing for people to see his movies again.

There's literally nothing wrong with his setup good lord. The man has a team that helps him make personal videos all the time, his is literally nothing new. Is he supposed to upload some shitty cellphone quality youtube video with extra dramatic lighting? It's not like hes promoting his return as an appearance on some talk show to make his peace. I'm not even at his level but as a video editor myself If I'm going to release a video regardless of the subject that shit is going to look good regardless especially if I already have a team to help me do so. Somehow being presentable and professional comes across as not being genuine to you?

I personally don't have an issue with the presentation, but it's obvious that for some people it can seem inauthentic because it feels more planned and manufactured. People see the time spent making it look good, editing, planning a shoot, etc and wonder if the entire thing is scripted, if there's a writer on the team to handle the dialogue, if multiple takes were shot to capture just the right tone and facial expressions...

Again, not saying I have an issue with any of that, but it's clear why some people would feel it's not as genuine as a more off-the-cuff style.
 

Isilia

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He did what he felt he had to do.

My opinion on the matter doesn't matter.

I'm sure not going to call that slap violence, though.