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Will any other Indie game touch Hollow Knight in terms of quality... Ever?
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Different genres and all, but indie games like Cuphead, Inside, Minecraft (used to be an indie, after all) or Rocket League have at least as much polish and quality that Hollow Knight has. Hollow Knight is a great game but it's nowhere near an untouchable masterpiece that no other indie ever came close to.
Ori has higher production values (if we're talking budget) than HK, but I realise that it being funded and published by Microsoft might make it exempt from the indie category in some people's eyes. There's also Cuphead.
But what about games like The Witness, The Talos Principle, QUBE2 etc - they have extremely high production values for indie games and 3D no less.
But then it's not fair to discount games like FEZ or Celeste, which have insanely high production values which are ignored by some due to their pixel art style. But every single pixel has been carefully hand-placed, the sound design and music better than most AAA games.
But what about games like The Witness, The Talos Principle, QUBE2 etc - they have extremely high production values for indie games and 3D no less.
But then it's not fair to discount games like FEZ or Celeste, which have insanely high production values which are ignored by some due to their pixel art style. But every single pixel has been carefully hand-placed, the sound design and music better than most AAA games.
Hollow Knight is great.
There are indie games that are many times better. There have been indie games that are many times better released since Hollow Knight.
Really looking forward to the sequel.
There are indie games that are many times better. There have been indie games that are many times better released since Hollow Knight.
Really looking forward to the sequel.
On an artisitc and gameplay level Ori and the Blind Forest surpasses it and the sequel will as well no doubt. (For me anyway)
Cuphead is another. And Inside. Fuck, i could go on and on.
Return of the Obra Dinn
Journey
Issac
Undertale
The Stanley Parable
Hotline Miami
I will stop there.
Cuphead is another. And Inside. Fuck, i could go on and on.
Return of the Obra Dinn
Journey
Issac
Undertale
The Stanley Parable
Hotline Miami
I will stop there.
For god sake...what's with all the hyperbolic threads on era lately? "This is the greatest intro song/game/music/ of all time"
Hollow Knight is great, I don't love it as much as some in era do but its a fantastic title all round with great art, animations design and music. The devs clearly have a huge amount of talent and i'm looking forward to the next title but there are a lot of other games before and after that are also great made by talented people that are also of high quality, Hollow Knight is not an some inaccessible pedestal.
These people understand.
Hollow Knight is great, I don't love it as much as some in era do but its a fantastic title all round with great art, animations design and music. The devs clearly have a huge amount of talent and i'm looking forward to the next title but there are a lot of other games before and after that are also great made by talented people that are also of high quality, Hollow Knight is not an some inaccessible pedestal.
These people understand.
For goodness sake, HK is like the indie Bloodborne; the second coming according to ERA.
The Messenger is way more fun.
True.
The Messenger is way more fun.
True.
People are more than welcome to think shovel knight is better. I couldn't disagree more, but hey opinions.
However, how is shovel knight cheaper lol? It costs $25 and is notably shorter than hollow knight at $15.
I'd also personally argue HK does almost all of those things you listed(varied world, bosses, music) better than SK. Gameplay is a bit harder to directly compare to one another though.
HK isn't the be all end all, and feels like when people start talking about Bloodborne. They're good games, but to keep them in this super high pedastal is odd to me.
Bit of a daft thread to be honest. The implication that Hollow Knight is the greatest indie game yet made is ridiculous as the term indie game is so broad as to be pretty much pointless. Just as Spelunky is an indie game so is Star Citizen!
I agree - I have never, ever, seen this quality from an indie dev. I doubt we will see Hollow knight quality from other many indie devs in the future Hollow Knight is comparable to Nintendos BEST stuff in pretty much every area - which is frankly just astonishing
In my view, not really. I consider hollow knight a genuine masterpiece - I can find other great games but I doubt I'll ever or at least take a dew years to stumble upon another masterpiece like it. But hey silksong might prove me wrong from the getgo which I'd love to see :)
= Witcher 3 fans = Zelda fans = The Last of Us fans = Persona fans = Nier fans = ...
Thread titles like these poison the discussion. Besides, it's not even the best game in the genre imo.
I quite like them, because they always turn into pages of "No, THIS is the best one". They're better recommendation threads than actual recommendation threads.
Ha! Yes I guess that is one way of looking at it lol. I must admit on the music ones I have found great tracks from games I don't really have any interest in so you have a point XD
Not really. You don't see threads about those games being above and beyond all other games, with that definitive stance.
Yeah sure. Even if you feel that strongly about it OP you gotta believe that it is always possible, espeically considering Hollow Knight itself was an indie game that came out of nowhere.
Dude I have no idea.
Dude I have no idea.
The real scary thing is when you come to this thread ready to find some gems from the people upset in this thread. Then you realize you've played all the games suggested already. :/
I love Hollow Knight, but there are plenty of indie games I'd put above it.
I think my favourite is Gunpoint, which barely gets mentioned - it's fantastic, everyone should play it
I think my favourite is Gunpoint, which barely gets mentioned - it's fantastic, everyone should play it
If they achieved it, surely some other dev can do the same or top it. Never say never.
I do know that HK completely skewed my expectations of price versus content in indie games.
I do know that HK completely skewed my expectations of price versus content in indie games.
Since OP is pushing his opinion as fact we should put forth mass opinion
games like Celeste, Obra Dinn, Undertale etc have a higher metascore
games like Celeste, Obra Dinn, Undertale etc have a higher metascore
Came here to ask this. Do you guys consider Cuphead and Ori indies or first-party titles?
Because if so, Ori in particular has way better and more varied environments and the platforming is just more fluid and fun. Also the game has better music but that's subject to personal taste.
In terms of combat and longevity, though, Hollow Knight is the bigger game.
I think I will always be partial to Ori in the end.
This is gonna sound so fucking stupid, but Hollow Knight is the Dark Souls of indie games.
I know I know, hear me out.
Many people will remember the moment they finished dark souls and thought, well fuck, now I'm spoiled, and the subsequent months and maybe years of following other games were always accompanied by the thought, this game looks cool, but it's not Dark Souls. Not even dark souls 2 was dark souls.
So Hollow Knight is the same, I look at other indie games that look awesome, like Indivisible and think: this game looks awesome, but it's just not Hollow Knight.
I know I know, hear me out.
Many people will remember the moment they finished dark souls and thought, well fuck, now I'm spoiled, and the subsequent months and maybe years of following other games were always accompanied by the thought, this game looks cool, but it's not Dark Souls. Not even dark souls 2 was dark souls.
So Hollow Knight is the same, I look at other indie games that look awesome, like Indivisible and think: this game looks awesome, but it's just not Hollow Knight.
Not to shit on HK's quality, but I think the game's price has influenced such hyperbolic opinions more than a little. HK's bang for buck value is crazy and frankly unprecedented. Lack of exaggerated hype and expectations prior to launch also must have fueled people's enthusiasms compared to other indies that promised something way too hard to maintain.
HK is good and an absolute steal at that price, but I don't see myself returning to the game very often.
HK is good and an absolute steal at that price, but I don't see myself returning to the game very often.
But Shovel Knight is a much better game and Hollow Knight doesn't come anywhere close to Celeste even if we're only talking about indie games released on the Switch in 2018. There's no reason to throw out such over the top, hyperbolic statements that effectively serve the purpose of devaluing other titles. Fanboy rhetoric like this is unneeded and helps no one