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Poll: Will Gamepass be on Playstation 5 sometime during this generation?
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Yeah, MS is with this whole ''We want you to play where you want!''(And it's true) but this doesn't mean they want to be seen as a simple third party publisher, XBOX as a brand still needs to be its own thing and putting several/most of their games on a competitor platform is the opposite of that.
I don't see how it makes sense for either party, honestly. I can't see Sony wanting another platform holder's subscription on their platform; for one, the games in Game Pass that aren't Xbox exclusive will already be on Playstation and generating licensing fees for Sony. So they wouldn't really be interested in having those games come to their platform via GP instead (even if they were getting 30% of GP subs on PS).
On the MS side... if the average consumer had a choice between getting an Xbox that offers most 3P stuff plus all MS 1P stuff, or a Playstation that offers most 3P stuff, all PS 1P stuff *and* all MS 1P stuff... who would buy an Xbox? Only the most diehard Xbox fans would stick with the platform, their hardware market share would plummet, and they'd lose a ton of the 3P licensing income from millions of Xbox console owners making the switch, as well as accessory sales and a big chunk of all the subscription stuff - not just GP, but XBL Gold, too.
I just don't see how it makes sense for anyone, really.
On the MS side... if the average consumer had a choice between getting an Xbox that offers most 3P stuff plus all MS 1P stuff, or a Playstation that offers most 3P stuff, all PS 1P stuff *and* all MS 1P stuff... who would buy an Xbox? Only the most diehard Xbox fans would stick with the platform, their hardware market share would plummet, and they'd lose a ton of the 3P licensing income from millions of Xbox console owners making the switch, as well as accessory sales and a big chunk of all the subscription stuff - not just GP, but XBL Gold, too.
I just don't see how it makes sense for anyone, really.
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OK, but he didn't go back on what he said on Crossplay, once Sony said they would allow it, that's the point. If he was honest about that, the same thing applies to allowing crossplay on Playstation. In the end I expect this to happen because of the amount of pressure Sony will receive from Playstation owners, once they realize Sony is the one that is blocking the service. Once Microsoft announces that most of their games will be exclusive to the Xbox ecosystem, that should move a lot of Playstation owners to ask Sony why they don't allow Gamepass.
And all Sony has to say is "because it would destroy our business". They benefit massively less from Game Pass than Microsoft would, and Microsoft knows that. It's simply a bad deal for them to be part of.
Sony is a hardware company so the amount of hardware they shift will be way more important to them than it would have for MS.For sure, the idea here is not for Microsoft to put Gamepass on Playstation for free. It has to be a revenue stream for Sony too. Microsoft has made it clear that their focus this generation is having players on their ecosystem, not selling consoles. By them saying that they are open to putting Gamepass on Playstation, they are putting pressure on Sony to say something about it. Once Playstation owners realize that the only thing stopping Gamepass from being on their console is Sony, then there will be a lot of feedback from them to Sony.
"As the Xbox Series X and Series S are released, Microsoft gaming chief Phil Spencer says the next games generation is all about how many players you have, not how many consoles you shift"
Xbox's Phil Spencer: 'We're not driven by how many consoles we sell'
As the Xbox Series X and Series S are released, Microsoft gaming chief Phil Spencer says the next games generation is all about how many players you have, not how many consoles you shiftwww.theguardian.com
End of the day I see GP pushing PS5's or at least prevents its market share from shrinking, because now you won't need two consoles which is ideal for Sony. Also Jim Ryan can give 2 shits about how the fan base feels, he is not staying awake at night worried about what cacafacegmr1998 thinks about what he brings to PS or not.
No but Sony will have their own game pass by the end of the generation. Whatever they have now will get relaunched.
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They can have both. They can make money by selling a console that offers a good value and by also allowing other consoles to access their games.
Phil Spencer: " I love the Switch, I love PlayStation, honestly, I think they've done an amazing job as being a part of this industry. I'm not sure that those are the next big set of users for us, but we could be open to those discussions."
Phil Spencer: 'We're not driven by how many consoles we sell'
Yes, no, maybe.
Seeing that EA Play is already on Playstation, I don't think Sony are strictly against having additional subscriptions on it. Even if that is from Xbox. They are just another partner anyways. Just maybe they need to find a common ground that both are comfortable with.
Seeing that EA Play is already on Playstation, I don't think Sony are strictly against having additional subscriptions on it. Even if that is from Xbox. They are just another partner anyways. Just maybe they need to find a common ground that both are comfortable with.
Probably something like this.
PSNow, other than the lack of day 1 first party releases is pretty solid. The PS3 streaming tech is pretty solid on PS5 and the download as you stream for the PS4 stuff is pretty great too.
If MS pulls out of the Xbox hardware business I'd say we're headed towards an ultra slim chance it could actually show up on there. There's really no incentive tbh. If Sony want GP the logical solution is make their own so they can reap the profits instead of their competitor.
Lmao. You expect that? Really? Bruh you are not gonna see anything but a very small vocal minority of PS owners asking for gamepass on their consoles, if even that. It doesn't really offer much over PS Now and PS+ aside from MS first party.
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The thing with that is that Microsoft is OK with that. Their main focus is selling Gamepass subscriptions. Just like they are OK with you not buying an Xbox and accessing Gamepass through your PC or smartphone, they are OK with allowing Gamepass on other consoles. At that point the Playstation is just another PC where they can make money from. Did Sony gave 2 shits when their gamers said they wanted them to allow crossplay?
Microsoft has referred to itself as a 'big publisher' on Sony/Nintendo platforms, already.
The new strategy is a recognition that it's simply unlikely Xbox hardware will ever upend marketshares to the get the kind of reach they want on its own.
You can say that this is what xcloud and phones are for, but converting and onboarding new consumers in the generic and streaming spaces is a relative mountain to climb vs, theoretically, the conversion rate that could be achieved on other gaming platforms with an already primed audience. If MS could easily get Gamepass onto PS/Nintendo today, they'd pounce on the opportunity.
Microsoft is maneuvering to become a mega-publisher - IMO one outcome of that that's being eyed is getting themselves into a situation where they can negotiate for favourable access to other platforms for their sub. As EA did with Access etc. Of course the counter is the disintermediation of other platform holders for non-MS content, and what scale that operates at. That's the tricky bit, but it's not unfathomable that terms could be reached.
But it depends a lot on how things shake out. But I don't think the idea of subs becoming more platform agnostic is something anyone is ruling out, mid to longer term. Within this gen? Not sure. However, if and as the publishing space consolidates, this is something every platform holder that's dealt with and leveraged a more fractured third party space will have to address, not just a MS specific thing. Super-publishers - a small number of pubs covering a lot of IP - will hold a lot of power vs before, and may well want their own little direct-to-consumer footprint on platforms.
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Two different scenarios where being "open to everything" wins.
Crossplay: Sony either caves and Phil looks like the good guy, or Sony doesn't cave and Phil looks like the good guy. It's only work for third party developers if Sony allows it, so what does Phil care? He wins no matter what. End result: Sony caved, it cost him nothing.
Gamepass on PS5: Never going to happen, and Phil knows it, but he gets to sound like the good guy. It costs him nothing but a few words out of his mouth.
He's good at PR. It is known.
Phil Spencer will say whatever he needs to in order to get positive PR for Microsoft and make himself look like the good guy. If he can make his competition look worse in the process he'll do that too. Being "open to discussions" or saying "the ball's in [Sony/Nintendo]'s court" sounds nice because it's a statement you never actually have to back up with evidence and it makes your competitor look like the bad guy for not entertaining it, even if you have no intention of following through on your end.
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I guess you were one of the people that said Sony would never allow crossplay, because Playstation owners didn't care to play with Xbox owners?
Erm, no, this would, basically, be allowing a 3rd party store on PlayStation. Good luck with that.
Because I have heard some say it shouldnt go on rival platforms at all, which is silly considering IOS and Android, it is a remnant of the old platform locking down way of thinking.
I should have said "some" of my xbox friends because yeah, that outdated way of thinking isnt everyone.
I made a thread on this last year I think and there were some saying they wouldnt like to see it on rival consoles if I remember correctly.🤷♂️
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What matters in the end is if it's true or not. Just like he didn't go back on what he said on regards to crossplay, once Sony gave in, I don't expect for him to do it if Sony says they will allow GP on their console. The thing is that this won't happen because Phil said anything, this will happen because gamers will realize they can have GP on Playstation, but Sony is the one that is not allowing it. We should see at some point in the future Sony addressing directly Phil comments on being open to GP on Playstation. Some reporter will ask the question at some point.
ofc they did cause cross play help their business they just had fools in marketing at Sony at the time. My point is if it's makes them money no forum user is going to prevent GP on PS.
No, I never said Sony wouldn't cave on crossplay. I also don't see what that has to do with gamepass. Two different things. Your problem is blindly believing everything that Phil Spencer says.
Yes.
Modified GP with ms first party stuff and no third party.
Ms ll get millions of new subs and Sony ll get millions $ for their share. I mean whats s there to lose for both? It benefits both. They have tens of million loyal fans who ll buy their console no matter what.
Both wants to grow with revenue and they wont get there with old models. Theres cap for console market. Also sony ll start putting its exclusives on pc after some period of exclusivity. More money for everyone.
Modified GP with ms first party stuff and no third party.
Ms ll get millions of new subs and Sony ll get millions $ for their share. I mean whats s there to lose for both? It benefits both. They have tens of million loyal fans who ll buy their console no matter what.
Both wants to grow with revenue and they wont get there with old models. Theres cap for console market. Also sony ll start putting its exclusives on pc after some period of exclusivity. More money for everyone.
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GP is not a store it's a subscription service. No one is saying that Sony will allow GP on Playstation consoles for free, of course they will make a comercial agreement.
Nobody is going to care as much as you think they will. And it isn't going to be hard for Sony to explain why it doesn't make sense for their business to let Microsoft give third party games away on their console and reap all the benefits from that at Sony's expense.
Only way I see it is if the service on PS5 only has Xbox Game Studios Games and those same games are also available for individual purchase on PSN.
Then Xbox is just like any third party publisher and they have a service like EA Access on Playstation.
Then Xbox is just like any third party publisher and they have a service like EA Access on Playstation.
The difference between crossplay and allowing a competitor to sell a subscription including 3rd party games that you are already trying to sell a la carte and take a 30% cut... well, I hope you can see it. It is not the same calculus to put it extremely mildly.
I am starting to see why, MS only gamepass is a hard sell because for one for it to get any traction you would need to massport MS backcatalogue and the only draw to get and retain new users would be MS new releases, which, for as much as they are scaling up, will be impossible to output multiple games per month.
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OK and what was your reasoning for saying that Sony would allow crossplay? I very much the reasoning behind some people saying it would never happen, and it was something like "Sony will never allow crossplay, it doesn't make any sense for them to share their player base with Nintendo and Xbox." What happened after that? I don't need to blindly believe anything, did Phil Spencer changed his mind on crossplay once Sony allowed it?
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It doesn't have to be a 30% cut, there are all kinds of agreements they could make where both could make money. GP could even be something that only has Microsoft first party games on Playstation and gamers would subscribe by the millions. By Sony allowing GP it would for sure increase the PS sales and Sony does seem to care much more about selling consoles than Microsoft is. Microsoft has repeatedly said that selling consoles is not their priority, they know they can make a lot more money with millions of subscribers to GP.
Alucardx23 Would this commercial agreement you speak of include third party gamepass content or only MS games?
It is a deal breaker anyway for native games.
Or do you possibly mean xcloud only on playstation?
It is a deal breaker anyway for native games.
Or do you possibly mean xcloud only on playstation?
I doubt it, but I guess nothing's impossible now that sony is more open to putting their games on PC.
I think Sony would be open to it if Microsoft got out of the hardware business. Short of that, it's a very different situation from EA.
That should be Jim Ryan's response if asked about this. "We'd love to work with Microsoft as one of our third party vendors instead of as a competitor."
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This is basically the same reasoning behind why Sony would never allow Crossplay. "Nobody cares about crossplay", "All my friends have a Playstation", "They could give me the option and I would say no to crossplay.", "Why should Sony share their player base with Microsoft?"
I mean, if things got to that point Sony might as well make their own Game Pass.
Either that or Microsoft just go third party.
Either that or Microsoft just go third party.