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Will increasing competition force Valve to make Those Games again?
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It's a pretty open secret that they're making Half Life VR to go along with the VR hardware they're making. I'm sure there will be a lot of salty reactions to the announcement.
Of course they could always cancel it but I don't think it will happen. Newell has talked about their VR games too much and they need a killer app for their hardware.
Of course they could always cancel it but I don't think it will happen. Newell has talked about their VR games too much and they need a killer app for their hardware.
Valve just released Artifact. They also acquired Campo Santo and rehired some of their previous writers. This is clearly them feeling the pressure of the strong competition Epic is imposing.
Even though all of those things happened months before Tim Sweeney decided to turn PC Gaming into a pseudo console market, I know they are the cause and Gaben can't fool me.
Even though all of those things happened months before Tim Sweeney decided to turn PC Gaming into a pseudo console market, I know they are the cause and Gaben can't fool me.
Some are, some are not. Eric Wolpaw in example returned to Valve early this year, while he left in 2017. He's the co-writer for Half-Life 2 and Portal. Jay Pinkerton who left at the same time as Wolpaw, also returned last year. He wrote for Portal 2. Mark Laidlaw, the lead writer for Half-Life however, hasn't returned. He released the "fanfic" for Half-Life 3 after departing.
It's so weird to me that only Valve seems to have this perception issue, especially when there are now direct comparisons between them and Epic.
Hasn't the Unreal series of games been dormant almost exactly the same amount of time as Half Life, with the newest one officially having development halted in order to pour resources into Fortnite?
Hasn't the Unreal series of games been dormant almost exactly the same amount of time as Half Life, with the newest one officially having development halted in order to pour resources into Fortnite?
It's not weird, it's just posters and press rehashing the same tired shitty memes without informations.
It's funny how Epic is making games by moneyhatting games 2 weeks before release and killing off Paragon/UT for Fortnite when Valve isn't when they buy a new studio and release new games.
So you think it's just purposeful trolling? If that is the case, I guess I should stop giving any benefit of doubt.
That does seem more plausible than a group of concerned and dedicated fans of a classic PC FPS series bemoaning Valve's shift to be a platform holder and GAAS provider, while at the same time celebrating Epic following the same route to the detriment of their own classic PC FPS series.
They could hire some other studio to make games for them. I don't see Valve themselves making a big game from scratch ever again considering how the company works.
And don't forget, they sold off one of their recent big IPs in Gears of War. Imagine if Valve did that.
So Epic has halted development on all other games except Fortnite, collects money on UE licenses and inexplicably decided on opening a storefront of all things.
Valve hasn't been That Company since the mid Oughties. It's possible that even if they feel enough pressure to want to return to that state, their coherent structure is built on the big revenue from Steam. That comes from dominance, presumably, and all the Half-Lifes in the world might fail to crutch Valve if Steam collapsed as a market titan.
So hopefully they can make some cool game before that happens.
So hopefully they can make some cool game before that happens.
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As much as I want Portal 3 and Half Life 3, I don't think it will happen at this point, which sucks.
I think their main teams focus is on the VR software and hardware. I wouldnt be surprised if the hardware is mostly done (we've seen leaks of pretty feature complete headsets) and the knuckles controllers are also really close.
I also think they have been working on "games" like you mentioned, but Valve is incredibly picky when it comes to its releases and the quality of the product.
I doubt competition will make them change. Competition from EA, Blizzard and Ubisoft didn't really make them change. Epic Games Launcher has the same inherent flaw that all these other game launchers have. Who uses Origin, or Ubisofts launcher, or Blizzards social options outside of when you play those games? Steam will always be able to sell games because it will be the primary default store launcher 99% of the time.
The biggest competition to Steam imo is discord, and it will take them years to be able to get enough investments to possibly try and compete.
I also think they have been working on "games" like you mentioned, but Valve is incredibly picky when it comes to its releases and the quality of the product.
I doubt competition will make them change. Competition from EA, Blizzard and Ubisoft didn't really make them change. Epic Games Launcher has the same inherent flaw that all these other game launchers have. Who uses Origin, or Ubisofts launcher, or Blizzards social options outside of when you play those games? Steam will always be able to sell games because it will be the primary default store launcher 99% of the time.
The biggest competition to Steam imo is discord, and it will take them years to be able to get enough investments to possibly try and compete.
It's more likely that Auto Chess will get bought and turned into a fully fledged product than another Half-Life or Portal coming out. Which is fine with me, cuz I love Auto Chess.
Some of it is purposeful trolling, a lot of it is ignorance, contrarianism, console players who don't have a stake in the PC ecosystem just chiming in with hot takes, people blinded by the FUD of the likes of Galyonkin and Jim Sterling (who again, gains more money the more shit he stirs). Most of these are still not worth engaging with, because they're not here to actually discuss these things, just shit on Valve because they don't really care to begin with. I know this sounds like I'm framing everyone I disagree with as completely wrong bad actors, but I've been enough of these types of threads that I know that there's just no reaching some people, no matter how many facts you confront them with.
I've given up a long time ago on Valve ever making games I want to play anymore.
I just don't play multi-player games anymore and that's all they seem interested in making. Them Getting into VR was the last glimmer of hope to get something I care about from them, but even that they seem to have largely moved on from in terms of their own games.
The Half-life Episode 3 story leak from a while back was enough closure for me on that series, and as much as I love Portal 1+2 I at least thought Portal 2's ending was enough that I wasn't left begging for a sequel, plus the creation tools mean I can still play new Portal content if I want.
I just don't play multi-player games anymore and that's all they seem interested in making. Them Getting into VR was the last glimmer of hope to get something I care about from them, but even that they seem to have largely moved on from in terms of their own games.
The Half-life Episode 3 story leak from a while back was enough closure for me on that series, and as much as I love Portal 1+2 I at least thought Portal 2's ending was enough that I wasn't left begging for a sequel, plus the creation tools mean I can still play new Portal content if I want.
I became a valve fan specifically becuase of portal 1 and 2 and then they retired from making games so that was short lived
I'm over it at this piont
I'm over it at this piont
Valve is losing sources of revenue from the biggest and most critically anticipated games not going to their store.
1 first party game isn't going to make up 10 third party games.
The only way Valve can salvage this is find new ways to make their platform more attractive for 3rd parties.
I think their strongest possible move is to create a system where mods can be monetized and that way the original devs can get a cut from mods being sold on Steam.
1 first party game isn't going to make up 10 third party games.
The only way Valve can salvage this is find new ways to make their platform more attractive for 3rd parties.
I think their strongest possible move is to create a system where mods can be monetized and that way the original devs can get a cut from mods being sold on Steam.
i dunno, would HL3 or whatever hypothetical "return to form" Valve game really do anything to curb users migrating over to Epic or whatever? not really sure it would in the gist of things. maybe if they became nintendo essentially and released like 20 'exclusives' a year or something
Nope, Valve is big enough of a company to have foreseen this. If they could prevent losing games to other services without paying up they would have done it already.
And people are already too invested in Steam to stop using it.
Valve making games again won't change anything.
And people are already too invested in Steam to stop using it.
Valve making games again won't change anything.
I think Valve really missed an opportunity not hiring the Pavlov VR guys to make it into an official Counter-Strike VR game.
No lied detected. Artifact counts as a game. It flopped, but still counts.
They tried this and got a ton of backlash, and backed out on it...
It still is their best move as long as they desire to maintain their current percentage cut.
Ultimately they have to think of ideas that helps increase revenue for 3rd parties over what currently happens on Steam.
Lol at people choosing Option 3. Valve already announced they have three "full", probably AAA games in development.
Even if that was bullshit shareholder promises, at least one of those games will definitely release
Also I endorse the use of the phrase "Those Games" in the thread title
Even if that was bullshit shareholder promises, at least one of those games will definitely release
Also I endorse the use of the phrase "Those Games" in the thread title
Valve gets perception issues because their best games hit a much wider audience here than Epic's.
Also because Artifact came out recently and bombed into the core of the Earth.
Yes, it does sound like that.
I'd love to watch gamers across the net as their minds twist and bend during their attempts to reconcile Half-Life 3 as both a 'AAA game' and 'a VR exclusive'
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I don't think most people would dispute that if the VR games are actually fully fleshed out games, and not just minigame collections